Why BHVR is so afraid to rework Nurse?

While the nurse is very much the most op in the right hands, it's not impossible to loop her although her add ons could use some adjusting

tbh since her add-on changes I find her somewhat alright. --- Though the removal of the burn mechanic kinda offsets that. She should have some additional counterplay aside from "Break LOS" - not least because theres a number of maps where its near impossible to break LOS.

You cannot nerf Nurse. She can only be reworked. Because if you nerf her, she will either stay overpowered (as we see currently, she got nerfed recently and nothing has changed) OR you nerf her so hard that she really becomes useless and the weakest Killer.

And both ways (nerfing not enough or nerfing way too much) are not really the way to go.

I think two reasons:

• They are afraid to rework her
• They dont really know how to rework her and dont even understand the problems with her.

Number 1 is easy - Killers would go riot if Nurse is reworked in a way that she might not be the broken Killer she currently is. Killer Mains always claim that she should be the strongest Killer because she is sooo hard to learn and that every Nerf so far gutted her. And as we can see, the Nerfs did barely anything. It is honestly a Joke at this point that Nurse, as the strongest Killer, gets away with slaps on the wrist while other Killers get Nerfs. Like, they nerfed Clown more significant than Nurse over the years...

And second - I feel like they dont really know what are the problems and how to solve them. Because they would need to change a lot of her power to actually make it matter. You cannot just nerf Nurse and call it a day, we have seen on multiple occasions that nerfing her does not work and she will always be, without a doubt, the strongest Killer in the game. And nerfing her to an extend that she is unplayable is also not really something which should be done.

But I feel that the Devs also dont really have a good understanding when it comes to nerfing Nurse. Like, they nerfed her in a way that her Blinks dont count as basic attacks. Which is fine. So Perks like Starstruck or Sloppy Butcher dont apply to her anymore. And in the same patch they give her a Mangled Add On. And guess what? Killers almost exclusively run this Add On because it is free Slowdown. Who would have thought?

But it is mainly the first point. And IMO it is a problem that you basically cannot lose anymore when you are really good with Nurse and also that the effort to win against most teams you encounter is so low compared to other Killers. When I compare my time it took me to become decent with Nurse and the time it took me to become decent with Billy, Nurse is probably only a fraction of time...

but good nurses are a rare breed. and there's no real in between a good nurse and say... "I could have attacked but I pressed blink again! #########!".

the vast majority of nurses a casual will ever see is not a good nurse. if even they even see one...

it is a good counter. just stop running the same way all the time.

nurse is insanely strong because of how precise she can be. and you can use it against her. give yourself as many options as possible and she will have to guess or safe blink.

also as it was said before, stealth. a searching nurse is what you want. not a chasing one.

I don't mind Nurse, but she's hard to go against when there's isn't alot of map clutter. And so many players complain about clutter on maps, and looking at new Rancid Abbatoir it seems BHVR are in agreement. If there's no way to break line of sight then she can be quite difficult to go against in my experience.

She just seems in a spot where there's no really effective way to change her without completely scrapping the killer in all important ways.

Her add-ons can get another look ig, but she's just too...unique to change much without just getting rid of the killer. Which isn't always a bad thing tbf, looking at you Chess Merchant.

And honestly she's not that hard to get good at. If you have a few functioning braincells, which yeah in all fairness much of dbd lacks those, she's simple enough to get the hang of, and to learn to the point of high lethality, maybe a day or two of getting into her kit.

Name a time the burn mechanic was a good idea and didn't end being thrown on a hook. 🤣

To answer your question simply because reworking a killer in the game just because people don't like them is something that shouldn't be taken lightly it's one of the reasons why they don't rework Hag or Cenobite. Let me ask you this, why should a killer be reworked just because you do not like them? Do you want another Freddy situation where the killer dies anyway because what made her unique before just isn't there anymore?

She is a strong killer, but to make her out to be this big issue like dead hard was where it was played in the vast majority of games is a huge overstatement. She has more comparisons with the pinnacle of swf by the way you are going with this, than dead hard, and even that isn't a fair comparison.

You can say something is unfair or shouldn't be in the game all you want, but the devs are unlikely ever to do anything unless you can provide accurate evidence to the contrary that Nurse really is some broken, ungodly entity that lurks in the shadows, just annihilating everything because atm the strongest killers in the game are Onyryo and Skull Merchant apparently. She is pretty mixed in performance, and plenty of my matches against her have also gone that way, where sometimes I lose, sometimes I win. Even when I do play a Nurse match, my games go either way. Most Nurses in the game aren't as strong as you are leading to.

If you actually have evidence to the contrary, though, Nurse is beyond a doubt stifling the balance of the game as well as being so absurdly op that it's comparable to dead hard, which had the most use out of any survivor perk in the game and went through 2 massive reworks and consistently became the most used survivor perk over and over again then go ahead. Because I just am not seeing this in the Nurse. She is nowhere near her prime state and is consistently one of the killers that you aren't likely to face. Please don't just give me a content creator video. I want to see actual data that puts enormous red flags that Nurse is that big of an issue because I am not seeing it.

The thing is, Nurse is, in most regards, not really a common killer to go against, let alone one that most people genuinely know how to play or can play. Otherwise, she would be the most played killer, but for most people, she isn't as strong or consistent as others would like to make you believe. Her addons are mediocre even before the additional addon pass, though recharge and range needed to be changed. Though you are typically not going to see any addons being used besides the mangled addon and maybe the fatigue reduction addon IMO. People were making it out to be a big deal with the Jenner addon, but I don't think I have seen a single Nurse I play against use it though. I guess it's cause the sample size is pretty small over here. Though it definitely didn't take up as big of a storm as people said.

"Good X player too good compare to bad X players and their opponents? Better nerf X"

If this sets an example, can we substitute X with "survivor" too? I mean good survivors run over like 25/30 of killers ez, or so i heard from sources as valid as those nurse nerf claims.

And wouldnt it be quite hypocritical to not use the same balance Logic on all characters?

• 2nd blink movement time is 1sec. Her range is 12m, you can run for 4m.
• Lung time is 1sec, her reach is 6m, you can run for 4m.

Its not up to you to decide, its up to how good Nurse is. If they're good, no matter your choice, you get hit.

The only chance for you to out run her lung range is she has to pause and check which direction before lung, good Nurse doesnt give you this precious time, she instantly lung post blink.

I dont complain on Nurse because great Nurse is rare; good Nurses makes the game end fast, I dont have to endure the pain; average Nurse feels fun.

These days it can even be argued that Blight is stronger than Nurse since her addons really don't give her that much whereas Blights addons are still busted af.

As for the ckunterplay part most players just don't know how to do it, obviously there is stuff you can do otherwise Nurse would dominate in comp without an issue, but of course you won't get a 5 Gen chase as you could against an M1 killer... Which I my opinion isn't bad at all the game is designed to let the killer get downs eventually there is a whole lot of mechanics that suggest that, delaying the killer long enough so you can finish the gens and escape is basically the goal not stomping the killer into the ground leaving him with 0 hooks after 5-7 minutes.

Is this some kind of new trend making thread with "Why is BHVR so afraid of X" ?

Just because Peanits felt like responding to one of them, doesnt mean he will to others.

Nurse has been nerfed already. Thats all we got after many years so just accept it and deal with it. I hate that killer since forever but I came to understand how BHVR does things. Just focus on making them nerf Blight add ons and be glad Nurses range add ons are finally gone

Devs balance killers around kill rates. So the reason you don´t see her getting nerfed into oblivion is, that her kill rate isn´t particuarly high. Thats it, thats the whole reason.

If her kill rate would show that she is as deadly as people claim, than she would have gotten a hard nerf. But this simply isn´t reflected in the stats. Also, how many years did it take the devs to nerf DS? 5 or 6?

to keep her from chain blink? that was super useful - especially if you had someone trail. Sure, it was a skill you had to practise but we had a fl enthusiast for a while who was pretty sure to extend your chase by quite a bit by denying her a chain blink. Similar to how fl-ing away Artists birds can be super useful.

Having cluttered maps doesn't mean you can break LOS - it mostly means janky and incomprehensible collision boxes. And I do get the impression that the complaint about clutter is more often getting stuck, have M2 collide with air and making pathing efficiently difficult. All of that is irrelevant for Nurse. Just look around a bunch of maps and see how far you can see and how many filler structures there are that can't be seen over. There aren't that many. And since most non-filler tiles (TL, four lane, pallet gym etc) have very few options for a survivor to go after breaking LOS. A predicting Nurse with some game sense has pretty much a 50:50 chance to hit with every blink - heck, in those tiles one of the most reliable ways to make her miss is to hol into a locker and pray to the ping gods. If a Nurse misses more than three blinks on you or walks you down it's just not a good Nurse.

I mean, are we talking blight with add-ons or nah? His top 4/5 in certain combinations put him ahead of nurse on some maps. Iri-tag/alch-ring blight is a pub stomper set up with no equal, that's true. But alch-ring/green speed, adren/c33, c33/green speed and iri-tag/green speed put blights potential above nurses, although that's assuming the blight is really good. Nurse just takes 5 games and 2 videos to start auto winning vs 95% of teams. Blight has no skill ceiling so there is no definite way to say nurse is stronger when including add-ons.

I always say this: Nurse gets 85% of her power from basekit(approximately) and Blight can get a potential increase of 200%(vs really good players) - 400%(iri tag/ alch ring against far worse players) from add-ons.

My point being that if you want to contest such a well coordinated swf it should require the amount of knowledge high level blight takes. Nurse is simply safe blink, no gambling, no mindgames, just win, unless there is some absurd luck based LoS blockers. So even if bhvr considers nurse to be a crutch to fight the 1-5% swf people rarely go against, there is already a much better and healthier supplement.

Perhaps Nurse pick rate might be the issue? If they nerf her till the point that she’s unusable (BHVR can and will do that) and there are lots of people who play her constantly, do you think these people will just switch to main other Killers? I suspect a good bunch will just stop playing Killer as a whole.

It’s not like they haven’t tried to change Nurse with the addon pass and m2 nerfs as well.

Because she's busted on a fundamental level. The only way to make her fair would be to completely change her power, and at that point you might as well just remove her.

And can you imagine the uproar if a long time character were deleted or changed completely? Isn't gonna happen (thought it would be amazing if it did).

Just look at it like this: games against Nurse aren't really even the same game; the killer isn't playing DBD, they're playing Nurse.

I don't even get mad, I just switch on the autopilot and start thinking about my next game as soon as I hear that first blink. Sometimes the Nurse sucks out loud and you win, by I don't really care either way any more.

I look at facing 4 man SWFs the same way as a killer. I don't even consider it a real match.