November Dev Update!

I'm making a sarcastic joke

ironically, we are also pointing out how the us vs them mentality is incorrect. we are on the same side here

Did I say it was bad?

Quotation for the game being balanced around 40-second chases?

I really am not a fan of dumbing down the game that much. It ignores a world of gameplay. The game can end in an instant without even involving much actual chaseplay. There are countless matches every day where chases last more than 40 seconds, and killers still end up killing everyone. It is asinine to try and "balance killers for 40-second chases", let alone balance the game around that. Not that I actually think it is even possible to achieve that with any reliability, no two chases are ever the same, I didn't literally mean Trickster chases may now always last exactly 30s, my point was more so to say skill might play even less of a role than it doesn't already now, with Trickster chases.

What I was doing does not really constitute complaining. I was speaking to possibilities, stating concerns, and did point out myself that this will have to be seen in action. Trickster is already a killer not many people enjoy playing as or against, because the spamming hampers skill expression on both sides. But yes, there are also nerfs here, what with the increased amount of knives to lacerate and the lack of gradually increasing throw rate. Just how strong the new Main Event will be is also hard to gauge without seeing it in action. I just can't see it not be stronger than the current Main Event, which was rare to have an impact (which, granted, was an issue).

You did read it has no exhaustion condition now right? I'd say the fact you can take your normal exhaustion perk and have the extra cushion of MFT on top, that still makes it perfectly viable, especially combined with DH or OTR.

What's really nice is the secondary effect actually makes sense to the perk now, the deep wound speed boost is actually relevant to the endurance effect.

This change pushes it to become a skill players anti tunnel perk, as well as an anti-slug perk.

You could even run it with We're Gonna Live Forever for laughs recreating a fast recovery version of Buckle Up... even though its no longer the borken meta redefining perk it was before, it is a perk that has interesting build synergies we can happily use for fun.

I haven't heard of any such statement from the devs, and it would be curious, since it really is painfully reductive. I mean, even just thinking of having those 40-second chases on the same survivor would leave the game in a 3v1 scenario 2-3 minutes into a match, which completely changes the math. And the math on this is very unreliable to begin with, since again, there's a world of gameplay elements and scenarios that simple math doesn't account for that determine how matches unfold. Oni can in theory down everyone within the span of seconds, how would "balance math" account for this, which is just one example of countless other such. Not to mention that all of the attempts I've ever seen to math out the balance of this game have ignored tons of things, such as map traversal time, time to find gens, even very obvious things such as time to unhook and heal. And of course they have ignored these things, because they are impossible to mathematically quantify in principle.

...Anyway, I will wait and see on Trickster. For the record, I don't believe this will make him too strong overall, for that he simply lacks macrogame prowess. Just that it doesn't really solve the issue many players are having with this killer, and could indeed even exacerbate it. Personally I think a more interesting and engaging approach to Trickster would be to make it so that laceration regresses much more quickly and continually, but giving Trickster something to compensate, such as base ricochet and trajectory indicators for the knives. This would make it much more of a back-and-forth between the players.

The map changes sound good.

MFT got gutted but that what the majority wanted for the most part.

Trickster buff sound good but maybe a bit overkill.

Overall pretty good changes health wise.

Please. bitching and moaning from surivivors has resulted in so many killer perks and add-ons getting screwed. and the xenomorph nerfs

I just noticed something - the add-on "lucky blade" needs to be changed. Right now it's effect is increases by 0.3. If they don't change it will be better than the new waiting for you watch. Lucky blade is uncommon waiting for you watch is rare, so yeah.

I have no issue with them addressing MFT. I'm aware of how tracking perks work. Was talking about BHVR seemingly addressing activation requirements.

Damn, they really going after mid perks with the nerf bat. Good thing I only use Sprint Burst.

Since/after 6.1.0, and strictly limited to perks that have been changed with significant usage impact: Thana, Eruption, Call of Brine, Reassurance and Scavenger (compared to PTB), prove thyself, circle of healing, and the second dead hard nerf. Depending on what you consider 'significant usage drop' you might also consider stealth changes to repressed alliance and blast mine in the list.

If you're including the perks that changed in 6.1.0 then you can add ruin, tinkerer, pop, first dead hard nerf, iron will, calm spirit, botany knowledge, and DS.

Some of these came back into popularity later, because of meta changes or were buffed back, but there was a drastic change in usage rates at the time these were nerfed.

Well, yes. You've stumbled across my point.

You can't fairly say these perks were killed, and that BHVR love to just nuke perks into uselessness instead of balancing them, because they don't do that. The perks that people cite are usually pretty good still, and perfectly viable. They're not by any reasonable definition nuked into uselessness, at best that's an unprovable opinion.

It's worth mentioning that the conversations had with this rhetoric are not about pickrate, at most pickrate is used as a proxy meaure. They are about strength, that is the language used and that's why I kinda bristle at them. I wanted to hear out the evidence before committing to that position, though, hence my asking first.