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What happened to Hag

Simple just want to know what happened to her i don't see anyone play her I think I've seen more twin's then Hag. Did something happen that made her so bad that she makes Twin's look good?

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  • Chocolate_Cosmos
    Chocolate_Cosmos Member Posts: 5,735

    I don't think her popularity changed at all. She was for a very long time one of the least played Killers. It's due to her only playstyle I would say. If you don't want to trow games (by chasing survivors), you have to camp / patrol a area with 3-4 gens and never leave it. It's boring for both sides unless you really like this playstyle.

  • Sadako_Best_Girl
    Sadako_Best_Girl Member Posts: 662

    She had a ######### gameplay style before, she has a shittier gameplay style now.

    I for once am glad I don't have to face her, I hate her so ######### much but I do feel bad for hag mains that have to endure CoH + Endurance + all the new unhooking perks that invalidate 60% of her power.

  • Shroompy
    Shroompy Member Posts: 6,695

    Hag has always been one of the least played killers, back when I started playing in 2017 I reached I believe the 100 hour mark before I even ran into my first Hag or even Swamp. I remember looking at the wiki (which was god awful back then) and saw that this killer I've never seen before, and deadass thought it was fake. My first time playing on the swamp and hearing the crows go off from the boat, well I thought that was her power lol.

    As for why she isn't seen as much nowadays, more killers who are much more interesting to a wider audience and it doesn't help that the Survivor meta has evolved in a way that kind of screws her over. She's far from a bad killer but she's just not that interesting to many

  • th3syst3m
    th3syst3m Member Posts: 394

    Nothing, she has always been unpopular. Most people find her playstyle boring.

  • TigerSnake
    TigerSnake Member Posts: 531

    Hag sucks ass.

  • Iron_Cutlass
    Iron_Cutlass Member Posts: 3,267

    I do not think that it's Hag being horrible, moreso that she is annoying to play as, and boring to play against, so most people just pretend they dont exist.

  • Nirgendwohin
    Nirgendwohin Member Posts: 1,251

    She is annoying to play against and boring to play with.

  • wydyadoit
    wydyadoit Member Posts: 1,145

    Flashlights are common, crouching beats her ability, setting up traps takes too long against gen rusher strats, and she moves at 4.4, but doesnt do anything other than teleport to her traps. Which means she has to rely almost exclusively on her bloodlust which is 15 seconds of not breaking a pallet, not losing a survivor, etc.

    with deadhard granting mend and circle of healing able to negate her ability to deal damage - even when players run full sprint builds… she suffers just about every way imaginable.

  • Riski
    Riski Member Posts: 208

    Firstly people learnt to play against her, baiting trap activations and leaving her trapped area makes her less of a noob stomper. Secondly the meta doesn't favour her, she plays into new dead hard very easily, struggle with the strong healing options which have become more popular and generally doesn't like the variety of endurance effects going around.

  • Phasmamain
    Phasmamain Member Posts: 11,531

    She’s always been unpopular. But COH and endurance perks counter her pretty hard

    Most people just don’t find the territorial defensive playstyle she has

  • Sava18
    Sava18 Member Posts: 2,439

    She was my first main, but CoH ruins her.

  • Star99er
    Star99er Member Posts: 1,461

    I think Hag is one of the most well-balanced killers in the game. That being said she's mainly struggling right now due to Boon totems and some of the recent perk balance changes.

  • SMitchell8
    SMitchell8 Member Posts: 3,302

    Hag was a very frequent killer about 2 or 3 years ago for me, now she's very rare to face.

  • Nun_So_Vile
    Nun_So_Vile Member Posts: 2,424

    She can stay gone.

  • Xendritch
    Xendritch Member Posts: 1,842

    You know how everyone hated on Skull Merchant during the PTB for being a territorial killer that was good at 3 genning? Yeah Hag was the Original. Playing defensively and dragging out games is not something most people like.

  • Mat_Sella
    Mat_Sella Member Posts: 3,557

    People played her more when there was 12 less killer options and camping within teleport range was an extremely valuable and simple job that you could mori immediately off hook with.

  • Xernoton
    Xernoton Member Posts: 5,846

    Nothing really happened to Hag herself. It's just the current meta she has some trouble dealing with. Infinite heals, endurance and quite a few maps with gens spread so far she has trouble defending them with her limited range.

  • HugTechLover
    HugTechLover Member Posts: 2,482

    She doesn’t have a place in this meta. She’s quite terrible now.

  • I've had 5 in the last 48 hours and it's like people forgot how to play against her. Not to mention 3 of them got RPD so she had a whole side locked down.

  • Phantom_
    Phantom_ Member Posts: 1,354

    I've seen hags with builds around basement excell. But if you have to play her like that every time, it gets boring really fast sadly

  • HugTheHag
    HugTheHag Member Posts: 3,140

    Pretty much what people said, she suffers a lot from the healing meta since part of her strength is hit and run.

    She's still really fun to play as when you're in low-ish mmr against players that don't counter her well, but when you reach teams that know how to play against her, it's a very sudden very steep learning curve.

    Hag path :

    • 0K-1K for a few games when you start playing her and don't know how to use her power well
    • Then straight to only 3Ks & 4Ks with no sweat while you ride the wave of people who have never seen her for the next ten hours of playing her, maybe you have the odd 2K thrown in there
    • Then you hit the CoH / heal wall, the flashlight bringers, the people who know how to set off her traps safely, and the good loopers who can harass you to keep you from building a web
    • Harsh learning environment, either sweat through it or go play an easier killer

    She just has a lot of counters, and they're justified because Hag can be fearsome at low and high mmr ! But she's just very hard to learn when you're reaching that middle stage where you're too powerful to be matched with beginners, yet too weak and unskilled against decent survivors.

  • JustAShadow
    JustAShadow Member Posts: 179

    She's one of the worst killers in the game currently and in addition she's very boring to play.

  • IamFran
    IamFran Member Posts: 1,616
    edited February 2023

    She is considered one of the most boring killers (to play as and against) and also the optimal way of playing her is with very scummy tactics (placing traps near hooked survivors and 3-gening from minute 1).

  • Dwight_Fairfield
    Dwight_Fairfield Member Posts: 7,040

    She's never been a common killer since I started playing back in 2017. Always been one of the least played killers by far. Only Twins competes with her for the rarity.

  • PowZapBamWoofMeow
    PowZapBamWoofMeow Member Posts: 195

    my Hag is about P8 or P9. She’s great. Is her play style boring on both sides? Yeah. But I love the mayhem she creates with her phantasms.

    BVHR really needs to revisit her and make her so that she doesn’t have to rely on 3 gen camping play style. How you accomplish that I dunno .

    But once a month or so I like to play her just because I love her power and skins and Mori. Just a shame she is in a bad place.

  • Thralfazuz
    Thralfazuz Member Posts: 165

    I play hag time to time and trust me, this does jack #########, because you can't use dead hard when you are healthy and exposed XD, make your choice, dragon grip, they only anoyying part Is you have to deal with a swf that constantly swarming you at that point you are just a M1 killer but worse because Hag has slow speed

  • illNicola
    illNicola Member Posts: 482

    She isn't strong, she's never been strong, but some years ago she was playable. Now with all survs advantages, she can't be played without loosing 90% of matches. Sadly.

  • feechima
    feechima Member Posts: 917
    edited February 2023

    Hag was always unpopular so it only makes sense that with new, faster and more loop controlling killers coming out she would lose even more favor.

    Couple issues with hag that make her less desirable to play:

    She is slow

    She is short

    Her traps can be disarmed by flashlights

    usually people give up or DC against her because she is boring to play against-iron grasp to basement, MYC, (Franklins if a flashlight is in lobby) return to hook, rinse and repeat

  • Brokenbones
    Brokenbones Member Posts: 5,172

    A lot of Hag's playstyles revolved around splitting pressure via anti-healing and catching injured survivors in a web of traps then either protecting their hooks or protecting a set of generators

    Hag's camping was nerfed with basekit BT/other endurance perks but also boons make splitting pressure basically impossible because you can put a boon on the 'non-hag' side of the map and basically you will never be caught injured. Unlike Knight, Hag is also 110% meaning she can't commit to chases as easily

  • Mr_K
    Mr_K Member Posts: 9,228

    She's in the basement with 20 traps.

  • Steakdabait
    Steakdabait Member Posts: 1,280

    she's a good killer what? she's just not fun for most people to play and is extremely hated by survivors

  • sizzlingmario4
    sizzlingmario4 Member Posts: 6,932

    CoH killed the few remaining Hags that were out there. And there already weren’t that many before then.

    And I’m not complaining because games against Hag are miserable.