Is Legion truly braindead?
Now, I think every killer requires quite a bit of skill to play, some more than others. I love Legion a lot, but they just seem so bad yet powerful at the same time. The way I play Legion is to hit someone in Feral Frenzy and look for the other survivors if they are nearby, try to hit everyone in the terror radius and then normally chase after the final person I hit. But then there's the players that just straight up ignore the pressure that Legion can apply and decide to just go after one specific survivor and hit them 5 times in Feral Frenzy. Then there's the moonwalking or just looking at the ground (which I try not to do unless I need the down) which simply just feels cheesy at times. Then there's all the streamers saying Legion is the worst thing to happen to this game, heck even Tru3 and Marth don't like them that much. So is Legion, really that bad for the game? I honestly really like them but with everyone complaining about them and so many mixed opinions on the character, it just makes me not even want to touch them. I'm so conflicted on them. When I play survivor I don't have a problem facing them, but this is just from my experiences. What do you guys think of Legion? Are they trash? Are they just annoying? Or are they just played wrong?
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They're a mess of a killer and desperately need a rework because no one likes facing them.
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I think Legion is fun :)
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The only ones that enjoy Legion are the people that play them. But when your DC rate is higher than your kill rate, there's an issue
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No one likes getting looped, killer or survivor hitboxes need a rework.
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You don't have to get looped if you break off a chase to find someone else. I hardly see how that's any bit similar to this.
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I think the Legion is fun to play. It gives you an opportunity to combat gen rushing, and play a divide and conquer style. Tunneling isn't needed, though it is an unfortunate mechanic which plagues the character.
Honestly not every killer is going to be fun. They are all differently played and it means some of us will be better then others with certain killers. I'm horrible with Billy even though other players are awesome with him.
I like having the legion focus on keeping people away, and I like targeting different character types based on the cosmetics I'm wearing.
I will say that as a survivor they give me the most fear when playing. They are I think the strongest killer in the game now. From personal experience I find the Legion easier to kill people then other killers, and I find myself dying against them the most. I feel like Michael and Billy are up there. The nurse is a little more hit or miss on the console then the computer even if she is still fun to play.
I don't know what could be done with legion to make them an easier to play against character while not weakening them. Maybe add in a stronger effect, like half the time of the bleed out, but are it so the character you hit within maybe 15-30 seconds after the first one is an instadown. So You don't tunnel the main survivor, but there is a higher stake in not healing quicker. Maybe make it so that the survivors in your terror radius leave scratch marks for 4 more seconds or something. Remove the aura thing.
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Legion is bad designed and not good for the game. It is fun to play with multiple Stabs and the Speed, but yeah, he is braindead. You can miss 3 hits and still get the 4th without any penalty.
And no, Legion does not help with Gen Rush, he forces Gen Rush. No need to heal vs Legion, he is a 110% MS M1 Killer without his Ability. Basically a Huntress without Hatchets. So he gets looped quite easily, and honestly, when he then goes into his Frenzy to hit me, this is fine.
On the other hand there are his "tactics" like looking down or moonwalking, which are simply bullshit. Same goes for Franks Mixtape, yeah, you need 3 hits to down a Survivor instead of 2, but the first two are free...
Furthermore, there is no variant in his playstyle. With every Killer you can improve and try new things, not possible with Legion.
He is simply bad designed and broken, he cannot be nerfed or buffed. Best thing would be to remove him from the game until he is reworked, maybe give two free cosmetics to everyone who bought it when he comes back to compensate for it or so.
Also his points are simply dumb. It is so easy to Rank Up and get many BPs with Legion...
I am at the point where I simply want to DC once I see that the Killer is Legion. And I never had this feeling with any Killer, I can also get wrecked by a godlike Nurse or whatever, more enjoyable than playing vs Legion, even if the chases are long, but they are still quite dumb...
Even playing him feels wrong for me. Had a daily to apply 4 times the Deep Wound effect. After doing so I went afk in the Basement, because I cannot play something which I dislike that much.
But yeah, overall I would say he is braindead. By far the easiest Killer to play and to Rank Up.
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Legion is a good killer. They have a lot of power and are fairly punished for this power by having a base speed of 110%.
I'm working on a fleshed out guide to playing Legion so I have to keep this brief, but Feral Frenzy is the definitive generator pressure killer. Most killers find a survivor and maybe get to use their power and commit to a chase. This lets anyone lurking nearby to work on the generator unhindered while you chase Sir or Madam loopsalot for a while.
Legion has none of that nonsense.
With Killer Instinct they know if someone is lurking nearby and they will find them and hurt them. Plus, Deep Wounds forces survivors to leave the generator or be downed.
As an added bonus, after chasing everyone off of a generator the Legion can vault pallets and ruthlessly track a target with Deep Wounds to force a down. No pallets or vaults can stop the Legion and they have some free time at the chase's start where everyone else is mending so he can commit to the chase.
Yet, as long as everyone heals and splits up this is considerably harder to do.
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If the new killer is one of those "fun", unviable killers again, then I will buy legion aswell and protest by becoming a legion main
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Legion matches are about as much fun as getting a root canal.
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Unpopular opinion: Legion is fun to play and play against. I like playing legion because he feels so casual to play. You never play legion going in like "I'm gonna get a 4k and be sweaty". It's all just for fun and I can enjoy that.
And when I play survivor against a legion, I just see it as a fun challenge. It's going against someone who has the exact same abilities as you do, and it feels like its up to each player's skill in order to either escape from them or get hit by them. However, he does have his flaws.
First off, I find myself getting EXTREMELY cheeky knife hits in frenzy. Secondly, deep wounds + sloppy butcher is annoying because it takes SO long to actually get back to full hp, and when you do, you can already see little ol' Franky comin' on back. Lastly is Frank's mixtape... That is some powerful stuff...
Taking everything into consideration, I'd say that the Legion is not a bad killer (by fun factor, not power). I'd play Legion over clown or spirit everyday of the week. Clown is just boring to me, and so is spirit. They're good killers, but unfun to play as (and sometimes against).
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I’m watching you.
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We know how long it takes reworks to happen so dont expect it happening anytime soon
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I think you need a brain to tell your finger to press W.
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Trust me I'm not expecting it. Just hoping the new killer doesn't end up being similar.
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Another day of being a Legion main on the forums.
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I love playing as and against legion, you really should heal though, I love cooldown and speed add ons so I can get close for the m1 and it usually works pretty well for me. And yes to someone reading this it counters gen rush.
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I enjoy playing as Legion and against Legion myself. I think what hurts most people is their definition of fun and how the killer is used. I know how I use the killer is fun because I'm not a top tier killer, but even if you're top tier you can make it fun by your choices.
In my opinion the killer should be strong enough to feel like when you are found by the killer you have that fear of a short chase and to me that's what keeps it fun with me while being casual. I always feel you should feel like you should have that fear with any killer and there are times where I'm thinking I can outrun the killer and evade forever. Doc, hag, trapper, etc aren't really that scary at all as long as you play right.
Hell, I love playing Freddy and there is a lot of negative about him, but I still find him fun. The ones I don't find fun are Nurse (because I'm horrible and even if I was great it may be boring because then I could catch everyone pretty easily) and Cannibal because I feel he is way too add-on dependant for me because of that damn chainsaw. Basically turns me into an M1 because I refuse to insidious camp people.
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The issue is survivors who feel the need to dc instead of playing out the game.
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June - The Clown +5,712.0
September - The Spirit +2,363.7
November - The Legion -3,971.9
I don't know what else you need.
I think that the legion was the worst thing that they created, a failure.
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I love playing against Legion. But ffs, don't buy that "you don't need to heal" #########. Next thing you know, a smart M&A Legion walks around the corner and one-shots you because you think that. Then you get mad at him, like it was his fault you didn't heal.
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You know that could also have to do with the fact that the game was on sale shortly before the clown came out. Then was on sale again in October and had no sales in November up to now.
Any researcher with a brain knows that correlation and causation are not the same thing.
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@TreemanXD Beware of Legion mains spreading the myth that survivors should heal against them! 😀
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@NoShinyPony xD btw legion main here and my survivors get forced to heal with how I play. 😁
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In chases he is pretty straightforward (until you find a survivor that know what he's doing), but I think he requires some strategy to use Deep Wounds at its best to slow down the game.
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DCs are only a problem if you are a non-salt miner; should you ascend past rank and score, you will bath in the salt of the DC.
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I believe that's called "easy-mode"
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I was on Legion earlier today, Discordance went off within seconds of the match starting so I was of cause instantly there and both of them immediately disconnect.
People aren't happy, they don't like playing vs cheese mechanics like Legion and if something isn't done about it it will just continue to alienate more and more much needed new players from staying and bolstering our rapidly dwindling player base.
And all banning people who DC will do is lessen the pool of players and hurt the long tern health, well being and future not to mention spread bad publicity and weaken sales.
The only solution is a Legion re-work/nerf to make it a more fun and fairly balanced and consistent class.
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Legion is brain dead. I have played Legion probably twice now for a daily. And I was bored out of my mind. I just didn't feel like I was killing them using my skill. So I don't do Legion dailies anymore.
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Good example I had yesterday:
Played vs a Twitch Streamer who played Michael (if I play with or vs Twitch Streamers I like to watch the VOD). He was not really good, he got one Kill because he camped someone in the Basement and another Kill because of NOED. He also did not really do any mindgames, he was just following people. Still he was Rank 1.
After the game ended, I saw his Killers, and he barely leveled them. None of his Killer was above Level 40, only Legion was P3 50. So he was quite a new player who got to Rank 1 with Legion, without even learning how to play properly.
And this should not be possible.
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If you know how the pipping system works you can get to R1 without being good at the game at all. For example as a survivor, just hide like crazy, do 1 gen and 2 safe unhooks, there you pipped.
As a killer just smack people, give up the chase and camp gens, there's your pip if you even hooked 1 guy.
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Survivors Ranking up is a completely different topic.
Basically, both, Killers and Survivors have it too easy to rank up. But to rank up with Killer, you need to actually understand what you are doing. Not when playing Legion, apparently.
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Legion needs mending.
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I don't like how survivors exploit looping which never was an intended gameplay mechanic (at least not to this extent), should we remove looping now and fix killer hitboxes so you can't outrun us anymore if you're heading around corners?
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Legion is just another m1 killer like the others, he has a tracking tool but is slower and survivors can screw up by getting caught while mending. That's about it, he takes the same skill as anybody else.
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