Tunneling

So if we can get the killer to spend 3+ gens worth of time tunneling us using the tools given to us, does that mean they don't exist?

Also what would you propose they do to "prevent" tunneling?

Thats exact to what I think about average skilled killers. And thats the most beautiful thing about MMR: keep their kill rate the same no matter how hard they try.

I really dont think that first idea would work so well...

The second point won't stop tunneling if the killer really wants to tunnel.

and the third is more a tangent, but again the above applies here too.

Preface: I mostly main killer, but also have two groups with whom I run the Fog, so my split is about 65/35

The thing is this: I know how awful the feeling is to get mercilessly tunneled at 5 gens with no option. So my standard MO as killer was to play fair and ignore the unhooked survivor etc. until 3 gens got done. But guess what? Due to the current meta and mostly destroyed gen regression with no compensation to the survivors ability to slam gens, I had loads of games were 3 gens popped at the end of the first chase, or worst: I picked the god looper and got chased for 3 gens.

What are you got to do in such a situation? Still ignore the only survivor with 1 hook stage and go for someone else? Roll over and die? Stand in a corner and sulk while the survivors go full on ego "lol gg eeeeeeeeez. Roll. You so bad lol"?

Back in the days I could go soft at the start and then shift gears once things got spicy. That's basically impossible, because now not only the good SWF groups split up on gens, even soloQ survivors know that this strategy is king and so if only two gens pop after the first chase, that's quite the reason to feel relieved. But as the killer you can't slack at all, unless you are against potatos.

I would really love to not need to tunnel, bif frankly, if you hit 1 gen remaining with 4 survivors, you lost the game. You can't possible defend a 3 gen against 4 healthy survivors, but with often 3 gens popping after the first chase, you can't turn it 3 vs 1 without hard-core tunneling. The games were I get the ball rolling fast are the most fun, for me. I interrupt a gen with 3 survivors on it, down one, hook and chase another and then it's hook and trade and hook while defending that gen and I don't need to tunnel. But this kinda games have a completely different dynamic due to the altered start.

And of course, I know that sadly most players are lazy. The situation was somewhat like this pre 6.1, but with survivors extremely safe due to several redundant safety nets. After 6.1 that was taken away and survivors tanked. I felt bad for them and slacked and relaxed my stance, but as we all know, a lot of killers, a lot of them probably ex survivor mains, lashed out viciously and with glee, tunneling and bullying with little opposition even though they didn't need to. And then survivors adapted, learned to split up and push gens with no looking left or right, especially after losing CoH as a side objective.

And now we have come full circle, with me having to play like a villain or face ridicule and shame. You can't change any aspect of this game without it making waves and having unforseen consequences, stuff is connected in weird ways.

I think Sadako and Pinhead shows how it's done: killers need to bring their own side objective with them. If you force to do something or else, it slows down the game enough that you can have again longer then 5min matches. We just don't need to be able to mori every survivor at 5 gens ^_-

Honestly don’t keep track of how many times it happens to me or not, it’s more of the question of how to affective, I see it happen a lot to teammates I get in with or me, and as above it happens at least the same way killer downs and hooks someone while the rest do gens, the person gets off hook, takes killler awhile to find them agains while the rest continue gens, killer downs and hooks the person again, 1 gen remains killer hunts person down and hooks them, last gen gets popped and 3 escape, the question I guess at the end of the day for me is how that’s affective, I personally don’t understand it, I read threads on how it’s viable, but in the things I see it really isn’t just trying to for the most part wrap my brain around it. That being said the above example doesn’t happen all the time there are times the killer tunnels 1 then, things all fall apart and everyone does get sacrificed, and there are times killers don’t tunnel at all, but more often than not what I see happening is as above where 1 gets tunneled and 3 escape, would really like to be able to wrap my brain around that situation maybe from a killer’s perspective. Last night’s post I was tired and probably came off as being more aggravated than I really was am just curious again from a killers point of view maybe I’m just really not unlucky on when I get matched

Playing efficiently by your standards is "Let's pick a person who's day I should ruin today." Being efficient is not playing the game as intended because people place to much punctuation on playing the game way more competetively and sweating all over themselves, same goes for those swfs who constantly play for saves non-stop and clicking flashlights and t-bagging constantly. Also it's sadly not trastalk if it's true.

And to comment to op's post as well, this has been an issue in multiple fashions, back then with literal facecamping, then tunneling so bt was effectively a must, then they made bt-lite basekit, and now they did nothing after (if i'm not mistaken) solid 1,5 years about this problem.

You're right, but none of them are solid enough considering the meta, and killers most of the times just outright deal with these one way or another, and none of them are worth runing anymore.

• DS got nerfed to 3 seconds, can only be used for 60 sec, and renders you almost completly useless for it's duration if you want to get any value or you outlast it.
• Killer counter mechanics got removed that gave survivors a slight edge at the start of a chase (think burning the wraith out of cloak with a flashlight/flashbang)
• BT is basekit, but with the perk on most of the times it just get curb stomped like most endurance perks because its just an extra health state which in a game where you get tunneled it's useless because all that means is the killer got a "fresh chase" for 15 seconds which is non-sense because most of the times either killers time it or survivors outlast it.
• OTR is a decent version of BT but with the same problem as ds as but with silent grunts/no aura reads.
• Other endurance perks mostly won't effect a killer who is tunneling except if you run something like the new buckle up and for the people or some similiar stuff preventing the downed survivor from dying.

My problem with tunneling is that if you want a solution you have to use a perk slot for it (minimum 1) and there is nothing in the game that gives the unhooked survivor a period of grace where they could actually get away and guarantee that they won't be harassed for that time.

You're not wrong but you're not right either. Smart is not equivalent to good. Smart survivors do their objectives the fastest way they can. So do smart killers. But good survivors will do secondary objectives as well because they are considering NOED (still an 11% pick rate perk since april) and other tide turner perks that can effectively win the game for the killer. And good killers will most likely apply pressure by snowballing in a game, and rather downing a freshly unhooked survivor instead of hooking them again because in most cases it applies more pressure.

Tunneling and camping make the game not fun for survivors. If the devs consider it acceptible, then why is there a DC penalty?