Opinion on the Exhaustion Nerfs

@Dwight_Confusion said:
It's about time. Every survivor gets 1 free get away almost because they just sprint burst away to a pallet.

This will help that.

I agree with you, but that problem lies more in SB than it does int most other exhaustion perks. I think nerfing all of the exhaustion perks this way isn't the best route. I think the devs should focus more on nerfing SB directly.

@ZombieGenesis said:
The change overall is fine. Survivors are just going to have to get accustomed to not having unlimited chase extenders.

I agree with the unlimited chase part. That has been way too overpowered for far too long, but I don't think they need to nerf all exhaustion perks. Sprint Burst was the one that was too good and so was Dead Hard. I think it's better that the devs focus more on nerfing those directly rather than nerfing a bunch of perks that don't need it.

@ZombieGenesis said:
Well, the good thing is all of this still has to go through the PTB. Be sure to use plenty of exhaustion perks and post your experiences with those.

I like to play more stealthy than use exhaustion perks. But also play plenty of killer so I know how much of a pain these perks can be to deal with. But the main culprit is SB, not all the exhaustion perks so I don't think all of them need to be nerfed.

@HeroLives said:
Sprint burst was and is fine. Lay off SB. Like runiver said it only needed to be tweaked. Where it only triggers during a chase. Also if you’re chasing the same survivor for over 40 seconds what are you even doing with your life? 

The problem isn't the chase. It's that it almost completely negates some killers' core abilities, like Wraith, Freddy, and Pig, putting them at a massive disadvantage, especially since these killers already have a hard time with pallet looping. SB definitely isn't fine and needs a nerf. I like the idea of having a delay, where you need to run a few seconds before it activates or the speed is a gradual increase. The way it is now, it needs to be altered.

@HeroLives said:
ShrimpTwiggs said:

@HeroLives said:

ShrimpTwiggs said:

@HeroLives said:

Sprint burst was and is fine. Lay off SB. Like runiver said it only needed to be tweaked. Where it only triggers during a chase. Also if you’re chasing the same survivor for over 40 seconds what are you even doing with your life? 



The problem isn't the chase. It's that it almost completely negates some killers' core abilities, like Wraith, Freddy, and Pig, putting them at a massive disadvantage, especially since these killers already have a hard time with pallet looping. SB definitely isn't fine and needs a nerf. I like the idea of having a delay, where you need to run a few seconds before it activates or the speed is a gradual increase. The way it is now, it needs to be altered.

It only lasts 3 seconds, you’re faster than a survivor all the time except those 3 seconds. SB works as intended. To give the survivor some space because it’s not like a couple of those killers don’t have increbidle sneak lunges cough cough pig. Or they don’t have the advantage of sneaking up on you. Most of those killers perform just fine, or perfectly in lower ranks. You know which killers are good for higher ranks with pallet loopers and very skilled sprint bursters, that would be billy, and nurse. Lower ranks sprint bursters are fairly easy to catch up to if you can figure out where they are going if you don’t chase right behind a survivor the entire time they will make mistakes and go in a direction to get away .you can catch up with them so avoid going right behind them and cut around avoiding pallets. Otherwise you’re just feeding right into their plan. Sb is fine.

There are a few problems with your comment. The first is, those three seconds are what kills ambushes, which the pig and wraith rely on so that point doesn't stand. If that's what SB is intended to do, which it's not, then it still needs to be nerfed because it breaks those killers in the knees. SB is to put distance between the killer and the survivor, not crush ambushes. Besides her sneak lunge, what does the Pig have to help her in a chase? Nothing whatsoever, so she NEEDS the lunge to work to get an upper hand. Negating that severely crushes her, especially since her and Wraith are already countered by premonition and a pretty loud obvious sound plays when she lunges, which hurts her further. The Wraith also has nothing to help him in the chase, so he relies heavily on that ambush. He already has to uncloak to hurt you. Taking that ambush away from him leaves him severely disadvanted because he also has nothing to help him in a chase. The same can be said for Freddy. Sure, these killers are faster than the survivors but they are already weak against pallet looping, can't apply good map pressure so they're open to genrushing, and are countered by Premonition. SB is overkill on its own without all these other factors because it negates their core abilities. Another problem with your statement is the point "every killer performs fine at lower ranks." Balancing the game around people who don't know how to play that well is an awful idea. Saying SB is fine because it doesn't work well in lower ranks is like saying Decisive Strike is fine because it doesn't work well in the lower ranks. It's a bad argument. Another problem with your statement is that you point out Hillbilly and Nurse being good in the higher ranks. That's true, but what about the other killers? Should we just ignore the fact Wraith, Freddy, Hag, Pig, and Myers are left in the dust by SB when they are already weak against looping, genrushing, and pallets? Another problem with your comment is "they will make mistakes" and that's one of the biggest problems with most killers. They have to rely on the survivor to mess up to catch them. If SB stays the way it is, Wraith, Pig, Myers, and Freddy won't be able to punish a survivor for the mistake of having their guard down. It's a Get Out of Jail Free card that crushes ambush killers and prolongs chases way too much. It needs a nerf.

ShrimpTwiggs said:

@HeroLives said:

ShrimpTwiggs said:

@HeroLives said:

Sprint burst was and is fine. Lay off SB. Like runiver said it only needed to be tweaked. Where it only triggers during a chase. Also if you’re chasing the same survivor for over 40 seconds what are you even doing with your life? 



The problem isn't the chase. It's that it almost completely negates some killers' core abilities, like Wraith, Freddy, and Pig, putting them at a massive disadvantage, especially since these killers already have a hard time with pallet looping. SB definitely isn't fine and needs a nerf. I like the idea of having a delay, where you need to run a few seconds before it activates or the speed is a gradual increase. The way it is now, it needs to be altered.

It only lasts 3 seconds, you’re faster than a survivor all the time except those 3 seconds. SB works as intended. To give the survivor some space because it’s not like a couple of those killers don’t have increbidle sneak lunges cough cough pig. Or they don’t have the advantage of sneaking up on you. Most of those killers perform just fine, or perfectly in lower ranks. You know which killers are good for higher ranks with pallet loopers and very skilled sprint bursters, that would be billy, and nurse. Lower ranks sprint bursters are fairly easy to catch up to if you can figure out where they are going if you don’t chase right behind a survivor the entire time they will make mistakes and go in a direction to get away .you can catch up with them so avoid going right behind them and cut around avoiding pallets. Otherwise you’re just feeding right into their plan. Sb is fine.

There are a few problems with your comment. The first is, those three seconds are what kills ambushes, which the pig and wraith rely on so that point doesn't stand. If that's what SB is intended to do, which it's not, then it still needs to be nerfed because it breaks those killers in the knees. SB is to put distance between the killer and the survivor, not crush ambushes. Besides her sneak lunge, what does the Pig have to help her in a chase? Nothing whatsoever, so she NEEDS the lunge to work to get an upper hand. Negating that severely crushes her, especially since her and Wraith are already countered by premonition and a pretty loud obvious sound plays when she lunges, which hurts her further. The Wraith also has nothing to help him in the chase, so he relies heavily on that ambush. He already has to uncloak to hurt you. Taking that ambush away from him leaves him severely disadvanted because he also has nothing to help him in a chase. The same can be said for Freddy. Sure, these killers are faster than the survivors but they are already weak against pallet looping, can't apply good map pressure so they're open to genrushing, and are countered by Premonition. SB is overkill on its own without all these other factors because it negates their core abilities. Another problem with your statement is the point "every killer performs fine at lower ranks." Balancing the game around people who don't know how to play that well is an awful idea. Saying SB is fine because it doesn't work well in lower ranks is like saying Decisive Strike is fine because it doesn't work well in the lower ranks. It's a bad argument. Another problem with your statement is that you point out Hillbilly and Nurse being good in the higher ranks. That's true, but what about the other killers? Should we just ignore the fact Wraith, Freddy, Hag, Pig, and Myers are left in the dust by SB when they are already weak against looping, genrushing, and pallets? Another problem with your comment is "they will make mistakes" and that's one of the biggest problems with most killers. They have to rely on the survivor to mess up to catch them. If SB stays the way it is, Wraith, Pig, Myers, and Freddy won't be able to punish a survivor for the mistake of having their guard down. It's a Get Out of Jail Free card that crushes ambush killers and prolongs chases way too much. It needs a nerf.

Jif you are getting pallet looped by multiple Sb survivors that means you are running in circles with them. It takes 40 seconds at leastwell it took for the exhaustion to wear off.

Is pallet looping frustrating , yeah. I won’t deny that. I’m saying it’s one of the only real perks survivors have against killers who can sneak up and ambush unless you’re running premonition or something like that,like you said. That’s more of a warning though instead of a crisis helper. 

It’s the survivors job to look around and not get ambushed. It’s the survivors job to run from a killer. The goal is to survive.

I thought decisive strike wasn’t fair to killers, too op. It needed that nerf. Self care needed the nerf too. It was too op being able to heal while being chased.

 Sprint burst exhaustion was the wrong nerf it should of been where it activates a little bit into a chase, I agreed with that. I’m saying it’s a needed perk and it was fine , it just needed tweaking.

There’s nothing wrong with my points. Not all killers m.o. is the same. There’s no reason that Myers, Freddy, hag, pig , or wraith should have map control like billy or nurse. That’s ridiculous.

 Also they are upping hags tactics so if used right then she should be a real pain as a survivor to go against.

Freddy needs a re-work.

The pig is fine. Yes she does make a sound when lunging but you also don’t know that’s happening until it’s happening.

My point is Sb isn’t the reason you’re getting pallet looped.  Sb is a problem with ambushing but only when you nail the target and they trigger Sb at the same time bc the speed stacks which is the only reason I agree with runiver. Besides that one thing Sb is fine and was fine. You don’t have to like my opinion but it what it is. Sb only issue is the stack from the first hit speed and Sb trigger but that only happens if both are triggered at the same time. Do you understand? Or do you just want survivors to not be able to run faster than you for 3 seconds? Or be able to runaway without an advantage of any sort?

sb is fine the only thing that needs to be fixed is when it’s triggered. Which is why again I agree with runiver. 

I promise if they just fixed that alone every killer would be so much happier, and survivors too. Ya know unless they were using the exploit I pointed out. That’s the only time it is op. 

I never said that Myers, Pig, and Wraith had to have great map control. Certain killers have certain weaknesses but they are also weak against pallets and pallet looping. They should shine on ambushes, which SB destroys the way it is now. You say that it's one of the few perks against ambush killers, but it counters them way too hard. Premonition is already good against them because, not only does it tell you in which direction they're coming, but it has a decent area of activation, giving you time to take off. If you don't capitalize off of that warning, then you leave yourself open. Most ambush killers can be noticed without it anyway if the survivors are perceptive, such as the Wraith's shimmer. I never said I wanted to get rid of SB, I said it needed nerf, so I don't know why you're asking me if survivors shouldn't be able to run faster than the killer ever or engage a chase without any advantage. The survivors already have advantages in chases against ambush killers with windows, pallets, and looping spots so even without SB, they still have advantages. Why do you think that, without SB, survivors have almost no advantages against ambush killers? I want it to be nerfed directly and I agree on the idea of an activation time being added. It's still op without the exploit since it can be activated as soon as the survivor starts running, which counters the whole point of an ambush. The Pig lunges and hits you, you run with SB and hit speed. The Wraith rings the bell, SB to the nearest pallet. Trigger the hag's traps, SB to another pallet. In each of these instances, you got caught off guard, but you get a huge advantage anyway. You said that there was nothing wrong with your points, but I have to disagree. Some of your statements (All killers perform well in the lower leagues, it only lasts three seconds, survivors will make mistakes) weren't solid arguments. To answer your questions: Yes, I understand, I just disagree with some of your ideas. As for the survivors not being able to run super fast, It's not that I don't want survivors to have a speed boost perk, I just think that the way it is now counters ambush killers too hard and is, overall, way too strong for now. I don't think that survivors shouldn't have any advantage in a chase but they already have a couple advantages. This doesn't mean that SB should be removed, it just means it should be nerfed and the way they might go about it doesn't solve the main issue of SB.

@Lowbei said:
the changes are fine. git gud.

I disagree. The changes nerf perks that don't need to be nerfed and don't solve one of the biggest problems with SB, which is countering ambush killer way too hard.

@Lowbei said:
ShrimpTwiggs said:

@Lowbei said:

the changes are fine. git gud.

I disagree. The changes nerf perks that don't need to be nerfed and don't solve one of the biggest problems with SB, which is countering ambush killer way too hard.

your terrible opinion has been noted and disregarded.

It's fine that you disagree with my opinion, but why not tell me why? Why not engage in a discussion about this instead of just disregarding other's opinions? The way they're nerfing SB doesn't fix one of its biggest problems, which is countering ambush killers too hard, like when the Wraith rings the bell and they SB away, leaving his ambush useless, or when the hag's traps are triggered and you SB to the nearest pallet. It also nerfs perks like Lithe and Balanced Landing, that don't need nerfs.