I Hope The Reworked Mori/Basekit Unbreakable Update Comes Soon

Killers will go for the slug win more often.

What that happens once maybe if youre lucky twice my friend I've been slugged for 4 k or bleed out at least once a night

We need something to prevent that specific events (slug for 4K or bleeding slugs).

• It can be simple as if you're on the ground for 30sec (count from the moment you down, not the bleeding timer), you can suicide.

So if killer bleeding slugs, it would take 30sec only.

If killer down the 3rd survivor then slug and looking to the 4th one, the 3rd can suicide after 30sec. This is also prevent instant suicide from the 3rd survivor after down to give the 4th one quick hatch.

It would really have to be significantly reworked.

The closest I could see working would be:

You only gain the ability to pick yourself up off the floor when all survivors are downed, which obviously then deactivates the second a survivor does pick themselves up, giving the opportunity to only one survivor at any given time. This prevents 4K slugging (instead of just making it a bit more difficult, alongside making all slugging more difficult, even when valid) because as soon as you down the last survivor, another one pops back up.

And for the mori, it should be an option that's available only for the last remaining survivor. Basically basekit Yellow Mori offering. This would further disincentivise slugging for the 4K, because the killer would have a bit more of an upper hand in the race for the hatch, in not needing to deal with DS or Boil Over.

Together this would remove any strategic advantage to slugging the 3rd to find the 4th, because either way you do it you will always have one survivor up and able to jump in the hatch should it spawn at their feet. The game for the final remaining survivor then becomes a 50/50 between Hatch/Escape and Mori, making Mori's much more commonly seen.

I wouldn't even say that would be the same system they tested reworked, it's something completely different.

Sorry, but according to some people on these forums this never happens and if it did you must have done something to deserve it /s

No, but seriously, I'm with you. I don't care what other balance changes or survivor nerfs come with it, something like basekit UB needs to be done to address the complete fun-sucking experience of getting slugged for minutes at a time.

Unbreakable is once per game, effectively useless if the killer is committed to slugging. Quit trying to defend terrible game mechanics with situational band-aids.

Yeah unbreakable doesn't work for bleed out killers

Hahaha, killer did a great job! Wish I made people mad enough at losing for them to post on the official forum. You already have a basekit and that is more than enough. Basekit unbreakable is a joke. It'll never happen. Even if it came with being inflicted with every single negative status effect permanently until you remove them and being forced to remove them one at a time in the most inconvenient order after getting your full health back then still no.

The mori system that was tested requires the killer to get a 4K to use it. That's why it encourages slugging for the 4K, it's really that simple.

The only way to guarantee a 4K is to slug, anything else you're allowing for the possibility of the last survivor escaping, and you fail to mori, which under that system came with a massive BP score. And that would be absolutely fine, killers should have to work for the 4K. But you give them the option of not working for the 4K by making it guaranteed, and they'll take it.

This means the optimal strategy is to camp/tunnel out two players first, slug the 3rd, and down the 4th before the 3rd can get back up. If the 3rd get's up before you can down the 4th, rinse and repeat in relay until they're both down at the same time.

This could potentially last much longer then the 4m bleedout timer, and while this is happening, the chances of one of those survivors getting any repair progress done is virtually non-existent. 45 seconds is quite a long time when its just two survivors left, one on the floor and one in a chase. So the basekit UB isn't actually helping prevent the 4K slug in this scenario, it's just giving the killer a moderately safe timer within which they have to check up on one of the survivors.

What the basekit UB does do, is penalise killers in every other part of the game. So the ones that want to slug for the 4K are absolutely fine under this system, but the ones who are using slugging moderately here and there, when appropriate to apply pressure, are losing that ability.

• Survivors that divebomb the hook for a rescue no longer have to fear getting 3 of them slugged, because by the time the killer has carried one of them to a non-sabotaged hook, the other two pick themselves up while the fourth carries on repairing.
• Survivors running Boil Over can safely run to a dead corner with no hooks in range, and the killer can do nothing to stop them getting up for free while the other survivors repair gens.
• Survivors who go down under a pallet become off-limits to the killer. The killer is forced to choose between getting pallet/flashlight stunned, or leaving that survivor to pick themselves up.
• Any other instance of slugging no longer requires another survivor to come to their rescue, halving the killers pressure in general, and allowing 30-50% extra gen efficiency for the team as 1/3 or 1/2 survivors are now on gens instead of rescuing their team mates.

On top of all that, it essentially forces survivors to run Unbreakable as a new ultra-meta perk, because halving this 45s timer is way too powerful.

This is just a massive buff to survivors, in particular SWF, and doesn't do enough to prevent slugging for the 4K.

It's the equivalent of killers demanding basekit NOED because of survivors teabagging at the exits instead of just leaving.

No thanks, I'd rather not have that dumpster fire of a mechanic ruining games for the sake of something that might happen once every 200 matches or so.

I never said anything about the basekit unbreakable, I am just talking about the mori here.

Like, you say that it encourages slugging for 4ks, but Killers already do that. It's already a game-winning scenario without the base kit mori. It changes nothing.

Again, functionally all the base kit mori does is stop people forcing bleedouts.

Seriously. The scenarios they are trying to prevent with this change are like .1% of matches for a mechanic that will make most matches much less enjoyable.

Because unbreakable exists. Even with four down one can pop up as you carry another to a hook. I've seen four slugs turn around to survivors escaping before. That can't happen with the new system.