Why are Killers not receiving changes with their midchapters?

dredge could receive some buffs imo, actually he's too weak

knight need map of the realm as basekit in order to make him somewhat viable, otherwise he's awfully bad to use

wesker hmmm... he has more problems regarding maps, his power is fine

sadako is a weaker but faster spirit able to see people while using her power

twins are still unplayable but as you said they are "chilling" on that killer

I think the problem is, that the devs base their balance decisions solely on kill rates and not hooks. So on paper the killers look stong.

Surely they could just consider a kill to grant whatever hook states remain on that survivor, just like the HUD does.

I think it's more equivalent to 3 hooks than it's not.

PH requires the survivor already being at stage 2 (and being tormented on top of that), so it's not really any different from a standard mori.

Onryo condemned requires an absolutely insane amount of work in a specific play style, to the point where it probably takes as long as 3-hooking anyway.

Myers tombstone requires stalking everyone almost completely. Like Onryo, it's a significant time investment and good survivors will win against it easily.

I don't think it's unreasonable at all to consider the killed survivor having been hooked 3 times for any of these mechanics.

I would not say current MMR is "skill based", but "try hard based".

That Bubba tried hard deserved to increase MMR and play against better survivors.

I see no reason why Bubba should get easier team after that match.

Basement Bubba isn´t exactly try harding.

Why would he deserve to be matched against better players? Standing around isn´t exactly skilled. While it may not be the optimal, i think it might get boring fast for those Bubba players to only face "low mmr" players.

At least i would get bored fast.

Thats why i said the system needs to change. Under a previous rank system, just getting 4 kills without any chases, wouldn´t be considered a win. It would have even been a depip.

The problem is that killing or escaping is seen as win. When its just more bloodpoints. Someone who did 2 gens, 2 unhooks, heals, etc. Should get their mmr increased. Even when dying. Because they contributed to the match.

A basement Bubba should depip for not doing anything during the match. Maybe an alternative to increasing or decreasing the mmr would be more suited. Like matching that player with players that do the same. Aka stay a lot afk/suicide on first hook/dc often.

No system is perfect. But decupling kills escapes from the mmr and just base it on actual skill would be fairer than what we have now.

You´re are just describing the issue with the current system. Someone could farm points and die on purpose/let survivors escape to prevent increasing the mmr.

Doing something is progressing the match and therefore should be taken into account for the mmr. Finishing gens and getting unhooks IS progressing the match. Its not fooling around and doing nothing, like someone who just hides the whole match, does nothing and escapes.

For example, yesterday i had a match where the survivors were clearly superior to the killer. Then the gates were powered and only i escaped, because the other 3 refused to leave. Probably to tank their mmr. Points wise they would have ranked up. But since they died, they lowered their rank.

So basing it solely on kills/escapes can be manipulated to easy. Also, someone who afks or does nothing, would end up in the same bracked as the basement Bubba until both change their playstyle. Which would improve the game experience for everyone else.

They were busy making the dull merchant masterpiece.

How do you separate out those killers? Serious question.

This all comes down to "how do you evaluate skill?" And it's an impossible question to answer.

Kill/escapes rates ARE a measure of skill, via proxy, because the higher skilled you are, the more likely you are to kill/escape. It's the only objective measure available, all others are subjective.

The same way Emblems were assigned. (almost) All Hooks = kills, barely points in chaser and malicious, afk timer procced, proximity to hook procced, etc.

Same for afk survivors/suiciders on first hook. System checks if the other survivors are alive (not slugged) and if the survivor intended a kobe + failed the 2 skill checks.

If those players get marked for playing like this an X amount of matches, they get matched against each other. Once they start playing normal, also X amount of matches they get back into the normal queue.

But just surviving isn´t = skill. I´ve seen survivors escape with half the points the dead survivors had. They were doing nothing during the whole match and just jumped from one locker to another. Thats not skill for me. Every system we had in place to rank up, would depip that player. But with the "skill" based mmr, its suddenly considered skillful?

The most efficient and easiest way to win as killer is tunneling & camping early, because turning it into a 3 v 1 at the start of the game pretty much guarantees a 3-4K with any killer on the roster. You may not think this is a skill but BHVR says otherwise. While I understand your point and do think there should be a better measurement of skill in this game, I have to agree with Seraphor: the only objective way to measure skill in this game is by kills and escapes, unless BHVR changes core features of the game.

The truth is that the developers fundamentally do not understand their game. I do not even want to type the alternative as that might sound like criticism for which I might get banned.

1. They do not play their game at a level where they can make fair/balanced changes to high tier play. Therefore they do not balance for high skill players (largely speaking). When M. Cote got schooled in Korea while playing Hag he was told : "If you were better at the game then this game would have better balance".
2. Survivors having fun = company makes more money. Therefore for 6 years the gameplan was keep killer just barely playable and make sure survivors had fun. Before they bought the IP from the parent company they were under a mandate for ~2 years where they were told not to nerf survivors again.
3. Most of the game decisions trivialize playing any killer other than Nurse/Blight due to map design and game mechanics. Why are there even maps larger than 9000m²? Killers with no movement power should either never play maps larger than that or no map should be that large.
4. Why do we have so many loops in game that remove all ability of the killer to "get you" if you are an M1 killer? It's a 100% hard stop that completely invalidates playing that killer archetype. At the very least all such killers should probably be buffed to 120% movement speed.
5. The survivor objective can be completed in under 3 minutes. The fastest I have seen is around 2 minutes and 44 seconds. Generally speaking the killer objective takes about 6-8 minutes to win the game. A killer can only win very quickly if the survivors make a massive mistake. An average comp game takes about 4 minutes to finish the generators. A skilled SWF without the rules to limit perks/items to one instance each can do it much faster consistently.
6. Killers have no "reassurance" or "deadlock" base kit but survivors have plenty of anti tunneling and gen rushing perks. This highly contributes to why the killer objective is so slow. Can you imagine if the killer had a perk that read : after kicking a generator that generator cannot be interrupted from the regression state for 20 seconds. Furthermore the killer has 1/4th of 1 survivor as their base regression speed. There are 4 survivors so they have a 16x advantage potential over the killer. This is foolish.
7. Killers have no reliable method to "rush" survivors to their death on hooks. Survivors have TONS of methods to rush generators. If you think generators are "fine" when someone can complete one in 40-45 seconds alone then maybe hook states should be able to be rushed by 60% too. The takeaway here is that generators probably need to be more like 120 seconds base if we are going to have so much rushing OR make no more than 10% of the total time be allowed to be "rushed" by a single player. In other words after 9 seconds of "proving thyself" you get nothing.
8. Killer perks are not allowed to have Synergy. You are not allowed to "chain" Pop goes the Weasel with Oppression. Survivor perks are allowed to have synergy. You can use Stake out and not hit great checks and be rewarded as if you did - to get that ~40 second generator.
9. Playing killer is not really fun compared to a SWF because you are alone and have no interaction. In fact you need to isolate yourself from other friends on discord playing other games because you need to hear nuanced breathing. On the topic of SWF : they are broken and heavily contribute to "unfun" feelings for killers. But they will not be nerfed because it makes survivors happy. In fact all survivors got huge buffs with the hud changes and killers only got harder games that are less fun to play because everyone has SWF levels of info.
10. Multiple game elements allow survivors to prevent a killer from getting hooks. You can make a flashlight or pallet save to prevent a hook. Even DH fits in this category as it can extend a chase by 30 seconds because it exists. Imagine if missing a skill check or even being interrupted from working a generator caused that generator to lose 30 seconds of progress. That would be reflective of what it is like sometimes to play killer. You could spend 40 seconds getting two hits on a survivor only to have the rest of the team body blocking the hook. Now you have to spend another 30 seconds chasing that person down - again.

Chase music no one asked for. Hag players have been wanting bug fixes and a rework. Even her Halloween cosmetic is still bugged. She has addon bugs from 2018.

Chase music is not showing love to the character

Didn't Knight wesker and dredge all receive changes during a midchapter?

small sure but they did receive them

But the players left aren´t bound to be the more skilled ones.

I´ve seen survivors lead the killer to their teammates. Intentionally or accidentally. Themselves going down in under 10 seconds, while the other survivors could keep the killer busy for over a minute.

Or survivors that hide thought the match and do nothing. Like literally, yesterday i saw a stream of Hens333. Where the other 2 survivors did absolutely nothing while he looped the killer for ages. There was only 1 gen left and they just did nothing.

Chess isn´t a game?

Anyway, we´re are getting kinda off topic here.

As this was about balance decisions and Onryo not getting any buffs, despite her heavy addon reliance. Because the devs don´t look at hooks but only at kills.