If there are gonna be complaints about no punishments of DC’ing, what about lobby dodging?
I wait at least almost 30 minutes, if not less to find a game with my friends just to get lobby dodged. It’s annoying.
So many complaints about DC’ing but let’s not forget that some killers like to cherry pick their lobbies.
2 Flashlights? DODGE.
4 Medkits? DODGE.
Survivors who loaded in together that could possibly be SWF but are really just randoms? DODGE.
I’m cool with the DC punishment but what about the ones that like to cherry pick their lobbies?
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Forcing people to play with people with terrible ping alone makes that a horrible option.
If I load up with 4 reds. I'm leaving. If they notice it they should leave too.
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THIS!!!
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@ASurvkillivorer I’m talking about the ones who lobby dodge because they think it’s too much of a challenge to go against experienced players, not people with bad ping.
I can understand bad ping but lobby dodging because you see too many of the same items or friends playing together? It’s kinda ridiculous.
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Yeah I know but there would be no way to prove the reason. So there would be no way to make a punishment fair.
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While I can understand the frustration with being dodged, there's a massive difference between that and someone DCing. While both affects time (you wait just to get dodged and you wait, join lobby, and there's a disconnect while in game), someone disconnecting can affect points (can't save as many from hooks or hook as many), the difficulty, and can void offering. If you play a Cake and someone DCs, it will leave you with less points in most cases. If the killer DCs, that leaves you with typically only 5k.
I do understand how it can feel unfair, though, considering survivors can't see killers at all, can't see their "items," and can't see their name. I think it's fair to not see their add-ons or what killer they are (survivors are just skins; you can't actually tell what you're facing and the med-kit could be an insta-heal, but could also be a brown med-kit), but if survivor's can't see the killer's name/profile, the killer shouldn't be able to see the survivor's.
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I rather get lobby dodged a few times than having my fellow survivors DC on their first down, or instantly at the start.
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Then you obviously don't play on console where it takes hours to get a game sometimes because of this BS, not only that but @PinkEricka said she was with friends and I can't literally name one person who's gonna invite friends who DC and screw the whole team over right away and if they do I bet they never invite them again. People think it's a joke and not a big deal but once dedicated servers come out if there is no change to this and no time bans are issued to lobby dodgers ,you can watch the survivors leave this game in hoards because that's exactly what's going to happen , I will eat the cash loss and uninstall this hunk of ######### myself if it's not addressed when servers come out ,I'm gonna be done with this crybaby filled forum and game, @Vietfox before he left us against his will has almost completely stopped playing this game because of it and he loves this game , that should be a huge eye opener when hardcore veterans are leaving the game because of being dodged and waiting hours.
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Take a hint. What do you think is the reason not enough people play killer, because the game is balanced?
When I was playing survivor mainly I made a same thread like you. I was frustrated not being able to play the game at all. I understand that some killers cherry pick easier games but most of them dodge because of the items that break the game completely or swf. When the dedicated servers come you will wait even longer for a game as survivor. Until they decide to balance the game properly things are only getting worse.
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I'm sorry but if the survivors haven't readied up then I'm lobby dodging.
Far, far, far too many games with toxic idiots who do the last second switch to claudette or nea with the purple flashlights.
I'm not even fussed about a flashlight, it's just that I know these are going to be the toxic clicky-clicky people and I don't want to play with people like that.
I do the same as survivor too. I don't want these idiots on my team because they don't contribute anything. They don't do gens all they do is follow the killer around trying to be an ass. Most of the time they can't even get the flashlight saves because they're so useless. Then post game they cry about how everyone else was bad because god forbid these people accept that they cost the team the game by contributing nothing towards it.
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Take a hint: not everyone has trouble playing killer I 3-4k every ######### match at rank 1 on PS4, I've played twice as much killer as survivor lately and I'm sick of it , if you're a lobby dodger please uninstall and allow people to play the game and quit sludging up que times , this whole "killer isn't fair" is a ######### hysterical joke at this point and you crybabies don't know what unbalanced is, I wish the devs would take it back to the old DBD for one day to let you see what true unfairness was with recovering exhaustion, infinites, no entity window blocks, sabo making the trapper powerless by the traps being permanently broken, this game is as balanced as it's going to get SWF isn't going anywhere and neither is voice comms , the quicker people understand that the better it will get for them, survival rates under 50% but it's not fair for killers ? Gtfoh I been a killer since console release and this is the easiest it's EVER been to play killer
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I don't lobby dodge but I disagree with you. For me survivor is easier. I am rank 1 both. Sure I get 4k with non swf or altruistic swf sometimes but when people know what they are doing you either need to play top tier killers to have some chance or get bullied playing lower tier ones. If game forces you to do that it can't be balanced.
And playing killer is much stressful. When I play survivor I am more chill and I can even mess around. There is a reason not enough people play killer, that speaks for itself. And I forgot to mention how many times you get 3 or 4k only because survivors refuse to leave or get cocky. You only win because they mess around. They can mess around because survivor is easier. You are not even a threat as a killer. That's what this game is.
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Flashlight does not always mean that the person has to be toxic.
Besides that - yes, Last second Character switches are Bullshit. But they only exist, because Killers are dodging lobbies when they have the fear to not have an easy game. So BS exists because of other BS.
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@PinkEricka I think it's at least partly a technical issue: deciding whether a lobby quit by killer is because he wants to dodge, or because of some more valid reason is next to impossible. Besides, you can and should punish people for ruining the game of others, and making them waste some of their precious virtual resources, but you can't really go so far as to punish them for not wanting to play with someone.
I agree lobby dodging is pathetic, but it's more difficult to regulate, and more importantly, it's not nearly as serious as DC-ing. (And let's be honest: DC-ing is not punished sufficiently...)
I don't understand how you wait 30 minutes either. Normally, if I play survivor it's less than 2-3 minutes to get a game started.
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Its all about how you use the killer, I can take lower tier killers and 4k at rank 1 not even using ruin....most survivors aren't the depip squad and even the depip squad themselves make mistakes and can be beat if someone capitalizes on the mistake , if I ever have trouble with good survivors I immediately start the 3 gen strat and it's pretty much a GG from there with one getting the hatch or all dying.
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DCing is a bannable offense
Lobby dodging isnt
Thats like comparing some tbagging to gamebreaking exploits
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And because of that BS, killers dodge survivors who dont ready up. Its a never ending circle =)
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Which means, when they get rid of Lobbydodging, it would solve a lot of problems.
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I prefer to bite the bullet and not take items nor dodge them, but that's just me, trying not to be part of the problem.
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Yeah and survivors will have to become killers. Otherwise they won't find the game.
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@George_Soros It’s only like that with console and I hate it.
I feel like I’m FORCED to play Killer just to play this game. I don’t mind playing killer but I rather prefer to play with my friends but they go off to play different games because the lobbies take way too long.
I could always go play other games but there are times where I just prefer to play DBD.
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Maybe you aren't a threat as killer because you don't have skill but I can take perkless killers and 4k at ranks 1 , by the way you talk it's obvious you haven't played killer for very long
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I would be willing to give killers 15 seconds longer after survivors are locked in just to have a proper build and no "power ranger" survivors at 6 sec left
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Why did you delete your other post lol?
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*sigh*
I wish everyone just moved to PC. Never saw the point of consoles, such limited use. Communities seem to be more immature as well.
I guess some mild system could be useful: instead of getting a 5 seconds delay every time, it could be 10-30-60 and maybe more if quitting lobbies in a row. But then again, there are so many survivors who just ignore they have 300< ping and stay in the lobby, so many of us are often forced to quit and start another lobby.
No perfect solution I guess.
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Because console users bought into the propaganda that consoles are better, even though that's demonstrably untrue.
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I play on console because I always preffered it over pc. Not because I think it's better but more simple.
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I play on PC because it's better, simpler, and more useful. To each their own.
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It's not more simple than turning the console on and playing and never having any problems nor requirements to do anything else and not having to make something working properly.
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@George_Soros I used to play on PC a long time ago, mostly World Of Warcraft until I broke it because I wasn’t responsible enough to take care of it.
Someone gave me a new one for my birthday 2 years ago but it turned out to be trash. It was one of those 2-in-1 desktops that could be used as a touch pad or a computer. It wasn’t efficient enough and didn’t have good specs for games at all.
Never did buy a new one because it cost too much for an actual gaming PC. It’s too late to turn back now anyways, all my friends are on console lol.
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Yeah, it is, because no game works perfectly on all consoles 100% of the time.
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It actually does. At least on ps4 pro. Never had any problems.
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I didn't lol this damn system wouldn't let me edit a spelling error and I have to wait for it to be approved now
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I don't have a PS4, but I've had more problems on console than on PC, and due to the nature of consoles, I can't even verify what's wrong. If the developers don't acknowledge the problems and don't update, I'm completely #########.
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I hate that too.
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Having DBD on both PC and PS4, console is my preference. Bigger screen, comfier chair and no post-match abuse. Just lets not discuss frame rate.
Not lobby dodging as a rule adds a fun element to it as you wait anxiously to see how many Toolbox Claudettes you will have to endure!
I also ilke it when multiple flashlights turn up as I am am giving a game to a group that have probably sat waiting 20 minutes to play a game.
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Survivors can choose who to play with (SWF), but Killers can't?
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I cant decide who I want to play against. Can I have this option too? I mean, Killers have it.
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Survivors used to have it, but they already showed they don't deserve it.
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I wouldn't mind at all if someone doesn't wanna play against me.
But since Survivors abuse anything if it can be abused, then you know why it's not implemented...
Besides, you can just use MLGA or whatever it was called.
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And with the influx of problems killers are causing by not playing the game as intended wouldn't you agree they deserve that right revoked? Especially now that they've had the opportunity to abuse it 2-3 times longer than survivors ever did at this point and it's a serious problem causing veteran members to leave the game.
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I dont have any problem with the players, just with Legion. So I dont want to play vs Legion, if there would be the option, I would gladly accept it to get dodged from time to time.
And btw. most of the time the Killers also dont dodge because of the player, but rather because of the Items they bring. And it is quite sad that I cannot equip any items so that I have a chance to not get dodged, but Killers can have their stuff (not talking about the "normal" Add-Ons, but sometimes Killers simply use things that are way too much)
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". . . not playing the game as intended. . ."
What's this, now?!
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[shrug]
I don't have the stats, only anecdotes. What I do know is that survivors were abusing it to the overall detriment of the game on a massive scale. If killers are doing it to the extent that survivors were doing it - and note that anecdotes, while entertaining, are not the same as hard data - then yes, they should have that ability revoked.
EDIT: I want to note, however, that removing the names is not addressing the reason why killers dodge, and without addressing the issue, it will just make killers leave.
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Unfortunately PS4 doesn't have this option and you can't always see who's dodging you if they're offline.
Also I wouldn't mind it if I didn't have to wait hours and if they weren't doing it for ridiculous reasons like cosmetics or items, the whole "I don't have to play that type of game" is hogwash and those people are just looking for an easy 4k to rank up but then those very same people get on here and cry about the unbalance when they don't even belong at the rank they're at because they cherry picked their way up and then they feel the need to "derank" because they can't find the itemless and most noob looking survivors at rank 1 anymore, it's sad I have to where default clothing with no items and then hope I don't spawn in anywhere near the same time as someone else FFS this is getting ridiculous why grind for BP/shards if i can't use anything that I am able to buy with it? Whats the point?
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When you dodge items, cosmetics, and survivors whom you don't even know are SWF but just seem like it to you that's what I mean , those people want to cry about balance but have you ever stopped to think they may not rank up as high if they played those games instead of dodging and then the game could better find a match more appropriate to their skill? How hard is that to understand
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LOL, it's been proven again and again and again that you cannot win with regular killers if survivors go full tryhard mode and are not #########. If they want to tryhard that's fine, I'm not switching to nurse or billy just because they want a tryhard game, they can find another lobby. Maybe if the game was fundamentally balanced we could talk but right now there's no point. Well personally I ain't dodging because those ppl will DC against legion often times anyways but I can understand killers that do.
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@OrionsFury4789 Ah, I see what you mean now. I personally try to avoid dodging lobbies. The most recent lobby I have ever dodged was just some flashlight spammer in the PTB just because his clicking was annoying and I just had him last game. However in general I will play games against any lobbies the game throws at me. It can be 2 flashlights it can be 4 toolboxes, I don't care about the outcome of my matches anymore. I got to rank 1 the other day and all I saw were de-rankers. The fun of Dead by Daylight is meeting the different players. That, and trying to scare the hope out of every player I meet.
I wish people wouldn't dodge but I honestly don't put it past them. I have had times where I queue up and then as survivors start to enter I remember I wanted to wash the dishes or something so I leave. Was the "dodge" irritating for them? Sure, but most folks don't like afk games either so I will go with the lesser of the two evils.
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Well I was playing Survivor today, Wraith hit me and I went link dead, kicked me right out of the game and asked me to send a bug report. That Wraith has probably gone and reported me for bad sportsmanship. Hope I don't get a ban.
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A lot of lobby dodgers don't know that playing against multiple flashlight users can lead to some of the most fun games. In my experience they are often far less serious than the typical survivor, farming and sandbagging eachother is quite common. I don't even use Lightborne against them (Mad Grit though!)
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