Do people really miss playing against Hag? Seriously?
If you are going to write an answer, please read what you wrote first, thx. Recently there is a reddit post and in the comments there is a lot of people defending Hag saying "Hag is fun" or "I'll miss Hag" or "Hag is fine" etc. I'm not saying Hag is op but she is the one of the most boring killer in DbD. I think players haven't played against a Hag for so long that they've forgotten how boring it is to play against her. I mean playing against a good Hag is equally boring as playing against a bad Hag. (In SoloQ) Hag is most boring to play against killer for me because:
1) You can't loop her because she can make a spot usesless basicly putting a trap. Also a good hag doesn't even chase you if she isn't pushing you into her traps. So only interaction with Hag is when you trigger her traps and get hit. And that takes away almost all of the fun out of playing survivor.
2) Hag's basekit is perfect for camping. All Hag's puts few traps around hooked surv. The survivor who came to help his friend needs to be careful and needs to crouch so as not trigger traps. In this situation if hag decide to camp and tunel she doesn't even need to close the hooked surv. If the hooked surv in open field she can easily push to trade the surv who tries to help hooked friend. Even if hooked surv not in the open field she can easily come back to hook it can cover the distance after hooked surv saved. She can easily camp you much more effectively in a middle range than other killers. And Hag is second best basement camper in DbD (you know the first). Unlike Trapper's traps, Hag's traps have 3 meters range. So if someone hooked in basement you need to go to whole way crouching and need to go up in the same way. And after the person in the basement is saved, you can be sure that Hag is coming there. And in this situation taking hit is certain or she can easily tunnel the other surv (if the other surv doesn't have OTR or you don't have bt).
3) When a surv triggers a trap surv screen auto rotates. Because of that you may accidentally stuck in several objects or you can run in the wrong direction. And its sooooo annoying.
4) Hag is a area control killer. Therefore, a good hag player tries to push the survivors to area where she planted his traps. As a result of this, most of the time (congratulations if you made it this far in the match) there are 3 generators close to each other. And in such a situation, the match will turn into a long, boring and painful one.
5) You need a coordinated team to play against Hag. Since there is neither coordination nor a team game in SoloQ, it becomes extra difficult to play against Hag. (Especially in late game)
6) Add-ons that allow her to teleport the trap what she wants, or make jumpscare invisible when the trap is triggered, also make Hag more annoying.
You aldready have very little chance to win against good Hag player in soloQ. Other than in a new/bad hag player match %90 be like: Hag chases someone like 3-4 jens. Then hag hook that unclucky surv and put 626382 traps around hook and camps. So 1 surv absolutely die.
Hag players are so few because Hag's power is not found entertaining by most killer players. Hag's whole power and gameplay basicly putting trap, pushing survivors into that traps, teleporting the triggered trap and hitting surv and repeating this cycle. Playing against Hag with friends easier than soloQ. But most of the things I mentioned above will still gonna happend, it still won't be a fun match.
Finally, I want to mention last two things. I know there is so few hag players but its not changeing Hag is very boring to play against And I know survivors can use flashlight or flashbangs to destroy the trap. But Hag's traps isn't glowing and when Hag chasing you to her traps flashlight isn't gonna do anything. Also literally all Hag players use Franklins. I hope someday Bhvr remembers Hag and rework her power.
So how a survivor found playing against hag is fun or fine?
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Well all I can say is I would not mind Hag but it seems a lot of newer players have no idea how to deal with Hag and it makes games incredibly easy for her.
The only Hags I have seen lately have scroll wheel for their traps so they can insta-teleport and Franklin's seems to be meta for the Hag community to counter flashlights I guess. These factors make Hag quite annoying for me, more so than her actual design.
Chase Hag is a LOT of fun but sadly I can count on one hand how many times I have versed one of them
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I really like playing against Hag, because I really like playing as her ! =D
She's quite fragile in her power, easily counterable by people who know how to go against her, which I encounter frequently. Even in solo, if you know how Hag works, and she's not a pro player, you can absolutely counter her.
I like going against her because I like the challenge of "Ok, if I were her, what would I do from now ? What would I have trapped ?".
Sure, she's a bit of a solo stomper, but then again, so are other killers. Playing solo against her is hard because she's so rare, so people don't learn to play against her, and you're likely to be in a team where you're the only person who knows what to do. If more people played her, more people would know how to counter her, and she wouldn't be as scary.
As for the camp, not all Hags camp (or have Franklin's, for that matter : I know I don't, because I don't own Leatherface DLC). Sure, they'll try and go for 3 gen strats, but it's reasonably straightforward to counter.
I, for one, wish I saw her more often ! =D
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We generally like playing against Hag as long as our team knows "hag protocols". It requires both sides to think for once instead of the usual. Hag is especially more fun than a forever legion or plague as the match will end in a timely manner one way or another and hag gives surprises.
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I enjoy playing Hag yes she is fun to play.
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who?
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A lot of soloQ players don't know Hag protocols because Hag players are so few.
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Agreed, Hag is miserable in solo queue. She's one of those Killers that require coordination to actually counter, so 90% of solo matches are an easy win for her.
Not to mention she makes Trapper irrelevant because.. well she's literally Trapper but better.
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True but we can't blame hag for what our teammates do. If a survivor runs d### first to a hook knowing they're against a hag, then I blame them.
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I remember my hag era, mained her for like 2-3 years. I’ve never 4Ked so consistently ever.
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I like the Hag. I don't like being left to one hook by my teammates because the Hag may or may not have left a trap by the hook. That's my only complaint.
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When I play Killer I usually play Hag or Billy so yes I'd miss her for sure. She can be fun to play against if the Hag player knows what you're upto but can't stop you messing with their web.
Camping hags are boring but all camping killers are.
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You can't tell if someone is using scroll wheel or not as you can teleport instantly with any key bind :) Franklin's is needed on Hag, since flashlights can make her power completely useless and turn her into a very slow M1 killer.
The issue here is that flashlights need to be nerfed for her power and then you will be seeing Franklin's a lot less.
Trust me, Hag mains also don't want to run that perk, but there is no other killer in this game that gets their power completely destroyed by a survivor item. She already has a lot of counters, and flashlights are the cherry on top.
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Oh you hag hater how you exposed yourself for not knowing how to face and counter hag
For your first point, there are ways to avoid her traps or to trigger them in a way where you won't get hit. You can also mind game, it's really not hard.
For your second point, hag mains either put 1 trap at the hook or none at all. You can crouch, yes, and run away or hide. Getting chased as the person who unhooks is a situation that can happen and happens with any killer if the killer wants to, it's not specific to hag. Its not a trait that hags have specifically, and one that differs from literally any other killer. Nor is tunneling the unhooked survivor. I find it funny that you didn't mention Bubba as the best campy killer. Interesting.
Number 3, that's her power. Again, you can avoid. Her traps are not invisible, look down, manually trigger the trap from the farthest distance possible and run. She can't hit ya. Have some control over your character, it's not an epic turnaround.
For number 4, if you 3 gened yourself, well that's your own fault and it would make any match vs any killer as you say "a long and boring one". This is again, not hag specific and it is your fault as a survivor for not calculating the situation, but instead jumping from gen to gen without a plan. Hag mains move their web, they're not stationary on one side of the map and waiting for their prey to get in. They move as you move.
For 5 I agree. If your team is not playing together or doesn't know how to face Hag, a soloQ player can't do much. Hope for hatch, I guess. But again, this can happen with any killer if the team is bad :)
Number 6, that's a red addon that is rarely used. And shackles is a purple addon and is what makes her more interesting. This is supposed to be a horror game, so yes, jump scare = fun.
For your conclusion, you are right that facing hag as a solo player is hard, since you need to use brain along with the team that may choose to not use brain.
Hag is not rare because her power is boring, she is rare because there is a stigma around hag as a killer and wrong assumptions being made about her, her power, how she is used and how she is played. A lot of people don't play her because of the stigma and what is said about her.
Your post is proof of that bad stigma that is not followed by trial. It's obvious that you haven't tested different strategies to try and face her effectively or learn more about her, but here you are instead making a hate post and calling her plain boring because you don't know how to face her and win. By boring, you're saying that you can't hold a chase vs hag for more than a few seconds, but a fun killer is one that you can loop around the whole match.
Her power is not easy to use, you need to learn how to play her. She is very strategic, and you need to have a plan about where and how you are going to place traps and play the match. It's not like other killers that just go, find, survivors and chase for 4 min around the whole map.
And for your last bit, flashlights can destroy a trap with a simple click, so you can definitely do that in a chase. Hag mains equip Franklin's not because they want to, but because they need to. Since this survivor item destroys her power and there is no other killer that has this problem. So yes, Behavior need to nerf flashlights, so they don't destroy a killer's power and then you won't see Franklin's :)
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I couldnt agree more with this. Take these words seriously
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Hag, like Nurse, relies on a different playstyle, and survivors don't like adapting to different playstyles. They want to run around the same wall 50 times until they can smack you will a pallet and repeat until the gates are open.
Frankly I enjoy going against Hag, as well as Nurse, Mirror Myers and Ghostface, because they actually feel like horror games instead of an asymmetrical beat 'em up.
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The only people saying that are Hag mains.
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Afaik Hag is largely considered one of the most boring/annoying killer to face.
She needs a rework imo. Not for power reasons, but for fun/gameplay reasons.
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I don't mind her if everyone is on the same page and everyone is willing to play a slow 20 minute cat and mouse game. But that never happens in solo queue.
She's *extremely* easy to counter if you know what to do, and it has nothing to do with harassing her traps. Run early and hold W up the map walls away from her web. That's literally the extent of the counterplay. She either commits away from her traps and 3 gen or you force her to drop chase and she never downs anyone. Reset out of her web. Rinse/repeat. There's zero reason to try and loop her anywhere near the gens she's protecting. Don't work on the deepest gen. Just pick at the easiest gens in the 3 gen so you have an escape route. She really doesn't take much to beat, but there's always 1 or 2 teammates that don't know what to do and for some reason run into the 3 gen and go down.
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I don't mind Hag as long as its not shackles Hag and they don't place a bunch of traps around hooks and then just proxy.
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I play hag, and I have no idea what the protocols are lol
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1) What I wrote applies to soloQ (as I mentioned above). That's a whole other case, as SWF will have a lot of changeable in it.
2) When Hag pushes you into her traps (%99) you can't avoid or 'mindgame' her traps. It's only works when you know where is the Hag's trap.
3) I've known some really good Hag mains, and I know they put 1 trap to hook I admit that I made a mistake here. BUT But what I'm trying to say there is that if a Hag decides to camp, she can camp much more effectively and better in a much larger area than other killers. And this is not changeing Hag put more than a 1 trap around hook. When a survivor is saved, normally they can run away. But when playing against Hag survivors has to crouch down until out of the area of the trap or traps, which helps Hag close the distance from the survivors. And again, I didn't say these things were 'specific' to the Hag. I said that in those situations, the Hag could be far more effective than most killers. I mentioned "Hag is second best basement camper in DbD (you know the first)" in basement camp part. I thought the whole DbD players knew Bubba was the best camp killer? But if you will be satisfied Bubba is the best camp killer in DbD. Are you happy now?
4) Again this tactic only works when you know where is the trap.
5) AGAIN, let's not forget that we are speaking as soloQ. I'm sorry random soloQ repaired last jen far away but is it really my fault? This game 4v1 and I can't control other 3 players. Not everyone plays this game with full attention so there is always the possibility of 3 gen situations. I'm saying that Hag can get survivors into the 3 gen situation more easily and effectively than other killers. Again I'm not saying this these things were 'specific' to the Hag. And I know Hag's didn't put traps in area and wait.
6) SoloQ team doesn't need a perfect coordination against killer. Until killer is Hag or Cenobite (or maybe plague). Against this killers (even survivors are not bad) lack of communication will affect the match more.
7) Rarely used don't change it's annoying. I never said jumpscares = bad
8) Yeap
9) I wrote this subject incompletely, I will write what I mean at the end.
10) This whole part is Ad Hominem. I knew I would face such a reaction. I stated my opinion above and tried to explain the reason as much as I could. I may be wrong or wrong, I do not deny it. Maybe I don't know the best tactic and I'm not a Hag main or expert like Michi, but as I said, I have friends who played competitive level and I think I have enough Hag knowledge to write these things. When a Hag put a trap in a loop how exactly do you can loop her?
11) I will write what I mean at the end.
12) I don't remember wrote something like "Hag need to banned from using Franklins" Also, flashlights are basekit, am I not aware of it? If Bhvr remembers Hag, it would be much appreciated if they did a few more rework than the flashlight nerf.
13) There's also the Facecamper stamp on Bubba, but a lot of people still play Bubba and facecamp. There's also a lot of OP and broken stamps about Nurse, but a lot of people still play Nurse and make 4k series. Also, I didn't say, "Everybody playing the Hag has to get bored of it." I said most people don't find it fun. I'm still thinking a lot of people find Hag boring. BECAUSE most of the players don't want to play hard to learn hard to master killer if there is more easy to learn and stronger killer like nurse. Also, most casual killer players don't want to be overly strategic. And if a killer main wants to chase survivors I don't think which he or she would choose Hag. You just wrote how to deactivate only visible traps above that didn't change that Hag was an antiloop killer. Hag is still an antiloop killer with a strong camp potential and very little interaction.
Lastly, I'm not going to argue with you any more for treating me like an idiot and noob.
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Scroll wheel is extremely broken on her.
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Someone somewhere enjoys hag, also most of your points apply to trapper anyways
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True, but the Hag is a much stronger and basically better version of Trapper.
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Hag can't force you to run into her web if you've paid attention to where her web is and even so, there is a way to run from hag so that it is really hard for the killer to hit you.
Your second point still remains the same, if a killer wants to camp, they can camp as much and as bad as they want regardless of killer type. And if a killer camps then its just a sad place for the hooked survivor to be in. Standing around the hooked area instead of being productive hurts only you.
Hag is far from the top "good at camping killers" simply because you can avoid or destroy her traps, run where her traps are not placed and she is also not a one-shot killer. Bubba, Myers, Hillbilly, Oni, Pyramid head, Ghost face and even Clown with his red addon can be better campers than Hag.
Hag has many counters and ones that are hard to explain via text. As a solo player, you can keep an eye on where the hag is, wait until she downs someone and picks up and just run around her trapped area. She can't teleport and you've successfully destroyed her power and now she needs to waste time retrapping. Rocket science.
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I don't understand when people saying that "I don't want learn how to play against this or that killer".
Literally just like you said: They want to run around the same wall 50 times until they can smack you will a pallet and repeat until the gates are open.
The main reason of having a different killers - Each killer should have it's own counters. I hope dbd players will understand that.
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The most scariest Hags are the ones, that don't trap the hooked survivors. *Wink... Wink...*
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I dont miss hag, infact hag and trapper are my least favourite killers to verse.
Having said that it wouldn't be so bad to see 1 hag every so often... though theres alot of killers I basically never see like billy, slinger, artist, spirit, pig, myers, doctor...
Tbh I kinda just see wesker, nurse, blight with a few others slightly sprinkled in
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I don't use franklin's. That is all .
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