Lampkin Lane (Haddonfield)

Despite the rework, this map continued to favor survivors

Strong main building with two strong windows on the first floor, maybe it is possible to add breakable walls.

Other houses on the map are very strong too, with up to three windows on one floor and can become infinite against some killers.

Not to mention that on this map you have the possibility of spawning the house of pain, with the god pallet on the downstairs

In general, just remove some of the windows, or put holes in the walls

The main street seems very empty, with few loops, and a large field of vision for the killer, making it easier to camp.

It would be nice if there were some obstacles, or a smaller street, like it was on the old map

feels way too open imo and the middle feels very empty you can still get the house of pain and you can't do anything other than leave as the killer, and I don't feel the map as being from the movie at all feels more like a zombie apocalypse with all those cars

Now it's survivor sided, until you are Blight or Nurse.

• 3 (three) (THREE) (I MEAN T H R E E) i-will-jump-into-these-windows-till-they-will-blocked braindead houses
• Main is infinite against m1 and 4,4 killers
• Gens are impossible to control with their spawn mostly in houses
• There are some completely useless pallets, not even mindgamable, just useless.
• Too much deadzones. I mean, no, pallets should not be every 3 meters, as many survivors here imagine, and deadzones are a normal part of map design, but there are too many of them sometimes.
• With adding multiple loops to the map, I would consider making some loops more mindgameable. Cars are god pallets, spawn with garden two lines bushes are two god pallets next to each other as well.

It's difficult to talk about the map without addressing the lopsided composition. Houses are strong for survivors with double windows, but at the same time survivors have no option but to loop in houses since there are so few pallets in the middle of the street. There needs to be a balance where there are generous pallets in the middle of the street with fewer houses that have strong double windows.

The gen spread on the map is way too spread out to defend as a low mobility killer because a majority are spread out on the edge of the map or In buildings.

This map can range from slightly to very survivor sided depending on the RNG with both pallets and houses, the double window houses specifically are unplayable for a majority of the roster, and the bottom of main building just exists to waste the killers time without any actual input from either side.

Most killer powers are difficult to use or not worth it within the houses, and stealth killers are hurt the most by the large open area in the middle.

The only time a killer has a strength on this map is when they are proxy-camping the middle of the map with a hook for example.

Again well covered by others. Although I find it aesthetically pleasing, it’s got extremes in both directions. However this usually leads to being very survivor sided and brain dead to play provided the survivors don’t blunder into the dead zones.

A lot maps have bad locker placement which killers who's power is locker related. I think trickster and huntress have never been at a weak state on these maps because their power is not bound to lockers. The dredge on the other hand really suffers from bad locker placement

I am in love with the lighting, the colors and all the interiors of all the houses, visually pleasing so much, but there is a one thing I do not love and it is the giant road. C'mon Murica is car dependant but not that much :) the roadway + on-street parking takes too much space, cut ~1.5m from each side and it will get more realistic.

The main building is great, I can not say anything bad about it. Similar feelings I have towards house of pain(basement one), also really well done. Unfortunately the three tho-story secondary buildings aren't that great. I remember when Haddofield get updated I thought that to counter the right side windows killer is meant to go upstairs and drop from there. Well it sounds like a fun, unique gimmick but in reality isn't usable that well since every one of this houses have only a single hole on the right side. I wish this playstyle to be more solidified.

I personally loved the old version more

I have been playing for about 6-7 years and like all survivor mains miss old haddonfield, still I do not understand everyone talking about how survivor sided it is because sure the main house and maybe even the house with the basement have above average vaults and pallets but unless you play trapper you won’t have to bad of an issue because the street is a massive dead zone so once you get rid of the 2 pallets that are on the street, you would get a free hit. I always found that playing on the map felt killer sided with that whole area but then again the matchmaking system might have had on it being that I play with survivors who just installed the game or people that will DC at the sight of any killer they do not like, or an average killer who realistically most players like me would be able to beat but end up losing do to MMR lmao.

Haddonfield is a map that feels miserable to play on for both sides. The map is pockets of unfun gameplay with some prerunning to them thanks to the super clear sight lines courtesy of the largely empty middle of the map.

Main building is a chore to chase as killer, 2 very strong windows that have a tendency to not block because chase breaks as you run them isn't engaging gameplay for either side. Toss in a basement that's both difficult to hook someone in, and difficult to get someone out of and you've explained everything you need to about main.

The middle of the street can spawn some fantastic filler pallets, but once your teammate drops it the middle of the map is a massive deadzone which can lead to killers hooking on one half and just patrolling the street because they can't be bothered chasing the ridiculous house loops.

On the survivor side none of the loops are particularly enjoyable to run either, they're just there and you use them or die (which tbh is preferable to the boring gameplay the map encourages for both sides.)

Haddonfield has tons of unique and interesting loops and gameplay for Survivor! I love the gameplay that plays with elevation, and the labyrinthine-shapes of the houses are really exciting to chase through.

Unfortunately, though, M1 Killers are disproportionately affected by the strength of the window loops on this map. Being able to play any other Killer can be a quite better experience, but otherwise every loop can take quite a long time for a Killer to follow through if they have no power that can shut down using the same loop over and over again, or a ranged/movement ability to cut Survivors off from reaching a window on the other side of a house.

The sides of the buildings are so long and full of so many glass windows that it's very easy to tell when a Killer is heading to cut you off, and it's quite easy

The massive clear lines of sight down the middle of the map enable Survivors to start pre-running incredibly early whenever a Killer even things about heading their way, and the open sightlines enable SWF teams to make incredibly accurate callouts/comms that disproportionately affect Killer gameplay on this map.

The open sightlines also means that Killers have an easier time spotting Survivors from across the map; however, the accurate SWF comms on this map can completely negate this advantage when it is relevant. Also, Stealth killers can be spotted from miles away, which is not great.

As Survivor, crossing the street feels incredibly dangerous, which is cool! You can be easily spotted, and there are only a few resources in the center. As Survivor, having consistently dangerous parts of the map have me thinking more critically about how I play maps in different areas, and it makes stealth gameplay more pertinent. Thanks to each side of the map having a decent amount of window vault resources to play around, crossing the street does not feel like a necessity, which is good - instead, I can usually play around the various houses on each side of the street within a chase. Once the street resources are fully depleted, the match does not feel utterly hopeless.

The size of the map actually feels pretty reasonable; however, again, the open sightlines give Survivors plenty of opportunities to start running early, making any chase that starts with the Killer coming from the street feel like it takes a metaphorical eternity to catch up to even begin a chase, which makes the map feel huge in turn.

I think slightly reducing the maximum view before fog falloff would to prevent Survivors from spotting Killers approaching from too far away, and populating the street with more big sightline blockers for killers to sneak up on Survivors with would be nice. This right side of the street especially could use some larger sightline blockers, like another large pickup or something. A line of sight blocker is needed to help killers traverse both across and laterally down the street.

To make chases better for both sides, I think the smaller buildings could either use more holes, or maybe some of the 1st floor windows on the sides of buildings should be replaced with holes. The window vaults on the rear side of the buildings are fun to play around on both sides, though!

One last side note of feedback: on the upcoming Haddonfield tweaks, I would love to see the bathroom from the 2022 PTB make a return! It would not be a problematic area should a window vault spawn there, and should the closest hole in the hallways always spawn nearby for the killer to cut survivors off! Just keep the uncleanseable totem spawn out of it. It would be an incredibly unsafe window vault, and it would just add a small dash of gameplay flavor.

Well if you manage to complete the 2 gens on the street, essentially it's a gg for the survivors

I love the ambiance though

No one on either side likes this map. It is absolutely horrid to play on for both sides and forces incredibly unfun playstyles. House loops are unengaging and painful unless your specific killer power can play around it. The road is a dead zone for survivors. Killer has to only play the road. Survivors have to only play the buildings. It is also incredibly affected by gen RNG. As killer you are praying you have more gens in the road to make it somewhat playable. As survivor you are praying all the gens are in/behind houses to make it somewhat playable. There is also often a huge hook deadzone behind/left of the main where you physically cannot make a hook despite no anti hook perks in play. Even if I wouldn't consider this the most unbalanced map it is the first map I would delete in a heartbeat.

Too many houses, and too many of them are too strong for the survivor side. Killers stand little chance in the Myer's house and the bungalow. Windows are in places that makes it really tough for killers to keep up and track. On the flip side, the street loops and the loops between houses are super, super weak and make for easy hits if you can find a survivor there. Also killer POV can make it frustrating to navigate some houses.

Because of the disparity between loop strengths, survivors are forced to run the houses as much as possible and killers just have to suck it up until the gens pop. Lower mobility killers struggle the most because of this! Also some gens are just too difficult to defend, mostly those found inside the houses.

I think the most logical fix is to:

1. Fix it so only 2 houses plus Myers house can spawn. One 2-story house and one basement house similar to Springwoood.

2. Narrow the road so it's both less of a deadzone, and less of a trek to patrol from one side to the other.

I still say this map is the most visually appealing map in the entire game. It really does look like its from the Halloween movie. I hope to see more maps look like this one in the future. As for balance, well....just remove more of the windows from the houses and it'd be a bit easier for Killer. Most Killers suffer terribly on this map due to all the vaults and house loops that Survivors can abuse..

needs a golden toolbox

I'm fairly sure a lot of people want the deadzones removed, but the houses to still be very strong.

Imagine if BHVR made the streets stronger for survivors, but nerfed the houses as compensation.... there will be so many people screaming "BHVR HATES SURVIVORS. Look at how much they nerfed the houses just to make killers happy".

And I'm STILL seeing a whole bunch of comments on these map threads, where people just want every deadzone removed. For reals? People think every place on the map should be safe? Every generator should be safe to work on, with zero risk because they should all connect to strong resources? There are even people admitting certain main buildings are very strong, but are still complaining if there are deadzones around that strong building.

i think it is more that every part of the map should have weak pallets or weakish window tile-set loops. a dead zone survivor is free down. most of older maps have too little pallet density but too strong loops. Haddonfield is perfect example of that. the houses are outrageous strong loops but pallet density is so low that the killer can turn entire map into barren dead-zone where only play is said windows. A compounding problem is that strong windows reduce requirement to use pallet resources because using a window costs nothing. You don't need any pallet resources if every house is like haddonfield infinity.

That won't work. "Weak pallets" won't be considered acceptable if killers could actually outplay them. People will demand for the street resources to be safe enough that they could safely and reliably get to a house.

Usually when people talk about "mind gameable" pallets and windows, what they really mean is that survivors can mess it up if they play the resource incorrectly, but if they play the resource correctly then it's a 100% chance they are safe. Otherwise it's considered "unsafe", because the killer can get a hit if they play the pallet or window correctly.

The houses that spawn many windows inside them are absolutely miserable to play as M1 killer. I'm pretty sure I've had houses with all 3 windows open, and it just feels awful. Played right, some of these houses can be near infinites, and I'm not exaggerating.

Any good survivor will instantly gravitate toward them as soon as they see the killer, and for good reason. The main building is kind of annoying, but playable for killer. The loop where you vault the main entrance, vault the window in the back, then run by the side of the house and vault the window near the main entrance again is kind of lame.

And at the same time, the amount of pallets on the map is really low. So once the killer has broken those, the best play becomes to play around the strong buildings even more. Not a fan of this one.

Aesthetically it's cool and unique looking though.