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Why shouldn't I tunnel?
Everyone in post-chat likes to complain if/when they get tunneled, and treat you like the worst human being on earth. Here's a question that should hopefully challenge your conceptions about the game: why is it wrong to tunnel?
Tunneling is objectively the most optimal way to play the game, because the pressure is split amongst 3 people instead of 4, and it makes a 1 or 2 gen remaining scenario mathematically winnable. One downside of tunneling (if you wanna call it that) is that one survivor in particular isn't having fun being targeted.
Now, here's the thing, and this comes down to the anecdotal. Every time I'm playing a killer below B-tier, and I decide to play "fair" and not tunnel, I'll typically get 2-3 outed, maybe even a 4 out with bodyblocks, and I will get mass teabags at the exit gate. This is a massive slap in the face; the survivors are openly being toxic against a killer who didn't use the tactic that most consider the holy grail of toxicity. This provides me (as well as other people) with an added incentive to tunnel - if a higher chance to to win wasn't already enough.
It can be argued that playing optimally (or being "sweaty") when the people on the other side aren't doing so is toxic. However, how do you establish how a group of survivors intends to play? If you figure out too late that they're not messing around, the game may already be lost, with the last 3 gens being on opposite corners and the survivors being on first hooks. Even thus, it can also be argued that most survivors nowadays are learning to play the game in a very optimal way by default.
So again, in the current state of DBD, why is it so wrong to tunnel? Survivors certainly aren't shy about splitting up on gens across the map, doing 4 different ones on 4 different corners of the map, as well as bringing loads of second chance perks, and stacked medkits, and BNP toolboxes, and taking hits. If it's okay for survivors to play as optimally as possible, why is it looked down upon for the killer to do so?
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You can do whatever you want
Just don't be shocked when people get irked at you in the chat or whatever
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Weaker players get eliminated fast in video games. A concept foreign to a lot of survivor mains.
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Mmmm. I love the salty tears of bad sports,
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If you want to tunnel, then tunnel. However consider the following. Survivors know if someone is tunneled out with 2-3 gens remaining, it is pretty much a loss unless the remaining 3 are a well coordinated swf. If you are tunneling at 5 gens, you more than likely have slowdowns stacked (COB, Overcharge, PR, Deadlock etc), which further enable this strategy. For the person that got tunneled, the round was essentially pointless. For those that remain, the round is essentially hopeless.
And the truth of the matter is this: killer mains pretend like they are losing way more than they actually are. I'm willing to bet when you aggressively tunnel, you are winning way more than you are losing (and doing so with minimal effort/skill required).
If you really want to know why it's looked down upon, just go play solo queue for a month. You'll find out real quick how often games fall apart because 1 person is tunneled out early. From the killer perspective it's great because you win fairly consistently. From the survivor perspective it's just an eye rolling experience because you know how it will most likely end.
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If you want to tunnel, just tunnel. Most people are just going next and most people really don't care, and if someone sticks around post chat they are literally just wasting their own time.
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I mean go ahead.
DBD's a party game but if you're that pressed for the 4K no one's stopping you.
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According to the devs you are free to tunnel but don't expect survivors to shower you with praise for your chosen tactics.
It's effective but scummy, like camping in a corner or spamming fireballs. Yeah gratz....you won... Good for you.
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Just tunnel dude, no need to do a 3000 word essay justifying it. But don't expect people to be nice to you in chat because it's not fun to go against.
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If you're bad just say it.
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the same goes both ways. You can decide to gen rush but don’t be surprised that the killer is irked at you in the chat
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By the rules of hockey I can say the person being tunneled has the skill issue
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Well if you tunnel 5 gens remaining that is the most effient thing you can do if you have to win so badly. But don't expect survivors to like you... In that situation it is not really neccesary. 3 gens left then it is neccessary/justified and survivors should not complain I actually said sorry for tunneling in that situation to survivor and he answered it's ok and it was fair play as it was just last gen left. But I still felt bad for me doing that.
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Because, if survivor, even the better, make one mistake, it' can be the end for him
If the killer make one mistake, it's not a big deal...
When I play survivor, and see someone beeing tunneled for no reason, I become more "toxic" if you see that like that, try to save him, stopping the killer by using my body to block you or trying to be the "new obsession"
The only time I "T-bag" is for dodge the hatchet of the Huntress
Technically speaking, even without a dead survivor, you can always pip, survivor, even doing all the gen's, saving someone and beeing chased, you can have the probably to not having a new pip, even depip in some cases
When you tunnel or camp a survivor, he depip instant, if you don't kill somebody but got some hook, you don't have the same problem, even in the bloodpoint case, it's not the same
So yeah, after three or four game when survivor got tunneled or camped, I can understand this people get angry, the insult are stupid, but understantable
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As someone who splits my time up fairly consistently, I will give you both standpoints
KIller: It is wrong to say that you shouldn't play optimally, and in certain instances tunnelling is the only strategic method or you might just happen to find that one survivor again. As soon as you get that person out, the game goes downhill fairly quickly for survivors and you are pretty much set up for a win. Always do what you feel you need to do to get a snowball, so long as it isn't cheating of course
Survivor: When someone is tunneled out early on, it causes the enjoyment to be sucked from the game not only for the one being tunneled but for everyone else who now has to sit there and try to win a 3v1. When this happens multiple games in a row, it causes survivors to become frustrated as they feel there is no point to them playing the matches. It can be especially bad if the person it happens to is new to the game. I have watched friends become frustrated very quickly as they try picking up the basics only to be quickly taken out of the match. After about three games of this, they leave and never play the game again. The efficient strategy just cost the game another player.
Obviously it isn't either side's job to make sure the other has fun, but every now and then maybe we should give the weaker links a break
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You can do whatever you want. Just don't be surprised if you get hate. I've taken a break for now because the game is a mess. Tunnel every game if you find that fun.
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To begin with, tunneling isn't toxic, its just boring and unfun for the person targeted and the rest of the Survivors that want to get some chases, at the end of the day you play killer you choose how to proceed,, when i play weaker killers I prefer juggling between 2 survivors while ignoring the rest two so it doesn't feel as oppressive as being runneled of the hook,, i dont always get the best of results but i don't usually play for the 3 or 4 k,, i prefer chases and messing around,, however if survivors go super obnoxious i slap on spirit mdr /cherry blossom for my next game and vent off 😂
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A fair argument.
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I mean, you can? No one is gonna reach through your screen and physically stop you lol it's a much derided strat though, so endgame comments aren't going to be too positive
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Depends on if you set out to tunnel or you are reactive to the opportunity to tunnel. I won't go into a game looking to tunnel one out quickly, but if I get gen rushed and/or you keep popping up in my vicinity, I'm going to keep sticking you on the hook. I do giggle at how often a player you hooked once or twice ignores your terror radius and refuses to keep away from you and then gets the hump when they get caught again 🤨
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Because tunneling bring killers to MMR that they should not be there.
You can easily win teams that have equal skill of your by tunneling, just dont wonder why the game constantly putting you against Ayrun, Zubat alike after.
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Who asked?
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The problem is, the game is designed in a way that snowballs extremely hard for either side. So if you don't tunnel at 5 gens, then by the time you realize you "need" to tunnel, it is too late. Better to just play to win from the start, then chill out once the survivors show they are lacking the experience/skill needed to deal with it.
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Blatant tunneling deserves every pinch of salt it gets and more.
Strategic tunneling is a valid strategy.
An example of non strategic, salt-worthy tunneling would be The Pig tunneling an active trap.
A strategic tunnel would be facing a weak link in a SWF and killing them early.
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No tunnelling justifies being salty. No matter how you dress it up.
Neither does camping or gen rushing.
Being a sore loser who gets upset about a game is never justified.
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Pig tunnelling an active trap survivor isn't salt worthy. It's just amusing lol they're playing against their own power
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I don't personally salt over peopel that do it, but that doesn't mean people that do aren't in their own right to do so.
I wouldn't be happy if someone poured hot coffee on me at a cafeteria.
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Because it's ****** and unfun for the people you're playing against.
And probably why every survivor is intent on cranking gens as quickly as possible and then leaving; because they've been conditioned to do so in response to every killer tunneling every match and then holding a 3 gen hostage until everyone dies of boredom.
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They crank gens and leave because that's literally their win condition.
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Because I should be guaranteed x amount of time in a match even though no other PVP game does that. Also chases are unfun.
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It's been the win condition for the past seven years. It didn't become such an issue until the meta shakeup and everyone becoming brain poisoned to play as optimally as humanly possible.
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At this point to its show you have some skill at beating a team. Maybe we're biased from being tunneled 5/5 games though.
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Yeah no. Survivors who wanted to win always played efficiently and there was plenty of that before 6.1.0. Your implying survivors didn't try before that patch, which is wrong. Even if that was the case that would imply that could not try and still win before that patch.
Yes, the current killer meta is boring and getting tunneled isn't that fun for most people. But that in itself didn't really change anything on the survivor side, it just made some killer players boosted.
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I think you should be able to pursue whatever strategy creates the greatest chance you'll win.
BHVR's design though isn't about win conditions. People can play for the win, or bloodpoints, or hook states, etc. Some of the tactics for winning are rightly viewed as boring. As killer, in situations where I do have a survivor out early, I dread the rest of the game because of how boring it is going to be. Tracking and finding the 3 survivors who haven't been tunneled is so incredibly boring.
Mainly, do what you want, I wish BHVR would make some game element changes to penalize certain playstyles, but they probably won't, accept that tunneling will leave you in situations with survivors hiding out on you (I'll take a dozen teabags over spending five minutes playing find the survivor), and might push you into an MMR bracket you don't want.
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Good playing,wrong game design.
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Some people always played this way.
It didn't start to feel like the vast majority of matches until recently.
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I dunno, seems boring and takes no skill. I've had lots of killers try to do that to me, overcommit and lose. Bad idea, at least when trying it with me.
If I see someone getting tunneled I step it and try to do something.
My best games are where the killer doesn't tunnel and still wins, those are great, it's always more fun to go against a killer who has skill than one that has to resort to tunneling and making the match short asf and boring. I don't mind losing to a killer who doesn't do that.
I never tunnel either, never have and never will. So I have nooooo clue.
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I love the multiple "You CAN play like that but don't expect nice words" answers here.
As if playing normal or friendly would suddenly earn the killer niceties or praise 😂
80-90% it nothing, 5-10% it's blatant toxicity either way and the other 5-10% you might be lucky to get a GG or something nice. And the most GG come after getting stomped by the survivors (all anecdotal)
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Survivors will get mad at literally anything. You can go significantly out of your way to not camp or tunnel, and people will still rage in end game chat like you shot their dog or something.
I learned to just stop caring. Playing nice has gotten me exactly ONE thank you in nearly four years of playing this game (it was a Meg that kept running into me over and over, so I would slug her and chuck a hatchet at her on the ground so she could keep playing). People will either be ungrateful or get mad anyway.
You are under no obligation to play nice, because the survivors will pretty much never play nice. When was the last time a survivor went "Gee, this killer is having a hard time. Let's slow down on gens and give him a hook or two"? The closest you can get is survivors that don't burn map offerings or don't run Dead Hard solely because they know it's unfair.
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Actually, it's the opposite.
Right now efficiency is very high while resources are overabundant, so most killers in higher mmr matches go to desperation tactics right off the bat, lest they lose.
The higher gen efficiency gets, the faster the killer has to jump to desperation tactics to stand a chance i.e. tunneling, camping and hard slugging.
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It's your game. Play the way you want and don't give a toss about what survivors say. You're not playing for their fun. Also just avoid going to the gates at the end and leave them standing there looking like plonkers hoping you'll come over so they can be toxic.
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man listen im a killer just go for somone else after geting them to need to mend from deep wound
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if you camp on purpose you need to not play killer anymore
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i didnt let me put john wick
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Intentionally forcing someone out of a game for some perceived "statistical advantage" or whatever broke or lame reason killers mains and the devs love to throw around is absolutely grounds for being unhappy. If survivors were allowed to indiscriminately remove killers from the match for their own gain you guys would throw a massive fit. But nah, gotta love the double standards in this game.
But please, keep on with the mental gymnastics. Its amusing.
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Cool. By your logic then, when do survivors get to remove killers from the game because they're bad? By your own words, its a PVP game and its fair play.
Right???
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Im scared to ask, but how did the community come to the conclzsion that tunneling takes no skill?
Like "winning two chases on the same person" taking no effort?
Or does tunneling now include facecamping? Did they update the definitions again?
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sorry but that's just a bad attitude and it makes for a bad gaming community.
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You do realize that the entire goal of the killer player is to indiscriminately remove a survivor player from the game.
Making avoiding this the main threat that survivors are trying to escape from.
That's not mental gymnastics that's just the game as designed. It is amusing that you don't understand this because its pretty obvious.
Any method within the confines of the rules to achieve those goals is legitimate play, no matter how much the player base wants to make excuses for game outcome and attack each other over perceived slights.
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im not trying to be rude im just saying dont camp or play survivor i mean they literally have a camp set up
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I play a lot of both sides and usually go out of my way to play fairly and avoid attitudes that are considered toxic, but that being said, I do get situations where I play completely by the survivor rulebook for killers (no slowdowns, committing to chases for a reasonable amount of time, not sitting around a 3 gen, and only facecamping if i happened to catch someone after all the generators were already completed) and then get teabagged in the gates for getting a 0-1k in Cowshed on an m1 killer, and people giving "playstyle recommendations" like "hehe shouldn't have chased me."
Honestly dude, you can't win either way so just play however you want to play. If you want to get all the kills, do whatever is necessary to secure the 3/4k, if you want to play fair, then play fair, and when you've lost feel free to stare into a corner and leave the post game chat immediately to avoid the "cocky" survivors who look down on the people that play exactly how they ask you to.
The community is unkind, do what you want to do, do what you can to avoid the toxicity, and just have fun. If you can't have fun, it may be time to look elsewhere.
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