Let's Discuss the "Adrenawin" Meta

@Aven_Fallen

Yh, but that's just you running We'll Make It, every other survivor runs DS, Exhaustion, Self-care and Adrenaline, nobody runs Bottany Knowledge, Resilience or perks to buff their healing speed.

If Thanatophobia made it live we could see a change in the meta of the game.

I don't think there would be a change in the meta. Even if there was some killers would be back here complaining about the new meta.

@The_Crusader

Couldn't be more right. Everytime there's a change to survivors, first the survivors complain about it and killers tell them to 'git gud', 'adapt'. Survivors adapt and sometimes change their build and those same killers return to complain about the new most seen perks.

Newbies like yourselves need a history lesson. The stale meta (survivor meta) has remained roughly the same for years - SB+SC+BT+DS.

When Borrowed Time no longer allowed vultures to perform "safe" unhooks (i.e.: no longer rewarded them for performing stupid unhooks by making them too cumbersome to deal with), it was quickly dropped (which I think says a lot about survivors as a whole) for "perk number 4". The other three were staples in every single survivor build.

Only now are we seeing the most used perk since the game was launched, SC, being replaced by something else.

For three years, survivors have never had to actually adapt to anything except the Nurse, and they still complain about her to this day. Hell, some make it a point of pride that they never play against the Nurse by DCing whenever someone plays her (or, back when a certain program was all the rage, blocking anyone who dared touch her). The survivor playstyle has not changed all that much. Genrush is more prominent, but that's about it.

Survivors have never learned how to win chases, they just learned how to prolong them by exploiting the game. They never learned how to dodge hits, they just learned to exploit FoV differences. They've never had to change their builds to counter the things they complain about, they just used whatever safety nets they could find.

Arguably, Adrenaline is the first significant change to the stale meta, following years of not adapting.

Straight in with an attempt to insult me by calling me a newbie. Thanks I feel loved now. I may only have 500 hrs in the game but that's because I have this thing called being a parent so I only get to play a few hours a week.

"The stale meta (survivor meta) has remained roughly the same for years - SB+SC+BT+DS."

The amount of times I've seen this build is somewhere between rare to extremely rare. Most people haven't run SB in a year since the exhaustion nerf, which was needed. SC is still seen because it's useful even if it's not used that often. I run it but I look for other survs first, it's my 'in case' healing perk. BT needed the nerf it got and you're lucky if one surv in a match even runs it anymore. DS, thankfully, is getting a nerf because it was more than needed and way overused. No I have never ran or it even thought of running it.

Survivors complain, killers complain. It's what people do. Especially on forums where they can vent/get heard. No one ever puts compliments anywhere, sometimes reviews maybe etc. Because they're happy they have no reason to go looking for somewhere to complain, they carry on.

The only way to 'win' a chase as survivor is to juke and lose the killer, which isn't as easy as it sounds since the good killers will know the jukes and best spots to do it. So sometimes your best option is to extend it and give the other survivors time. You can't dodge hits, only by vaulting if you're lucky latency doesn't mess that up. You can dodge hatchets if you're decent, but you can't really dodge m1s unless you're talking about being able to 360? Which I guess you would call exploiting hitboxes right?

"They've never had to change their builds to counter the things they complain about, they just used whatever safety nets they could find."

Then let them complain and not adapt, good survivors will adapt. But at the end of the day survivors are skins so when someone finds a build that works for their playstyle they'll run it and will only change it if they want to adapt or want to try out a new perk.

My post was simply stating what I believe will happen. Most survs won't need to change they're loadout, they'll adapt or die. And if there is a significant change you will see some killers in here complaining about a new perk they're seeing more often.

Adrenaline is fine, you will rarely ever see it healing all 4 survivors and saving them. Does it extend an end game chase? Sure but now that survivor has to still get out the exit, all they're doing is giving the other survivors time to open the exit gates safely and either leave, find noed, or attempt a rescue (or a few of those together). At best what would have happened with no Adrenaline is the killer would hook the surv and stay nearby in the hopes of finding an altruistic surv, thereby leaving the survs time to open the exit gates etc. If they were lucky they may be able to hook near an exit, still leaving the other exit free to be opened. Maybe they'll leave the hook and search near the other gate but then, unless the hooked person is dead hook, they're getting saved and survs probably still have time to open the exit depending on gate placement, which is down to map luck.

The "newbie" thing wasn't meant as an insult, though I can see my tone didn't make that clear. My apologies. I literally meant that you have not played the game since launch like I have, and therefore don't know the game's history. That history is key to understanding the current situation.

You've never seen that build because you haven't played since launch. I explained why BT was dropped; however, the rest have remained.

360s didn't use to be an exploit. Hell, I was among the first to do it. Now, however, with the killer's FoV locked so they can't even look directly down, it will make them miss hits by exploiting said FoV and the "hit cone".

Letting survivors complain rather than engage the stupid complaints is how Freddy went from "weak" at release to "worthless ######### garbage" after the nerfs.

I disagree on Adrenaline being fine (and have done so since before it popped up more and more, just so we're clear), but that's a conversation for another thread.

@Wolf74

I'm well aware of the difference, the sentence came across more as condescending than offensive. This also isn't a place to talk about it or attempt an insult. Try keeping the post on topic.

Also @Orion 

It's ok I read it in a different tone than you meant it. It's text it's difficult to get tone across. I've read your posts for a while and you're always very level headed while discussing things.

Thinking you are right does not mean you are, I can say the same 're read as I will no longer rephrase until.you bring something new to the table.

Regardless if infinites or the pallet vacuum were bad game design they still part of the game and when removed the players had to adapt to something else, the pallet vacuum for example had survivors waiting more at pallets than they do now, that was the meta until removed and then killers could hit through them more.

If a strategy is used and becomes the norm regardless if it's bad design it is part of the current meta.

Each side has adapted and that was my point, your refusal to see it is on you.

Sabo was also bad game design they took too long to sort, does that mean it wasn't part of the meta then?

The term gen rushing has always been a phrase but it did not start being a major problem till after the victory cube, it was a month or two after that when all the complaints started rushing in on the steam forums as before that it was complaint after complaint about camping and how the victory cube made it worse, it was also after that when the depip squad got involved.

Adrenaline seems quite fair. I rather go against people with adrenaline than self-care.

LET'S DISCUSS THE "ADRENAWIN" META

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no lets just not

Let's not forget that Adrenaline can be so good when a killer is close to the hook, as it gives you a chance of escaping. Unlike NOED where you don't play efficiently and don't apply enough map pressure but still get the instadown effect with an additional haste effect.

Only if the survivors don't break the totems.

So adrenaline is becoming the new DS.

couldnt care less about adrenalin since i dont host swf in the first place, if it manages to pop at the last gen i am in a little bit of an disadvantage but and they may get away.

if they manage to pop the last gen

also afk freddy with the upcoming emblem changes, everybody will loose :)