Will dead hard also get nerfed on the upcoming patch with eruption?

Or this might be not be the best idea.

If they get a dead hard hit they get incapacitated for 30 seconds.

thats why I said it wasn’t really the best I’m just trying to find ways. I did it cause it feels punishing to not get a down and they can just use it easily at pallets. I did this so they can’t just easily get in a gen after escaping a chase. If that’s not good then we can do this

After you use dead hard and you don’t get hit you can’t interact with anything for 2 seconds. So you can’t just abuse it at windows and pallets.

That could work but I don’t think that would still fix the core problem that you have to literally sniff survivors asses just to not get hit by DH.

Imagine if in call of duty there was a perk where if you press A you are invincible to bullets and grenades. Imagine that you can’t shoot the guy cause he might have the perk. That’s bad game design if I find the survivor and swing at them I deserve that win. I shouldn’t have to wait just to get my hit.

My one complaint with the perk is that the meta change didn't solve its overuse for a month, it was barely used, but now it's back to being overly used, which I just find so boring. I have the same feeling going against eruption 5th game in a row, and the meta is still really stale.

BHVR could delete dead hard from the game, burn down the building where it was coded, and perma ban anyone who ever put a single blood point into David.

Two weeks later this forum would be filled with posts about how annoying and unplayable it is when survivors 99% Sprint burst.

What would you consider giving alternatives, because I was under the impression the new killer meta was like that, but I suppose you are right that if you run something into the ground something else will take it's place. Though I don't really like the alternatives to slowdown the devs added as they kind of got really old really fast.

Also I just feel like perks like dead hard and eruption are both just not really well-designed perks in general..

There have been some examples of poor perk design. DS, MoM, and Dead Hard. Out of these three only one survived its changes because its the only one that's still useful.

DS, stun is too short.

MoM, just bad design

DH, no more distance but require timing to be effective.

To remove DH you would have to make it useless. To reduce its use, you have to provide perks that actually do something.

Now that something should not be brain dead push button = win. But something that requires timing and narrow use.

As for killer perks, they already suffered this burried into the groung problem. Most on release. I was going through perks the other day to do a Freddy daily. I had a hard time finding any decent perks outside slowdown and auras. Variety is the spice of life and killers perks are all salt.

And they probably won't be touching any of the Gen speed perks making it even worse for Killers Gen defense.

I have though this idea too so killers would not have to bait it out as most likely you will going to hit it once anyway so you have to only just eat it once and that's it. But I think ds with 80s timer should be made basekit then because dh can work as anti-tunneling perk too so survivors need something to help in that as tunneling is even now most viable strat and would still be.

How about a middle ground? The new DH gets one use and recharges if you get tunneled.

My DBD dream is this: killers get a BBQ light as basekit, ie on hook show them one random survivor that is 24m+ away AND give the killer a sizeable (like +15%) movement speed if they move in that general direction and aren't in any chase and something like 16m away from their target, thus making map traversal less of a pain for slow and/or M1 killers, but don't give them an unfair advantage in the chase, either.

Also give back incentives to hook everyone, ie a new score event "Entity appetiser" where you get +5k BP if you hook everyone at least once. As a bonus I would love some kind of Grim Embrace kina effect "block all gens for 30s upon hooking everyone at least once, while no survivor is dead". Tunnelers are gonna to tunnel, no matter what, but it would be nice to somehow enable a fun game without purposefully sabotaging yourself.

If you want killers not to camp and tunnel on default, then you need to make the fun way of playing worthwhile. You can only apply so much of the stick before they lash out, but the carrot is often the more effective tool.

Maybe not deleted. Completely reworked however...

I dont get why everyone wants everything to become basekit. All that does is diluting perk variety and cementing the meta, as you get your cake, while also eating it with a side of your more "flashy and fun" meta perks.

Of course I would somewhat like to have a mini Corrupt Intervention on each and every of my killers, but here is the big idea: if I really think that I need this safety net at the start, there already IS a solution: I have Corrupt Intervention unlooked for all my killers and could just equip it. No need to ######### and moan about making it basekit, if I think that I need it, its already there.

If it WERE to be made basekit, even at just 25s or something, then I would probably never equip it again and just got +1 perk slot. How many native BT have you seen in the last month? Or two month? Maybe 2 combined? And that was probably returning players who had it still in their loadouts, not peeps that thought "dayum ... 20s of endurance ofter unhooking, THATS what will bring more value then Windows of Opportunity".

Each perk becoming basekit is a perk thats destroying loadout variety even more and just cementing the meta.

Both perks should be nuked from orbit.