Dev Update (April 2023)

Any chance we can get a release date for this patch?

I know it might be asking for a bit too much after giving us such a great dev update, but I just cant wait to get my hands on it :)

I also think that to be honest and i also think it only should trigger when a gen really has 25% progress or more, otherwise it's a bit waste when it triggers 4 times for a gen which has maybe 5%.

Wonderfull changes, this is pretty much exactly what the community wanted.

No more Billy nerf, good compromise with the healing by still nerfing self healing but keeping altruistic healing the same, further tweaks to the perks.

This has pretty much been the perfect ptb. Drastic changes to then fine tune them after feedback. I can't wait for the update!

You can run multiple Exhaustion perks though, as long as you can "control" when the other perk activates (so basically as long as it's not Sprint Burst). Use something like Balanced Landing in your first chase and then Dead Hard after you get unhooked or something. Spending half your perk slots on Exhaustion perks is probably a very terrible idea however I admit.

I also feel like this change probably kills the perk but it's an option you can run sometimes.

Personally I think I would have preferred adding protection hits as an activation method in additionto unhooks. At least that way you're actively losing a health state to potentially gain one in chase.

This way it turns it into an effective anti-tunnel perk though, which isn't awful.

Agree massive step in the right direction from the original.

Dead Hard - I think this is overcomplicating things. Why not just have it - Dead Hard is not available until you have at least one hook state?

I get the idea of what is happening with DH. Early game DHs can really set the killer back before he has pressure, that's a good change. The current wording creates a max of two uses. Even with the above suggested change that's still what would happen most of the time, but creates the possibility of a survivor getting away and recharging DH when exhaustion wears off. That's the kind of advantage survivors sometimes need later in the game once the killer has a ton of pressure.

But a great idea to limit it's early game use and to not attach it to unhooks as that is way too hard for soloQ and easy for SWFs.

Circle of Healing - The boost was the obvious thing needed to make the perk potentially viable.

Pain Res - Creates an interesting scenario. There are lots of games where I'm on a generator where I know the killer is taking the survivor to a hook. Sometimes I finish the gen right before the hook (killer wasted a lot of time), sometimes the killer catches me right before the finish. This change amplifies that effect.

I think that is a good game design, but others might disagree on that as the game can swing based off a couple of seconds.

Healing Revert - Had to happen. If for no other reason you shouldn't be changing base kit and meta perks at the same time. You nerfed the major killer and survivor perks (plus a powerful survivor addon) - throwing in such a massive basekit change is not the right time for trying something like that out.

Not to mention is that it was having lots of (potentially) unintended side effects on slugging and self care.

Med-kits - When the PTB was first announced I wasn't sure about this. I almost never run top level items/addons. Since it was announced I've been burning through my purple and green medkits. Yeah, I see the complaint, they give such a massive advantage to have.

Please don't go through with the CoH change. You may have killed the solo side of the perk, but it will be completely broken for SWFs. These changes were to reduce the amount of fast heals.

This isn't coming back, right?

Legion ? =D

All the love for fellow Legion mains !! <3

Great changes overall. Thanks for listening to player feedback. If I may, I'd like to suggest one additional change to pain res. With there only being 4 tokens, it feels bad if you waste a token when there isn't even a gen at 25% progress. For example, from my experience a lot of times you down the first survivor and just as you are about to hook the survivor a gen pops (likely the only gen being worked on). So you lose a token and don't get any significant gen regression. It would be nice if it only lost a token and activated if there is at least one gen with 25% or more progress.

"revert the healing nerf"

They directly attacked the self healing so it will take 24 seconds with any medkit (33% speed and efficiency penalty for self heal with a medkit). the altruistic healing was reverted to 16 because it was not only an unnecessary change but also impacted more than just the healing, it was affecting recovery speed too and had it take 48 seconds (which is longer than would have been for the finishing mori/basekit unbreakable) to get up off the ground without perks, and even with the help of another survivor. Basekit altruistic healing at 16 seconds is fine, it takes up the time of two survivors. People can no longer self heal in 8 seconds which was a huge problem, maybe actually read further into an update at least once, this is hugely beneficial for killers.

What exactly do you mean by "self heal times should have been kept"? If you mean as they currently are on live servers, they are far too fast and efficient, with addons/green medkits. If you mean as they were on PTB, they actually are being kept at 24 seconds, and only the basekit altruistic healing is being reverted to 16 seconds. This is good, there is more incentive to heal other people with a medkit, if you heal yourself it is significantly slower and takes the entire medkit (if it has no addons) to do so

If anyone from BHVR could respond, I'd really appreciate it.

Will DH still deactivate if you whiff it? It did on the PTB and I was wondering if you were planning on keeping that change moving forward.

Thanks!

I was afraid I was only gonna play killer starting next patch but I'm pleasantly surprised. Patch is mostly a win all around. Kicking gens is only fun for a time, after all.

Changes to self heal should hopefully make chases more worthwhile. Can't wait to see how things go.

Single use attempt. BHVR has stated multiple times their original wording was incorrect.

I think you really have upset a lot of killers now. Still get decent games but against a swf on comms that just wants to gen rush it's going to be even more diabolical than it already is.

Way to go.

The base healing and billy add ons changes shouldn't have seen the light of earth in the first place. It was a mistake that could easily killed the game. I don't know why you thank them.