Bit of a Rant
I know why people play like this. I understand that they've likely just come off of a very bad game.
However, holy ######### ######### dude. Immediately tunnel someone off of hook, hold a 3-gen, slug to death. I get it, you need a bounce-back game but some people get WAY to into this power fantasy.
I'm not allowed to bleed out, my teammates won't pick me up and I'm definitely not allowed to play the game. This Doctor had zero interest in playing Killer, he just wanted to make other people as miserable as possible. Nobody was even good on my team, myself included. Jonah and I kept missing skill checks, David got instantly turbo-tunneled and Thalita wasn't even sentient for the first two minutes. She had three crows the first time I saw her.
It's just extremely frustrating to want to play DBD but to be unable to have even a half-quality experience with the game. I'm close to P100 and I want to get there but when the bonus is on Survivor, I think I'm just going to sit out from now on.
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Well, right now I'm 2/4 today in the "cruel and unusual punishments" category.
Doesn't count turbo-tunneling or instant 3-gen camping, if it did I'd be a perfect 4/4 so far.
I went to go make a sandwich and ate it while I was watching and taking clips. There's only so many sandwiches I can make ya know
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This game also has bully SWFs, that try to make the game miserable for the killer. And if they are a streamer, then you can hear them make fun of the killer the entire match.
Are you ok with survivors that purposely try to make the game miserable for killers?
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"I know why people play like this. I understand that they've likely just come off of a very bad game."
Did you miss the first line? Who the ######### is okay with people trying to make other people miserable?
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Both sides can be very rude to each other.
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I'm quite aware.
Just seems a whole lot worse recently.
At least if it's a good SWF, I'm not completely denied agency, I might be outmatched but I can play, ya know? With this though? I really can't do anything about it.
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Here we are, the victimist killer is already here
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It's just reactionary. People will automatically assume you are attacking them and if they already feel threatened by something else (ie, Eruption nerf and the perceived weakness of Killer), they will react and try to defend.
That's all, it's not something I would dig too deep into, honestly.
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Here we are, with another forum post trying to shame killers, because that is what this entire forum post is trying to do.
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If I wanted to shame them, I'd post their name 💀
Are you honestly going to sit there and tell me that this type of behavior is something to be encouraged?
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Sucks. But to be honest it rarely happens. I guess, adding a faster bleedout button wouldnt hurt anyone.
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That sucks :(
Thankfully I’ve never experienced anything like this but this is why a bleed out feature is needed. I know some people think it will be abused but if it means not dealing with things like this I’m fine with that
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I'm saying that whenever we have a forum post complaining about bully SWFs, we get told "it's not that bad" and "it's ok because they aren't doing generators when they are bullying". I'm saying that if these forums are going to make it a point to not care when survivors bully killers, then why should we care if killers bully survivors?
It's just like how some people think it's ok to ragequit as a survivor, but these same people want to shame killers that lobby dodge, because "people should play every match". If killers should play every match, then survivors should do the same, right?
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It's unfortunate that this happens. Take some solace in the fact that the killer probably gets dumpstered by good teams. I've always thought the way to address this issue is to A: reward actually winning a game, and B: giving players a way out of bad games that doesn't involve a d/c penalty. The community thinks it's somehow a virtue to sit through these games or be forced to sit through them. I think it's awful design oversight.
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You raise an interesting question.
Can you be "bullied" in a game that you won?
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Yes. And this is especially true with the bully SWFs that purposely die before the end of the game, so they can keep their MMR lower, so it's easier for them to bully in future games.
Likewise, if a killer bullies a survivor, but at the end of the game lets them get hatch, then it was still bullying.
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I dont think that everyone of those comes out of a bad game. Some people are just dicks and like to play like that. Getting some power-rush.
And honestly, it is worse when Killers do it compared to Survivors. Survivors at least dont hinder the Killer to make BPs, even if a Killer gets Head-On all the time and is stunned and blinded the majority of the game, they still get BPs. As Survivor slugged on the ground you get nothing. Let alone that the "bullying" most Killers complain about is teabagging, which has 0 impact on gameplay.
Here are two examples:
This Plague-Player tunneld the Survivor 3 and 4 out. Then they slugged Survivor 2 and found me last. Survivor 2 stayed for another 2 minutes on the ground until bleedout and myself... Well, I had the Plague puking on me for around 4 minutes. But yeah, poor guy, probably had a really bad game before and the logic choice is that a person completely unrelated to it will suffer. /s
Another example, Nurse:
She was standing on top of the Saloon. The other two Survivors took the 1 minute penalty over 4 minute bleedout... Overall the Nurse had 1 Hook and at some point, 3 were slugged and she just went for me and slugged me as well. No intention of hooking anyone. In Endgame Chat "EZ" and that we were some Nonames and she would only play Nurse for 10 hours. After saying that the Noname just called another person a Noname she revealed that she is actually a Comp-Player (dont know, dont care).
But again - probably just some poor soul who had a bad game before.
Nah, really. I mean, there will be instances of players who just want to let off some steam. But I think the majority are just dicks when they play like that.
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They call that a "Pyrrhic victory".
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Another us vs them post, a survivor main nonetheless. 🥱😴
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Yes, or at least an attempted bullying. I've won grueling matches against bully squads, and just because you win doesn't mean the experience wasn't miserable.
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I'm still not sure why you have to hide the names to post videos like this. The killer and survivor play within the BHVR game rules.
If BHVR don't want player to play like this, they could change the rules or ingame mechanics. As always, I don't understand why the developer is taking a two-pronged approach here.
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Just so I'm understanding, are you calling me a Survivor main?
Also, it's not really us vs them. The literal first line is that I understand why they do it.
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It's to prevent witch-hunting and I agree with their stance.
Being an ######### in a video game ≠ being subjected to harassment for it
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So, would the Killer equivalent of a "bully" squad be a Skull Merchant or Knight 3-gen?
Grueling, miserable games that you might end up winning but your experience was totally #########?
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Whenever I see this I have a hard time believing the Survivors were playing nice. If you want to Flashlight, Flashbang, Head On, tbag, and Bully with friends, be prepared for consequences.
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I have a Brown toolbox I got from a chest.
I don't know what David did, but he got turbo-tunneled off of first hook with 5 gens up.
Thalita was AFK for the first couple of minutes and Jonah couldn't hit any skill checks.
I took a single hit for David to buy him some more time.
I go out of my way to play nicely as Survivor because of all of my time on Killer. So, please, stop blaming me for other peoples poor behavior.
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Yeah this kind of player sucks. I feel like there are too many people who decide to play *like* a psychopath without empathy rather than just playing *as* a psychopath without empathy.
(And yes, survivors are included in this and can play like psychopaths, too... The phrasing just doesn't work out as nicely.)
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this should be a really rare scenario tho right? and in that case why wouldn't you dc and go next? leave match option exists for a reason.
also shouldn't this be bannable? since you're not getting hooked, denied bleeding out and teammates aren't getting you up it's a clear case if hostage holding to me.
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Maybe; I think of bullying as your opponent(s) trying to make your life miserable as much (if not more) than trying to win.
So maybe more of a power trip killer who slugs all game, smacks you on hook, bleeds survs out, and just tries to generally demoralize the survs. Sometimes you win those games, but they suck.
I think early game, hour long three genning is more about being so afraid of losing that you'll make everyone suffer a long miserable match (I can't imagine it's fun for even the killer) than intentional bullying.
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every action has consequences. people should think beforehand whether they want to present themselves that way. most actively choose to do so, and do so several times. the fact that the developer decides to sweep the deeds under the table in his sphere of influence makes him an accomplice.
making the game hell for others cannot be the goal. you complain about others' playing styles, but you still support their anonymity. but it is exactly these players that you created this thread for.
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A percentage of DBD players are extremely petty and would make countless threads naming and shaming people who didn't play in a way they liked regardless of the players intent, strategy or mindset if it was allowed. The community is already rife with people who have completely different definitions on what being """toxic""" even is so it's completely fair for the forum runners to not want that kind of content on their platform
Especially when it can lead to things like harrassment and so on. If a platform becomes a vehicle for harrassment then that responsiblity falls on the forum runners to moderate and deal with it which is why naming and shaming is banned.
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Survivor is pretty miserable in general right now.
Killer is also pretty boring right now, since most matches are steamrolls where players are either giving up or barely trying.
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Maybe look at this in a different light.
Maybe that killer player was roleplaying as the big bad wolf villain. An utterly unredeemable, cruel monster.
And by doing so he is giving the survivors a more authentic game experience. People often complain DBD has become a party game and that there is no longer any tension.
Perhaps relish the opportunity of a different experience? After, things could have been different and you might have won, overcome the terrible monster hell bent on reaping your suffering.
I do rolpeplay sometimes, though not to this extent and on a side note, as a killer main, there are few things more satisfying than facing a so called "bully squad" and ultimately break them, have them scatter before my superior power. And maybe, if I'm in the mood, let them go rather than giving them the finishing blow.
Just my 2 cents, a lot of things can be different depending on your POV
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now we are getting to a point. the forum runners are the same people who make the game. the majority of the players agree that certain are just toxic. an example would be bleedout, in which the killer stands over the survivor and nods the whole time, even though a hook is within reach. So it would be up to the developer to prevent this behavior ingame.
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Mmmm, no.
That's just psycho behavior
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Because they point out the cycle of stupid that leads to such things.
If you understand that it exists, you could step in and change it by altering both things and reducing player frustration.
This is of course separate from the occasional killer who wants to revenge annoy survivors.
And the sorta common SWF/TTV group that gets views by publicly attacking a killer in a random public match(as opposed to hiring a willing assistant for such a for profit venture).
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Basekit UB is likely BHVR's solution to bleedout games
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Lmao OK.
Guess there is no arguing with a zealot.
I hope your next games are more rewarding.
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I'm not convinced that uber tunneling and killing someone off at 5 gens, then bleeding people out, then refusing to let them bleed out is simply "oh, he's just roleplaying being a Killer"
This was four Solo's. He had literally already won a minute into the game. There was no bully squad.
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And it's a horrible idea.
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The reason is that the thread is positing that the behaviour displayed in the video is bad, therefore the killer player was in the wrong. That's why you can't show the name because otherwise it's 'naming and shaming'
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This right here is why I've stopped playing DBD recently. Sportsmanship is dead.
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you are right but there is no system in place to punish bad behaviour.
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You said it yourself, dude probably was nice and didn't camp/tunnel and got teabagged for it in the exit gates and told gg ez. So he stopped being nice and played to win. Sometimes people just want to blow off steam. It's funny to play insidious Bubba and facecamp someone to death after having to play against back to back sweat squads
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I 100 percent agree with the fact that the slug to death was unnecessary and that the killer you got was more than likely just looking to ruin someone else's experience. However I do have to point out that in some cases a tunnel or 3 gen camp is a strategy that has to be used if you are looking to tip the game in your favor. Without it, some killers are going to get ran over by a team.
That being said, when you stop caring about winning or losing and make your sole purpose to ruin the match for someone else like this killer, you should probably take a break for a bit. Unfortunately there isn't a whole lot to be done apart from move onto the next match or take a short break yourself to prevent getting frustrated
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I don't condone it I mean its unnecessary to play like that and having a bad game previously isn't really an excuse for doing so.
But let's play devil's advocate a little here, you could at least appreciate the slasher film nature of a game like that.
I mean its thematically on point and finding even the positive in that kind of experience can often just improve your outlook on games in general.
People talk about bullying a lot in this game but I gotta admit when playing survivor I'm more forgiving of the killer being a jerk for a couple of reasons.
Most killer jerk moves have a timer, 4 mins bleed out, 3min hook state and you die, leave game and move on. The game still progresses albeit much slower than normal. Because there is a timer that ends these things that is mostly outside the killers control so while things stall they don't tend to stall much beyond the timers.
It often fits the theme, a killer trying to murder me in the most brutal way kinda works because, for example I wouldn't expect leatherface as a character to be thinking of my feelings.
So I'm happy to forgive a lil more jerk on the killer side just because as someone who likes this game for the theme it strikes me as a thematically appropriate way for the killer to play if they choose.
(Not everyone will agree with me on this and they don't have to... but before you accuse me of supporting bad behaviour just take a moment and think about your outlook on the game and how much a game like this ruins your fun, what I'm saying is only a perception to help reduce your own frustration if this sort of thing upsets you... so give the point of view a try before you call me the devil).
Whereas jerk survivor behaviour, it typically involves mob mentality which is usually unpleasant, it's generally out of character thematically, but its harmless for the most part because as pointed out by others bobbing up and down can't hurt you or impact the game so why let it.
But when coordinated teams really commit it tends to stall the game completely, you can group chain locker stun and blind the killer for 30mins of 0 game progression if you like and I've seen it and I've played teams who've tried it.
So the most egregious offences killers tend to employ typically have a timer that's largely out of their control so you can leave game and move on, the same isn't necessarily true for the most egregious survivor offences.
Fortunately games like this tend to be rare, buts it's more likely you'll come across a killer hell bent on playing like this than a full group of survivors out to stun lock you... still I think it's a lil more forgivable from the killer because well I don't expect to be murdered politely.
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He wasn't playing to win after he tunneled someone out at 5 gens.
He just wanted to make people miserable afterwards.
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I mean tbf tunneling one person out at 5-gens is an efficient strategy. You can thank BHVR & killer mains for that.
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average doctor player
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This is why 90% of my DBD time recently has been on Twitch. The occasional fun match doesn't excuse the other 10 horrible ones.
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Slugging, camping, and tunneling are also mechanics in the game. The argument goes both ways.
Killers can be mean with slugging and bleeding out. Survivors can be very mean with blinding and stunning. At least the bleed out bar has a timer.
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