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Do you have a feeling content creators have also ruined the game community?
I say also because I personally think one of the major reasons DBD is still relevant is because of its content creators, the biggest example we have is OTZ, who is such a great representative for the community and similar streamers like him are really doing a great job at presenting this game honestly in a much better light that it deserves, I actually admire people who can play this game for so many hours and on top of that create content for it and have motivation.
However, if you take a look at youtube what you normally see is also this:
looped baby killer for 5 gens and then he dcs
professional bully squad gets 785 head on stuns in one match
toxic swf fails and rages in end game chat
they brought me to ________ and still got wrecked
camping Bubba gets karma
try hard Nurse gets 0k
I faced 25k hours team and they play like this?
whiny survivor main rages on stream
and then all the escape and kill streaks which include 4 man comp squad swf against baby killers and nurse / blight with the best addons and perks.
I have a feeling that over the years this type of sensationalism has led to such a divide and the infamous us vs them mentality and the end result is everyone always saying how DBD has the most toxic community they have ever been a part of but since most of the content for the game is one side trashing the other and people cheering in the comments is anyone surprised?
Obviously, this leads to people who are not streamers/content creators having this same mentality and it just goes on and on
The reason I think the content impacts the game/community so much is because unlike most online games DBD is so unique and games feel a lot more personal than for example someone pumping you in the face with a shotgun in Fortnite and ending your game right there
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I think the whole us vs. them divide and people self-sorting themselves into their respective content creator communities where they can rage about the other side or how something is busted favoring the other side is part of the appeal of this game lol. Same reason why people form echo chambers on Reddit or whatever. They love to have their own opinions echoed back to them
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Yes, i think that the common dbd videos on youtube give players unrealistic expectations of how matches should go and how other players should act, and then when their experience goes differently they get angry and take it out on the players.
Just social media being social media really.
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What gets you clicks on Social media isnt the most healthy content, its much like Junkfood actually.
It tastes good, you get that, they deserved it taste in your mouth. But really if you take a look at how the game is played.
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There are definitely some good and bad things that come from content creation. Some videos that have been posted on social media have given the developers some very good feedback on what’s broken/imbalanced.
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I hate what DbD content creation has become, and I've pretty much completely disengaged from it. It's all the same over the top click-baity title with usually average gameplay on whatever side. And I hate how the lack of any meaningful ranking system means the community more or less decides what constitutes good play. It pains me to no end to see someone as skilled as Knightlight at 200 viewers when there are relative bots with over 2k viewers whose word is taken as the gospel.
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I do think it plays a part.
Content creators just have a lot of influence on their viewers and their opinions, whether they realize it or not.
I wouldn't even say Otz is that much of a perfect representation of the community (or is he?). For all his wholesome vibes, the guy has a quite the double standards at times. Anything he can't handle with 0 perks and addons equipped is disgusting. Anytime he faces a tunneler as survivor, it's "such a shame to play [killer] and camp & tunnel" yet when he's playing killer, that's... exactly what he's doing ?
But yeah, too much of DbD content creation right now is focused on toxicity because unfortunately that's what makes the most views I guess. That and all the fearmongering around "toxic ttv is so toxic ! clic to know why !"... And all the coy "OMG this build makes me feel so bad for the other side lol, please don't use it <3"
I've kind of drifted away from watching DbD content creators at the moment, except for lore retelling.
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DBD Content Creators honestly just make the community worse sometimes. A lot of them focus on salt content since ya know, it gets views, but it honestly just further fuels the divide between an already split community since people use these videos to generalize and harass others.
DBD Twitter is an awful place and the Creators on that platform are horrendous with most trying to harass and attack others over the tiniest of stuff (RTSCoconut Incident is a prime example), and under DBD's social media posts is just absolute degeneracy and horny posts combined with people bickering and fighting over small stuff.
But things werent always like this, DBD's Community had to reach this point by the decisions of people which consequently affected others, so on and so forth, Content Creators are the forerunners of this in my opinion.
This being said, as you even mentioned, not all Content Creators are like that, there are a lot spreading positivity in the community, but so many Content Creators thrive and feed off of negativity.
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Don’t bother arguing with them on twitter you’ll just get spammed with k pop gif replies because they think that’s an argument
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I only watch Otzdarva, OhTofu and Stalky Boi anymore, occasionally I'll look is Samination has anything, but I don't watch religiously. Other content folks I watched in the past have just been off-putting, clickbaity or just annoying AF. The genral/mainstream media of DBD is pretty awful aside from fan art or the occasional parody video. People wanting clip bait plays or wanting to be in a montage, can be a little detrimental to the health of the game.
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Yah...
Most of what I see doesn't lend itself to a game you want to own up to playing in public. Twitch is especially creepy.
On youtube you can at least find players that talk about the mechanics of the games and how to do specific things.
That one dude though, that makes a living off of blowing up the worst drama exchanges. That guy...
So, yah, thats all negative publicity. As if the game doesn't give itself enough, it has its own racism/sexism/everyism announcers(I think there are two that specialize in this)
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YouTube and Twitch have kinda ruined multiplayer games in general. But that's just my opinion.
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I still like some content creators (Mainly OTZ, Scott and Tofu) but the majority of them I find insufferable. Just highly edited compilations of looping new killers for 5 gens
Generally if a content creator never posts games they win and games they lose I don’t trust their content to be good
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It may be a coincidence, but most of the main killer content creators on yt/twitch have a purely toxic and borderline bannable chat, always looking for salt for the sheer sake of showing their frustration towards other players. Of course the streamers are no different.
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There are *some* content creators (even mid/big ones) that really overall spread negativeness, even if they somewhat seem wholesome or sugarcoat themselves
The fact that they have tons of views though shows that it works. That content is what the community wants
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I completely forgot about this and it's actually the thing I hate the most - it's these ''expose'' channels who are like PLEASE DO NOT SEND HATE GUYS and then posts a clip of a streamer acting like the biggest bigot while camping/tunneling or flashlight clicking, yeah do not send hate sure, you want those people to ''better'' themselves and not have your army of followers harras them and create even more drama, honestly the WORST kind of DBD content creators by far, ######### them
Yeah no one is perfect but at least his content is based on the actual game - just look at the amount of tutorials, add ons, perks, killer power explanation videos he has and all of those videos are like hours long, honestly the advice you can give to someone when starting this game would be like go watch Otz content first to teach you stuff the game won't. I mean I get he gets paid for that but imagine having to play DBD for hours and then produce 5-hour long video for it, like I get overwhelmed after 3 bad matches in a row and I want to uninstall the game after that and yet there are people like him who actually want to help people get better at the game even though the game can be so mentally exhausting (this is what I think separates DBD from other online games - it just feels so bad to lose/have bad matches). And then compare to the rest of the DBD content where people literally act like the biggest losers by taunting people for not being good or losing to them in a party unbalanced game
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I actually feel that content creators are way over-rated. I used to think they were Godlike when I had like 30 hours in the game, until I found out that I was able to do the same 360's, hook saves, flashlight blinds, locker stuns, deadhards, and moonwalking as they do. They are just people who play video games like the rest of us. I don't even feel content creators are better at dbd than many random survivors encounter. It is just the celebrity effect.
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I honestly hate the "exposing toxic ttv" or "this streamer is racist" videos smaller creators make,, like is your own content that boring that you constantly need to rely on others bad behavior to make a video? Virtue signaling people get on my nerves and their viewers give me total npc vibes
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There is one content creator who who provides a tremendous treasure trove of educational value and encyclopedic knowledge about different perks as well as information about killers and survivors. But other than that, most content creators are literally no different than the rest of us. They are just a cross section of the types of people in the community as a whole.
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Nah
Some of these "titles" that you mentioned are games that happen once every a couple of months
Like, why bother so much about it in the first place?
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Most of the vids are not even their own content, some are but most aren't,, and while I do think any ism should be reported and punished accordingly, it's boring content, and dragging someone on yt for content like this screams virtue signaling and to be honest when i wanna watch a video about a game i wanna watch game play, not someone spending 15 mins analyzing one word and how it's terrible to say and blah blah and then close the video "please send no hate to x person"
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Yes, to answer your initially question. I'll go one step further and say even your well received content creators like Otz can influence the community negatively especially when it comes to opinions about the state of the game. I don't blame Otz for it but too many people take his and his peers words as GOSPEL, regardless of the actual effects on the game of what they suggest. I've seen what happens when devs just look at the "top content creators" and say "oh they say x is broken? better fix it" only for it to unilaterally make the game worse. Overwatch cough
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Otz is generally a really good guy and probably at the upper end of content creators for dbd in terms of being unbiased. He definitely has his double standards though. The big thing for me is every time he talks about blight he generally doesn't know what he is talking about, which really disappoints me as he is the biggest source of info in this games community.
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I used to watch Tru3 but then I realized that he makes mistakes but doesn't admit that he does
OTZ... after watching some of those 3+ hour best build for every Killer videos I've learned that what he says sometimes makes sense but on the other hand doesn't think of all playstyles that the Killers have... The last one that I watched had a repeat of perks which I find boring
I do watch Choy every now and again... I also kinda wished that he would make another Regression video but with the other Gen regression perks
I just post all of my matches after every stream... But then again I've taken all of the videos off of Public for me not being able to make any more videos and not being able to do what I wanted to
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Choy needs to stop playing DBD all he does is complain about the game and attack bhvr.. I don't understand why content creators force themselves to play a game they hate sooo much.. Their negativity spreads to their community and then innocent people just trying to play the game get attacked.. Choy and others like him should just go find a game they have fun playing and play it.. No one is forcing them to play dbd.. I mean go play civ 6 or something.
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https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/361350/do-you-have-a-feeling-content-creators-have-also-ruined-the-game-community
the game is us vs them it's just very heavily skewed towards survivors because there are more of them. wym?
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https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/361350/do-you-have-a-feeling-content-creators-have-also-ruined-the-game-community
you admire people that can play a game for many hours and make content for it?
Do you also admire people with real jobs that kill theyr body daily to get a paycheck that doesnt reach anywhere near what these streamers are receiving?
Id play dbd for 15hours a day + post clickbait videos if i was making half of what this guys do.
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yeah but that's not the vast majority.
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So given the numbers how can someone say game is survivor sided when the majority of survivors get deleted by m1 killers.
Game should be balanced around the majority not the best of the best.
Honestly group up should had been limit to 2 players to keep the game balanced. and end the whole 4 stacks.
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Yes and thats why syringes are gonna get nerfed to the ground very soon
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you really don't have to be a fan of any content creator to notice how problematic Syringes are.
Ohh but they are fun and they want to take everything from your side, right? Well see, this is the actual mentality that ruins dbd community, content creators that actually spread hardcore us vs. them agenda and think that every nerf for their side is "removing fun stuff" while nerfing everything om opponent side is "justified".
Hens is game consultant btw and he literally has equal survivor and killer experience to talk about game balance for both sides.
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matchmaking should be improved in order for game balance to be able to give more productive results. The "majority" in question are people massively being driven by ego that at the same time consider they are "top MMR and god skill" while also considering themselves casual players (mutually exclusive btw)
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Content creators aren't ruining the game
People mindlessly taking everything content creators say as Gospel is ruining the game6 -
I enjoy most of the streamers who just post comps of themselves like odz and I think his name is Slate? Other then that Mintskull and a few others who just mess around are the ones who don’t try and give advice based on their “experience on both sides” when it’s a 4:1 ratio.
Most people don’t care about actually having fun and would rather post videos of them “trolling the toxic X” when they spend half the match bullying them and then post the other side retaliating.
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^This
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My only issue with content creators, in general, is that they have made the community reactive.
Every. Single. Thing. BHVR. Does. Gets. A. Video. My YT homepage keeps tabs on an entire company. Kinda wild to think about it.
I do not think this is a good thing for both sides. I want more Tokyo Ghoul "this is amazing" and less Houndmaster "disaster recovery".
I have watched so much Schmuckles lately you would think I'm metal gear solid in an airvent at BHVR HQ.
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Content creators as a whole for this game are a double-edged sword imo.
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My problem with content creators is some of them blatantly lying for clicks and getting away with it. The bigger content creators get away with it for free too.
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Otz underplayed how powerful Ken was going to be like CRAZY. Probably a huge part of why bhvr did next to nothing to tune him when moving over to live. Not necessarily the same thing as what you're saying but it is interesting that even he had to admit; and I quote, "oops ghoul is much stronger than I thought". Like c'mon bro you should've known he was gonna be a problem. Everyone was just too excited ig they didn't think for a second how oppressive Ken would be… Well besides the vocal minority who played the ptb and got ignored but who gives af about those slime rats am I right?
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It's called passion for the game, the guy obviously wants this game to succeed. The biggest reason why people hate this game and still play it is because you cannot get what is in this game anywhere else. That's why people hate this game but continue to play it because there is no competition. Like for an example, i am a Freddy main and if some dev team decided to make a Nightmare On Elm Street multiplayer game, i would be off of this game instantly. TCM is a dead game and the people that came from DBD came back to DBD once they saw how bad the game was, same thing happened with The Evil Dead game. If it was not for the license chapters, this game would be dead a long time ago. You got Leatherface and Myers being the first licensed chapters introduced to this game and then Freddy came back after that we got Pig, Stranger Things, Silent Hill, nearly the whole Resident Evil franchise etc etc which drew the audience to this game to play as their favorite franchises. You are not going to beat DBD with a single franchise.
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Hmmmm.
Two year old necro post.
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His whole chat was roasting kaneki so hard I had to switch to Hens to get some more reasonable takes. But that's not on otz I guess, we all have our preferences, styles, metas etc.
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I disagree with this take. Otz posted that, and what did he show. 2 Matches against SWFs that almost beat him both times? Like ok so because he wins the killer is OP?
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You could argue that due to the short time frame of the ptb and limited ability to test for various reasons Otz still has enough experience with the game and has been around for so many updates that he very well could've; if not, should've seen this coming. Alas he downplayed Ken's potential and even I after watching Otz's initial video wrote ken off as a gimmicky anime version of legion. But now with a larger pool of people testing/experiencing ken it's a lot more apparent that he is overturned and exceedingly oppressive. It wasn't my intention to put all the blame onto Otz of course - he's not the sole spokesperson for the DBD community indeed.
The thought I was trying to convey is - I can see BHVr valuing his opinion more than the few people who potentially did a more through analysis of Ken on the PTB and unfortunately their voices were seemingly not heard.
I sat on this reply for a while and a thought occurred to me that maybe the PTB isn't meant for gameplay balancing as much as it is intended for finding and removing irritating bugs and stuff like that. Either way Ken was released with a handful of those as well. So like… What is the point of us - the regular players participating and giving feedback during the PTB if next to nothing is done with the feedback we provide. At this point it feels like the PTB is more a content making tool for people like Otz and Hens etc.It came back because it matters!
I never watch those live I only saw what was posted on youtube afterwards. It's funny to hear that people were roasting kentucky knowing that those same people are probably crying about getting pub stomped all day. I enjoy watching content creators as a means to get a sneak peek at new content but I never let them inform my opinion. But I feel like an unfortunate amount of the community just lets otz and hens and whoever else tell them how they should feel about the state of the game and new characters etc.
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Otz and his constant questionable takes is as much of an issue for the community as the rest.
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