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Off the Record > Borrowed time
What's the point with the Borrowed time perk giving you 10 seconds extra to your passive endurance when Off The Record perk gives you like 80 seconds of endurance or something when you are unhooked?
Have you ever seen anyone using Borrowed time since passive hook endurance was introduced? If yes, what are its advantages over Off The Record?
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Yeah BT is pointless perk atm. I wish they just rework it, base-kit BT is already doing this perk's job.
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Basekit Endurance and OTR gave you the same time of Endurance - as much as the Killer allows you to have, because if they want to tunnel, they will hit you immediatly and all Endurance-Effects are gone. (Which is why Endurance is bad at Anti-Tunnel)
I run BT and I prefer it over OTR. Because with OTR, the Killer will just hit immediatly, since they know instantly that the Survivor has OTR. So its gone. However, with BT the Killer might not hit immediatly, because they can count to 10 and then hit. But if there are 10 extra seconds of Endurance, this overall is more helpful than OTR against a tunneling Killer.
It also allows Endgame-Saves, unlike OTR.
I would say there are better alternatives, but I think BT is still a Perk which can be worth picking.
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Off the Record has a tell and is designed to help avoid a killer who doesn't immediately know where you are, whereas Borrowed Time both throws off a hard-tunnelling killer's timing because they expect the basekit timer as well as increases the time the unhooked survivor is given Haste for.
They both have a niche. I think the main reason you see OTR more than BT these days is because OTR is personal, whereas BT is altruistic. You'll know for sure if OTR is working for you, but it can be hard to tell with BT.
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What does it matter if the killer hits me immediately or later as long as I remain protected from that hit? With borrowed time, sure the Killer can count and then hit and still get fooled by borrowed time, but the end result is the same, is it not? The only difference I see here still is that OTR protects you way longer. So even if the Killer knows this, you still ensure some level of enhanced protection over Borrowed time.
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There’s been certain situations where me using bt in the endgame and the guy having an extended haste is the reason he escaped so it has its niche uses
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I still run BT because killers never expect it. They will tunnel after someone wait out the ten seconds and then hit them. Same when its an end game rescue. They think they're done after ten seconds and hit them.
I've saved a lot of team mates thanks to those extra ten seconds.
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OTR is a perk you run to help yourself. BT is a perk you run to help others. Due to the nature of solo queue, I can't make plays relying on someone using OTR. I can make plays knowing I've got BT.
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I'm not sure you understand how the perks work. OTR is something you run for yourself as it activates when you get unhooked. BT is for survivors you unhook. They serve different purposes. You run OTR when you're worried about getting tunnelled and BT to help out your teammates. Running them both works well too. You can also technically use BT three times as many times as OTR in a match.
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Simple, bt works at endgame
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Borrowed Time is not a pointless perk: -
- It is not usually anticipated and unlike OTR has no obvious tell outside of the survivor being faster, which is less apparent than no whimpering sounds.
- It has six potential uses per game for one perk slot, whereas OTR only works twice per perk slot.
- Extends the Endurance to last longer than your standard heal time to protect while healing off hook.
- It also extends the speed boost duration, both increasing the chance of making a loop throughout tunnel attempts in the game.
- It doesn't disable at end game, using allbof the above to make the final sprint to the gate after an unhook far more likely to succeed.
Especially when combined with Sprint Burst, the Survivor can make mad distance off hook.
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As already said, BT is more altruistic; where OTR very much encourages players to run far from the hook and self-heal, BT is run for more team-spirited players (has great synergy with We’ll Make It).
I also love how BT catches killers out who wait out base-kit endurance. The extra length-endurance and speed boost can make for some great escape plays: another thing which OTR doesn’t do as it deactivates at the end of the match once the gates are powered.
its certainly not meta like it used to be, but it’s certainly not a useless perk imo.
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Yeah, I still see it run. Not a lot, and I'm always surprised when someone unhooks me with it, but it has a lot of uses.
As others have said
-helps others, not yourself
-tunneling killers can detect OTR, while they can't BT, so they'll count to 11 then swing, but you'll still get the speedboost, meaning you've delayed the tunnel
It has some downsides. No use if the killer isn't tunneling or if the unhook has OTR or DH its unnecessary. But when it pops up in games I am surprised how much value it can get.
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What? Borrowed Time is still a fantastic perk. 20 seconds on of endurance and speed boost is nothing to scoff at and it has the added benefit of working during endgame and that extra 10 seconds of endurance can mean life or death for the person you unhooked. If you really wanna go nuts you can run babysitter and no one left behind to basically guarantee somebody's escape in the endgame if you wanna be a hero. Frankly I never leave home without my BT, one of the permament fixtures in my builds just because of how much use I get out of it.
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They are applied differently. Off The record is personal and borrowed time is altruistic. Borrowed Time also works in endgame whilst off the record doesn't. It also doubles movement speed increase duration. It absolutely has a place in the game
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I wouldn’t say OTR protects you longer. Either BT or OTR will insulate you as long as the killer allows. If you’re being tunneled and hit right off hook, neither perk is protecting you. And it’s not like you become invisible once you’re in deep wound. So that little ‘protection’ you got from being hit once isn’t going to do much as most killers can see (your blood trails & scratch marks) and hear (your grunts of pain). Like the protective feature of both perks is invalidated after a single hit. And BT makes you faster and can be used during endgame, while neither is true for OTR.
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Certain killers that don't really get that punished for hitting you
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