Should Eruption even be nerfed?

Of course not. It's not a very strong perk (except maybe against beginners who don't know perks yet).

I genuinely think they should try going back to 16 seconds of Incapacitated. Still impactful, but not nearly as annoying.

Before the 6.1.0 patch, Eruption was generally considered decent but not amazing with 6% regression and 16 seconds or Incapacitated. People weren't really bothered by the Incapacitated (partly because the perk wasn't used very often in the former meta, but partly because 16 seconds just doesn't FEEL nearly as bad as 25 seconds).

I can see people’s argument of no counter play, however does everything need counter play? There are literally tons of things in this game that don't have counter play. Instead of counter play things can have downsides or skill requirements. For example, current DH has no counter play as they can activate in your weapon lunge time which is why you can see killers literally wait out 10+ seconds on the survivors back and they still get it off timed correctly. Did this require a lot of skill in the timing from the survivor? Yes it did, but there wasn’t actually counter play from the killer there. The killer is just hoping for the survivor to mess up and use it early. Does Empathy need counter play? No, it doesn’t. It’s just an okay effect that isn’t too strong to warrant a counterplay. Eruption has the downside of having to waste time kicking all the gens you want it to effect, risking the chance of that being wasted time if the gen gets completed before you down someone AND requiring you to play well enough to down someone in the first place, ie doing nothing if you aren’t good. So my point is does everything need counter play? If your answer is yes then we have a TON of redesigning across the board to do, not just with Eruption. I’d argue not everything needs counter play. Some things can just have risks or downsides instead.

Yes it deserves to be adjusted/nerfed. Its the same situation old DH was in; the only ones who defended it were the ones who wanted to keep using it. When everyone else saw what it truly was. Same situation, just with Eruption & killer mains with clear bias coming out of the fog to disagree for the sake of disagreeing.

Even saw in 1 thread a week or so ago, someone's excuse for defending it was 'well people used to tell me old DH was fine, so I'm saying Eruption is fine now'.

Doesn't that basically apply to nearly every single perk in the game?

"it would be just as effective against SWF as it is against solos, without suffering any kind of nerf. It would actually be a buff."

You mean that now instead of standing there they could heal instead?

How is that just as effective and how would that be a buff?

"It would be a buff because instead of having a 50% success rate (only solos, never SWF) it would have a 100% success rate (no survivors can repair a blocked gen)"

Even the vast majority of swf sweat squads are not organized enough to give the exact moment they're going down. So rather than a 50% as you mention you're looking at more of a 90%+ at least even against those groups. Also, for the that small margin of effective dodging by the swf the gen continues to regress while they cannot touch it with its current iteration. You are not getting that regression while blocked. Lastly as I already mentioned they are now able to heal or work on another gen if that gen was simply blocked instead.

We can talk about whether you want the perk changed or not that's fine, but saying it would be just as effective if not even better against swf by receiving that change is just objectively not true.

"Are you ok with this perk being OP against solos and useless against SWF?"

Why even ask a silly question like this that you already know the answer to? No one actually thinks this. It's also not even remotely in the atmosphere of useless against swf. The groups you're talking about are like the top .5%

We're just gonna have to disagree then.

Did you just copy my post? Lol.

Don't be contrarion for the sake of it. Of course this perk needs a nerf. Let's compare this to its closest friend Scourge Hook: Pain Resonance - perfectly counterable by watching for the hook animation, requires the killer to walk to one of the four hooks that triggers it, survivor screams don't reveal their location, it affects ONE generator, and the survivor can immediately resume progression after screaming.

Eruption on the other hand cannot be countered unless you are playing with a mic, it affects ALL gens being worked on, it removes the ability for the survivor to perform any action for 25 seconds. This perk isn't merely twice as good as Scourge Hook, it is at least three times as powerful.

So yes, it obviously needs a nerf. Should Scourge Hook get a buff also? Yes, they could remove the aura of the survivor during the hook animation so it can't be so easily countered. OR reveal survivor location OR even introduce the incapicitated status, albeit not for the ludicrously excessive period of 25 seconds.

Seriously, yesterday I played solo against a nurse with this perk and I kid you not, I could not complete this one gen until all my teammates died after getting hooked repeatedly.

Unfair and not fun.

Yes

You still aren't understanding my point. Things that *remove a player from normal gameplay* that have no interaction or telegraph:

1. Eruption.

Please add to the list.

It's been in place too long to be knee jerk.

The opinions are too consistent both between players and across occurrences of people raising issues with it to be knee jerk.

Oh and yes, yes it does.

Sorry for being sarcastic, I was just seeing a miscommunication and being frustrated by that.

First thing I would do is disable Eruption on any gen that regresses to zero.

I've seen a couple ideas that might work to varying degrees. The simplest would be to have the eruption effect "explode" 1 second or so after a survivor is downed. So, similar to pain resonance, there's an opportunity to avoid it. Unfortunately, this might destroy Eruption as a perk without greatly increasing the "chunk" of progress it takes from the gen. It also loses some identity, since it's basically just Jolt with extra steps and larger range. Not a perfect option, but solves the problems I have with it for the most part.

One other idea I saw, which doesn't exactly resolve the issue I have fully, but might work without destroying Eruption as a perk, is to debuff an affected survivor with some new debuff. So "Erupted" debuff makes them perform *most* general things like gen repair, cleansing/booning, healing, etc. at like 50% speed for whatever time period. That way they can still play the game, even if slowly, and this could be tuned numbers-wise to give Eruption the same amount of gen progress "lost", even if the survivor continues working on it. It would preserve the perk usefulness and uniqueness, and survivors can technically still perform actions, but I'm still not 100% sure I like this option personally.

The third way would be to make eruption more telegraphed. So if an Erupted gen had something like the cylinders puffing out smoke constantly you'd at least know that gen was cursed while working on it. The exact visual indicator is up in the air, and could be something as simple as a gear sitting on top of the gen while the perk is active.

And to be fair, there is one other perk I forgot to list, which is Blast Mine. Blast Mine also doesn't involve player interaction or telegraphs, and can stun the killer. Though Blast Mine seems fairer because it's earned, has one charge, and expires in 60 seconds. You can also just kick the gen immediately after recovering, so you lose a couple seconds total. So possibly if Eruption earned tokens on a down that got spent when kicking a single gen it would be far weaker, but you wouldn't have the threat of every single gen being affected. Again, doesn't exactly solve the problems entirely, but having it be "earned" and far rarer to encounter might be another way to reduce how oppressive it feels.

@Blueberry

Exactly, the unhealthy part of the perk should be looked at.

And I didn't word it well, but the "remove Eruption if regression hits zero" would be in addition to any of the other changes to the perk. I focus on that because once a gen hits zero it's impossible to even tell a "fully regressed gen" from "gen that has never had progress". So getting hit with the incapacitation when just starting a fresh gen is extra annoying.

Yeah the numbers are a bit weird to tweak there, and I didn't run any numbers beforehand. But you're right, the debuff would have to be like 100% slower speeds or much longer, which could still be annoying. But if it's instead only debuffing gen repair speed, you could choose to wait it out doing something else more productive potentially. Running rough numbers, you get 25s incapacitated time and about 7% regression during that window as is right now, so it's about 40.3 seconds to break even to before the eruption hit, if you start working on it immediately as incap ends.

With just a gen speed debuff tho, you'd have to buff the initial hit to account for no regression window, so 17%ish off the top. If you do 100% slower gen speed you break even at the end of about 30.6 seconds. So even 100% slower speed isn't quite enough to keep the numbers the same. But still might be an option, since it actively encourages the survivor to do anything else other than that gen.

And yeah, I think Blast Mine is actually balanced pretty well, even if the reasons Blast Mine are "fair" aren't exactly translatable to Eruption.

Old DH can bait mid chase yes. But for distance to reach pallets & windows, not.

To the post. Eruption currently, is like this:

• Without Eruption

75sec Gen could be progressed in the next 25sec from the down.

• With Eruption

6sec regressed + 9sec instant regressing. 3 or even more Gens would multiplied to 45sec in the next 25sec from the down.

The gaps between Without & With Eruption is 120sec. That cause for every single down.

A slight nerf to the incapicated timer yes, and make it counterable by Vigil.

Other than that the perk is legit fine, people just love to act like it's way stronger than it actually is.

It should be changed so it works equally (or how equal it can, it will never be equal 100%) against solo's and swf and then it can be looked at whether it needs a nerf or a buff

Not to this extent

Vs swf who call out when they go down eruption removes 10% of a gen or 9 charges

Vs a solo who can't know when a team mate goes down it does 10% of the gen, removes 25 seconds potential gen time and regresses for 25 seconds, that's 9+25+6,25= 40.25 charges lost per survivor hit

I know you can not realistically make perks effect solo vs swf equally but 9 vs 40 is a big difference don't you think