What Do You Think Trapper Needs?

I don't think Trapper does need better grass, personally. Think about it- that means one of two things. Either every future map needs to bend around having consistent dark grass no matter what the aesthetic is, just for one killer's power, or every future map is going to have specific dark patches that are basically neon signs saying "Traps here!"

Rather, I'd sooner see his traps get changed to better fit in with the design of each map, as you alluded to in the post. That's a good start, that helps him, but he'd need a few more things.

First, adjust trap spawns again. What he has isn't actually that bad, but it could be improved. Have the traps spawn on the same side of the map as him, trending towards the centre, so he doesn't have to lose specific traps due to them being on the other side of a giant map or anything. I'd also suggest having them spawn in regular trap spots so you could choose to just arm them and move on, but that'd probably require lots of manual effort for each map, so I understand that's not very feasible.

Second, make traps automatically re-arm if he grabs a survivor out of them. Hitting a survivor is quicker and applies basic attacks, but would now leave the trap closed, whereas grabbing a survivor would be slower and open the trap up again. Just... some reason to use that interaction that isn't bloodpoints, is my thought.

Third, do an addon pass more geared around giving him interesting effects that aren't just status effects. For instance, a high rarity addon that gives him Undetectable when a trap is disarmed, or when he sets one. Things like that. Funky effects he could play around more, instead of flat buffs to his current gameplan.

That's about all I'd suggest to start. If you want crazy wacky stuff, I did once propose that Trapper force every map to have thick ankle-height fog to better hide his traps, but that would have some logistical concerns, so I don't tend to suggest it too seriously lol.

All traps should spawn on the map already armed.

Trapper literally only need grass, but new realms/maps keep having less and less.

Second ability: spend extra time to actual put grass on top of the already setup traps.

Alternative to grass, if his traps had a colour pallet that matched the realm he was in, that would help.

On a map like Midwich, where it's small, has nice doorways, a small number of entrances on esch room, dark, and his traps match the colour pallet, Trapper can actually do work, especially if he is running bloody coil.

However fundamentally Trapper's problem is the pace of the game has left him behind. He's a slow start set up killer, but his power is not especially strong to reward that set up, and is too easy to counter either by disabling the trap, or by just running around it. He still relies on very specific survivor mistakes to really do anything, and basement is his only real place where his power truly comes online.

You could load buff after buff after buff on him, like basekit Bloody Coil, Trapper's Bag, Secondary Coil/4 Coil Spring, Serated Jaws, and he'd still come up short, likely become extremely unfun to face.

If we accept he's never gonna be top tier, and focus on just making him as fun to play as possible, 2 changes I would like on him: -

• 3 traps carry capacity basekit. (Starting with 2 is fine).
• Allow him to grab a trap from a locker on a 45s cooldown, which will despawn the furthest unset trap from him in the map.

Would at least make it so you can trap on the go, and still have a trap on hand at all times to lock down a loop when you need to.

Two types of Traps - One that's good with planning ahead (Current) and a new trap that's able to be used in chase but isn't oppressive. The reason there should be two is so they can be adjusted separately because I feel you can't find a sweet spot just balancing one trap. Without traps set up for a chase Trapper just has to rely on m1 and perks. I know with a trap set he can be super oppressive but that's why I feel two types traps would help alleviate this issue.

Make Iridescent Stone basekit.

Replace Iridescent Stone with Incendiary Stone that explodes when stepped on, launching the survivor into the sky and put them into the dying state when they land.

As others have said traps need to match the map they are in

And he needs something to stop basement trapper being so prevalent. Maybe making recently unhooked survivors step over traps? If that is done we can easily buff him further with stuff like haste when a survivor is trapped

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I'd like to see grass spawn on indoor maps (as well as on maps that usually don't spawn grass like Eyrie of Crows) or at least make traps more difficult to see on these maps. Getting sent to the Game with Trapper is one of the worst experiences you can have as Killer in DBD.

Other than that, I would probably make Trapper bag and Bloody Coil basekit.

Trappers core design will always be annoying for survivors because if you walk into a trap in chase you just go down, and as his main thing is to make them not visible it feels unfair almost every time. On the other hand playing against people who play correctly and constantly disarm your traps makes you feel like man with machete...

I would just make it so traps have more camouflage, maybe even somewhat sink in in the ground, not entirely, but some part, therefore not being as reliant on grass... Hopefully giving survivors a change to spot them outside of grass but at the same time making it not overly easy to see them like a neon sign as currently on some maps.

Then make it so he can grab traps out of lockers, because I think having all at once gives issues that Otzdarva explained in all detail...

Give him also the ability to remove a trap from a distance, so it does not happen that a trap you wished to keep gets removed if you get new ones out of a locker.

If this is not enough maybe give him a secondary trap ability that applies on pallets, windows or generators, something you can spot if you pay attention, maybe it enables him to know there is someone? Or it needs to be disabled first before the thing can be used or worked on? I'm not sure about the effect but different kind of traps would be great.

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Most of his abilities will be worthless as long as he faces the SWF. Survivors can work on Gen as needed, and when the chase begins, one nearby can comfortably conduct the chase by simply disarming the traps in the vicinity. His future is only bleak unless he learns to use his high rarity add-ons sparingly to sabotage or his skills as an M1 killer who can finish a single chase in about 30 seconds without any abilities.

Maps need to have much better foliage for his traps, mind you doesn't have to be every map as every killer as a weak map. But when with the overwhelming majority you can see his traps through the grass, it should be denser. Additionally, have him start with all his traps in my opinion and take away the haste.

I had a rework a while back that i thought of before they added the movement speed bonus when setting traps, and i think honestly i wouldn't change it much. Basically i would do the following:

• Traps now spawn near generators this was already done in 7.3.1
• Trapper starts with 2 traps and can carry 3 basekit.
• While walking over an UNSET trap, the trapper automatically picks up the trap (without having to stop or do an animation or anything)
• After setting a trap. The trapper is able to perform an additional action for 5 seconds to "cover" a trap. This makes it so the trap becomes hidden with the exception of a slight indentation in the ground (similar to how traps would look if they get bugged in the ground) only 1 trap may be hidden at a time. If you hide a trap while another is already hidden, the trap automatically becomes UNHIDDEN, this gives you more ways to hide your traps especially on maps that don't have grass. In order to disarm a hidden trap, survivors must first spend 5 seconds "uncovering" the trap, then they can disarm it.
• Getting out of a trap is normalized to be a single 10 second interaction if you attempt to free yourself (but stays 1.5 seconds if someone helps you)
• Fix the hitbox of the trap so that survivors can't vault over them (using a pallet to cover one is fine, but putting one next to a window and having it be "too close" to the window so they can vault over it is dumb.)
• Slightly increase the size of the trap by about 10-15% as well as its hitbox.
• Make it so you can't place too many traps in a small area. I'm thinking about 12-16 meters. Where if you place a trap within 12-16 meters of another, that previous trap is automatically unset and teleported to your inventory (to prevent locking down the basement for impossible saves)
• When a survivor steps in a trap, and the trapper is running toward the survivor who is trapped, they gain an additional 15% haste (this is tightly controlled to be very specifically moving toward the survivor in a tight cone)
  • This makes it so that the trapper is able to potentially get to someone who is on the other side of the map faster. Additionally, it could also be used in chase to surprise another survivor by giving you a big burst of speed.

Possibly make Makeshift Wrap basekit. I can't think of another Killer who is forced to drop a carried Survivor by interacting with their own power.

I like the idea of picking up traps by simply walking over them (if the max number of traps isn't being carried) or by retrieving the furthest trap by grabbing one from a locker. Once again, I can't think of another Killer who potentially has to go away from Survivors and unfinished gens in order to enable his power.

Other potential basekit options: Bear Oil, Rusty Jaws, Serrated Jaws, and Lengthened Jaws.

To add increased spice, all trap could spawn already set, and the Trapper could carry 3 traps basekit.

agree. he needs less hand-holding mechanics in his kit. Two of his biggest problems are survivors being able to disable his traps & survivors being able to escape his traps when caught in a trap. I would never play trapper without iri stone.

Agreed. It's too easy to get out and they should be punished for getting out of a trap on their own. Maybe a heavy action speed debuff or downed on self escape while already injured. Something.

Trapper just need smarter players playing as him

Most people don't know where to place the traps

I got the perfect buff: