Guess this is going to become a recurring theme
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...What are you talking about?
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The blame should be with the company behind the practice in the first place, not the consumer. Stances like that allow these practices to be implemented and grow bolder in terms of monetisation.
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I'm not least bit surprised, knew this was coming. I bet the Waterfront Massacre skins are going to be next.
Might as well remove all the cosmetics from the game and make them FOMO while we're at it. /s
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Taking cosmetics out of the store is the dumbest thing. No one should be like, "It's fine." This change does not improve the game for us customers. BHVR changed something for the worse. Justifying it for any reason makes no sense.
My friend unlocked the Lunar cosmetics today, and after he got Yun-Jin's pants he wanted to check out her PJ set in the store. He was quite confused as to why it wasn't there. "Dude, those PJs got removed with the other ones. They're all considered winter cosmetics." "... Really??" So, congrats BHVR. You never know what might trigger a customer to be interested in digital cosmetics. You want customers making impulse buys, but instead a crapload of items were removed from the shop and by the time the items return those potential customers will have forgotten about them.
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"Going forward, new non-licensed outfits will release with their usual Auric Cell price, receiving an Iridescent Shard option 4 weeks following their debut. (3/4)"
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Ok then have fun because every game that has a seasonal cosmetic only sells them for that season and then it's gone....if you play a game with a battle pass and once that battle pass is done then no more special cosmetics so at least with DbD the cosmetics will be back next year
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Who cares. So what the cosmetics aren't available all year round. Either buy it now or dont that's all on you. I like not seeing hundreds of cosmetics in the shop whenever I browse. It's less overwhelming. Also having cosmetics only available for set times but coming back each year gives them more flex to your teammates.
Given that these cosmetics do nothing for gameplay mechanics and are purely cosmetic it shouldn't matter if bhvr decides to make them limited time. It's smart business move and after all this is a business that needs to make money.
To anyone complaining I beg you to stop and instead focus your complaints on the unbalanced maps, game breaking bugs, cheaters and other actual issues that effects the game not cosmetics which for the most part are just reskins
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"who cares".
Everyone manifesting their discontent in this thread, reddit, social medias and steam page. Question is, if you don't care, why bother entering the thread?
"To anyone complaining I beg you to stop and instead focus your complaints on the unbalanced maps, game breaking bugs, cheaters and other actual issues that effects the game not cosmetics which for the most part are just reskins"
Ever heard of multitask? One can complain about multiple things at once, just because we are here voicing our opinion regarding FOMO doesn't mean we ignore other issues with the game.
Unlike issues involving gameplay that have existed since 2016 and are complex to solve, removing or keeping cosmetics in the store is probably merely the push of a button.
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The who cares was clearly sarcasm as it's clear a lot of people care but I just wonder why. So many claim poor business practice when i don't see it as poor business I see it as smart business. I don't understand why players are upset that a cosmetic that has. O bearing on the game is removed at the end of the season or event when there is plenty of time to purchase if they want to
Now on the flip side I do understand if when the cosmetics return they are only for auric cells when we were promised that auric cells cosmetics would go to irry shard prices so if that doesn't happen then I see it as a valid reason to complain but complaining just because it's limited time seems like complaining for the sake of complaining or jumping on the complain lt bandwaggon
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The "Who cares?" people surely seems to care enough to spend time to post in our threads. 🤡
Ah, well, more use of the Ignore list.
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imagine next year they bring back skins that were purchaseable with shard and they arent anymore. pure greed
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This is the part that needs a close eye on and is the real issue. Whilst I may not give 2 hoots if cosmetics are limited time i do care about miss information and when these cosmetics return if they are not irry shards then behaviour has a lot of explaining to do. (unless for some reason its a licened character then it has to stay auric cells)
There is always 2 sides to a discussion. those for and those against. I'm happy to see things from both sides but FOMO isnt really a thing here because they are limited time not limited amount. If they limited the amount that could be sold i would be all for complaining but anyone and everyone can purchase these cosmetics at any time whilst they are avaliable. Its like going into a shop and complaining that you can't buy christmas items in july or easter eggs in september. "Who Cares" is a generic statement. Its obvious people care but why do you care? Its a cosmetic in a game that will return next year if you decide not to buy them now. There must be a reason why players don't want to buy a cosmetic when its avaliable and if its purely because they can't afford to right now then the arguement could be made that BHVR is saving you from wasting your money on a cosmetic.
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The people who say "who cares about FOMO" tend to be the people who only whine when things affect them personally. "It's not my problem until it is". It's astonishingly selfish
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There's no point in shilling for BHVR over FOMO (An area where they're clearly in the wrong, not the players)... They're not going to give you a cut of the $ for defending them lol. When ridiculous things aren't ridiculed and spoken about it leaves room for it to grow into bigger problems.
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We don't want time limited cosmetics. The survey they asked about made them sound different from what they are.
Getting rid of cosmetics that have been around for years suddenly is just saying you want a surge of money from consumers, and that you don't really care about consumer satisfaction. Walk this back, or you won't have much of a community if the pattern continues. What's next? Seasonal killers/survivors?
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"Now on the flip side I do understand if when the cosmetics return they are only for auric cells when we were promised that auric cells cosmetics would go to irry shard prices"
I dont understand that. If it was auric cells only initially, then ppl should expect it to still be auric cells when it returns. Not iri shards. Thats exclusive to cosmetics that are expected to stay in the store when released, not time limited ones.
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I'm not shilling for anyone. I'm just tired of the petulant whining over a non issue. Yearly cosmetics are hardly something to get worked up about.
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Just because you don't care about this particular topic doesn't mean it isn't an issue (Newsflash, it objectively is).. You're coming off as a conformist. Its a terribly selfish and bad business practice for this specific game to have period. You say you're not shilling yet you're here complaining that people are speaking up about this BLATANT greed that wasn't as common before. People like you are exactly why companies gradually get bolder and less scared of backlash, because they know you guys will do free damage control on their behalf and try to convince people 'iTs nOt ThAt SeRiOuS' no matter how bad something obviously is
For a game with a very low % of new players coming in and a community dominated by long-term customers that have already dished out hundreds & thousands on licensed content + cosmetics, Its extremely bold and disrespectful to continuously increase the frequency of FOMO and other shady decisions with their MTX. This isn't Activision or Call of Duty, BHVR doesn't have the clout to piss off their 30-40k players that they average
When people speak with their wallets and gather around to give feedback I guarantee you BHVR sees or hears it very clearly and they start tightening up. How do you think the last three monumental patches (5.2, 6.1 & 6.5) came to be? Because people spoke with their wallets and left the game or stopped spending as much $ when they weren't enjoying the direction the game was going in. They read/listen to/watch the community even though they sometimes act as if they don't
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How is limited timed cosmetics greed? Its just good business. Basicly saying ok we are done with this wave that is now out lets start on new cosmetics. Now yeah i get that having the old cosmetics always around won't take much but when does that stop. 3 years down the line when Feng has 500+ cosmetic sets with all avaliable at the same time? its overwhelming especially to new players who are coming into the game.
BHVR won't turn around on the limited cosmetics because its good to rotate things in the shop to entice spending. this doesnt make the company greedy it makes the company smart as they arn't creating this game out of the goodness of their heart they are doing it to make money and this is a great incentive to get a boost to income. The more income they get the better licence deals they can strike and the more money they can put back into the game.
It is no different to "limited time deals" that are only avaliable for a set period of time and once its gone its gone.
I wonder how many people who complain about these limited cosmetics actually want to pay out for the cosmetics in the first place. or if your just hoping they get very cheap or are just waiting for them to go to irry shards meaning free?
If your not willing to pay for a cosmetic thats fine but at the end of the day its a cosmetic. doesnt matter if you own it or not and it doesnt matter if the cosmetics are avaliable for 1 week or 1 year. There is NO Fear of Missing Out because everyone has the oportunity to buy the cosmetic during that set period. If your unable to then that isnt at fault of behaviour because they are not limiting who can buy the items just saying that they are only on the store for a set period of time. and even if you do miss out you can just get them next year.
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How the old system worked: Some skins are free and some cost money. Browse at your leisure and buy if you want to.
How the new system works: Some skins are free and some cost money. The ones that cost money have limited availability, so you'd better hurry up and grab them before they're gone!
How BHVR chose to explain the new system for no discernible reason: Good news, all of the skins will be free!
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Wel ofcourse, mostly about paying a 15 dollar fee for a cosmetic. But most of us are addicted to FOMO and time sunk falacy. They know it, we know it. We are here to stay forever. Think again
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“It’s fine everybody, some corporate whale none of us have ever met in our life before makes an extra 3% in revenue and 1% in profit per quarter with this predatory method so it’s obviously the best route to take”
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LMAO. really people it doesnt matter. It really is as simple as this. you want cosmetics buy them. you don't want cosmetics don't buy them. you don't like that this game has limited time cosmetics then im sure you can find another game to play. Or how about you never buy another cosmetic and don't give BHVR any more of your hard earned cash if you feel that strongly about it. I personally will continue to support BHVR because DBD is still a very fun game and if i wanna spend on cosmetics I will and i don't give a damn if those cosmetics are perminant or limited time because at the end of the day it doesn't actually matter.
While your at it please walk into your local super market and protest that you can't buy seasonal items all year round.
Jay out
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Oh that's F'in adorable 😂 The classic "Oh, you have a very valid piece feedback that I don't have any comeback for? Just leave the game and deal with it". Cringe, go away shill. You spend more time replying about how it doesn't matter then proving it doesn't matter by ignoring the thread
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Well I will give BHVR at least some credit for addressing it in their dev update today:
However, I don't really think this makes a ton of sense. In what way does it make these cosmetics more meaningful, especially the Halloween ones when we're talking about a game literally about horror and killing survivors? This doesn't really simplify the store, it just adds additional limitations to what can and can't be obtained at certain times throughout the year.
That said, at least now we know that the non-licensed outfits will have Iridescent Shard prices when they do return in the future so that's good news I guess.
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If nobody ever criticises a business participating in scummy practices then they will never learn where the boundries are/what people are willing to put up with. The consumers of video games have conceded so much ground to greedy businesses and publishers. Some of us would rather our favourite games don't go down this route.
You say "oh stop caring about this, go complain about what i think is important" despite the fact you can do both. There's no mutual exclusivity with complaints.
Also BHVR doesn't need to do this for money. They want to. The reason of "we want them to be more special" is a blatant lie.
They aren't a small indie studio anymore. Dead by Daylight is a giant franchise that has merchandise, partnerships with some of the biggest franchises in the world, alternate versions on mobile/china and even spin-offs.
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Why complain? That's an interesting question. At what point is complaining valid? Is it now when previously available items are being removed from the store? Is it in a year's time when Loot Boxes arrive and you have a 5% chance of snagging that sweet Jeff skin you want (oh no! buy another box and try again). BHVR will say, What do you mean you don't like loot boxes? No-one said anything when we went FOMO.
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I bet BHVR would've done DBD NFTs if the popular opinion was that NFTs were cool and good
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Didn't want to but i just gotta jump back in as you seem to be the only one coming back at me. Regarding the "don't have any comeback for" comment i don't need a comeback. This isnt an argument its a discussion.
Let me sum it up like this. In my opinion limited time cosmetics do not effect anything. Its smart business, it cleans up the store and keeps things fresh.
You're 100% right. You can complain about more than one thing at once ill accept that so disregard my previous comment about complaining about something that matters.
"Also BHVR doesn't need to do this for money. They want to. The reason of "we want them to be more special" is a blatant lie."
No they don't need to do it for money just like they don't NEED to have auric cell prices on non licence characters but if you can make more money why wouldn't you. The more money a game developer makes the more money can be pumped back into the game to improve it.
I don't know if you have noticed but its the small indie companys that are doing less for money and more for the game where as big franchises do EVERYTHING for money because unfortunately when companies start making money they just want to make more. I don't agree with this but its the way of the world it seems.
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The thing is even if they did to loot boxes. And trust me I would hate it if they did. Kids will still buy loot boxes because its addictive. Again i pray that they never implement loot boxes because they are ######### things to do as it encourages gambling.
That being said what if they offered something similar that could be purchased with blood points or shards meaning they can never be brought with real money at all??
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GOOD BUSINESS AND GREED ARE THE SAME THING JESUS CHRIST
CORPORATIONS ARE NOT ON YOUR SIDE
THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU
CARE ABOUT YOURSELF. YOU ARE A CONSUMER, YOU SHOULD WANT YOUR CONSUMPTION TO BE CHEAPER NOT MORE EXPENSIVE. YOU ARE SHOOTING YOURSELF IN THE FOOT ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE.
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TYSM - I don't understand what's confusing about this and I tried to touch on that earlier when I said "If you don't ridicule ridiculous things, it leaves room for them to grow into bigger problems". I must live in a different galaxy or something because I don't see how that's not obvious especially in terms of consumerism in games. It legit baffles me that people have no valid points or justification for the bad business practices other than "Some suit and ties from corporate wants this because they're making extra cash, They should continue getting as much as they can lol hurr-durr it makes sense stop complaining"
... Like bruh, how are they simping for the corporations when they're not even a part of them and reaping the benefits??? At the end of the day they're still viewed as a consumer just like us so trying to ride in a company's backpack is nothing more than just embarrassing themselves tbh. If they're not touching the profits themselves then there's no reason to celebrate it and flex it on others
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Removing cosmetics that were previously available year round, after stating they'd be available for shards, to avoid making them available for shards, is very anti-consumer. Since BHVR is a Canadian company it's possibly even reportable as a Deceptive Marketing Practice: https://ised-isde.canada.ca/site/competition-bureau-canada/en/deceptive-marketing-practices
If they really wanted to "Simplify" the store they could start by implementing proper collections/categories and better filtering options for outfits instead of a mass scroll jumble.
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Everyone always says they should stop working on releasing new cosmetics and concentrate on fixing bugs, which is a false equivalence. Those are completely different jobs within the company, same as a restaurant. The janitor doesn't cook your food nor does the waitress... So people who say such things about gaming companies, well... The analogy is to try to get you to understand that you don't want the art department fixing bugs, they more than likely don't know how.
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Please don't use all caps it comes across as very aggressive. If me not caring about some stupid cosmetics and how they are handled bothers you so much maybe leave this thread. There is no need for the aggressive messages.
Everyone is entitled to there own opinion and if you don't like mine that's up to you. I will always support game Devs as I don't see it as greedy to remove cosmetics from the store on a limited period. If nothing else it entices less spending as you can't buy them year round
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For me those limited-time-sales are not an issue at all. Buy it or leave it.
They are making all original cosmetics available with iri shards. Its a fair trade for me.
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I never said that the art department should be improving the game instead of doing what they're paid to do. I said that the current state of the game makes me feel as though cosmetics and monetisation are prioritised more than the gameplay experience itself. That's not the fault of the teams themselves (likely) but the company as a whole who want to have DBD generate the most profit possible even at the cost of player experience and enjoyment. This retroactively added limited-time BS being a prime example. And I'm much less inclined to overlook it when updates release buggy and sometimes in an unplayable state, even following a PTB.
It makes it harder for me to appreciate the efforts of the artistic team as a result, which is a shame because I feel that the one aspect of this game that absolutely shines is its artistic liberty when it comes to killers, maps and so on.
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Woah, never saw a post being so wrong before
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"Who's gonna buy and wear winter outfits in summer anyway"
Then just killswitch the cosmetics when they're out of season, imagine running around with a sweater in summer or a bikini in winter...
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You know what? The Ormond map should be kill-switched too.Too much snow, too much holiday spirit.
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Lery's too, it's snowing outside by the gates there. Too wintery for the summer.
Also kill switch Midwich and Badham during the summer break, winter break, and spring break - schools out during those times so why is there a school themed map available to play, shouldn't it "feel special" by only being available when school is in session?
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There is a certain irony in someone saying this, considering how many players put that on BHVR. They shouldn't worry about making new skins, they should fix the bugs. Like those can't go hand in hand because the art deparment doesn't fix bugs and the QQ department doesn't do skins.
For the record, I DO agree with you, there is so much in the store right now, it can be very overwhelming for new players, heck it was for me when I first started playing, and there is MORE outfits now. It honestly doesn't bother me that I can't buy Trapper's Krampus skin right now, I can wait until Christmas to get it. I mean, i know some want all skins to be available year round, and... I get that they feel that way, but like you say, there are worse things in this game to worry about the fact that I can't buy Trapper's Krampus skin RIGHT NOW.
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You have no evidence that they won't be available for shards when they return next year, so until that happens, there is no deception. Plus, pretty sure that Mandy verified that they will be available for shards next year, especially those that already were. I can't be bothered to go look for the quote, because as one making an accusation of deceptive marketing, the burden of proof is on you.
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"cosmetics do nothing for gameplay"
...How about you read this? https://dc.uwm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3499&context=etd
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Coming back to this thread to acknowledge BHVR listening to our complaints and removing the FOMO from Cozy Break collection!
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Marketing ploy bs to create false scarcity and an urgency to buy.
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i don't think i'll ever get upset because of annual cosmetics as long as they are available for shards (non license ofc). i'm just thankful they don't make cosmetics leave forever except losing related licenses.
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I know I'm gonna get a lot of flack for this...
The FOMO argument just doesnt make sense to me. I still don't quite get why a limited edition virtual T-shirt is such a hard thing for people to pass up on... If buying an £8 blue tinted pair of leggings with a snowflake pattern on Feng Min is the hardest decision you have to make... Well... you're leading a damned charmed life.
The hilarious part to me is, it's not like you even own it, even if you do buy it. You merely are renting it for life, as the moment you die, your account is lost and all your content goes with it. This is standard across all online media purchases.
In the real world, diamonds are the biggest market manipulation example that's ever existed. They're actually extremely common, but the amount released to the market keeps their value up. The people who own the diamond mines have such an excess, they actually burn them like coal.
Thing is, people still buy them, and we're talking about thousands of pounds/dollars... If you don't agree with this market manipulation, guess what? You can just not buy them... I respect anyone reading this post enough to trust you are able to handle the decision on whether spend £3000 of your savings on a lump of carbon or not, and by the same token being able to handle deciding to buy a £5 limited edition gnome hat in Dead By Daylight.
A limited edition skin at seasonal holidays is not something you are entitled to have just because you want it. If the item is too expensive, you should have the self control to accept it... and it's better you learn this now before you have to make some really hard decisions.
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Coming back to this thread to acknowledge BHVR listening to our complaints and removing the FOMO from Lunar New Year collection!
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