Why do the devs hate survivors?
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You will adapt and survive and killers will once again get t bagged and dc. Give it a little time.Twiztidt1969 said:They are always buffing killers and nerfing survivors. They take everything that helps survivors be able to get out and buff the killers to make sure that we can't escape. What is next will the killer load in with us all on a hook and triple pip. Some things I can see were needed but they are nerfing everything survivors have. Soon there will be no reason for survivors to play because we will have no chance to get out.8 -
It's the ranking system that is broken.
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@Twiztidt1969 said:
No I am not great at this game by any means and don't claim to be. But I do enjoy playing it. I don't mind that I die in this game and don't escape most of the time. It is about having fun trying. But the devs seem like they don't care about the lower ranks that just play for fun. I don't try to rank up because every time I get above rank 12 it is all camping and tunneling. So I don't want to get gud. I just want to have fun.Then this game isen't for you and you need to stop playing it. This game is in such a terrible state because for the longest time the devs catered to rank 20 noobs like yourself and it completely shit all over the balance and made this game a nightmare to play at high ranks. If you don't want or desire to improve at this game and instead resign yourself to bitching on the forums because you want ez wins then seriously, Uninstall. We dont want you here.
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@Twiztidt1969 said:
They are always buffing killers and nerfing survivors. They take everything that helps survivors be able to get out and buff the killers to make sure that we can't escape. What is next will the killer load in with us all on a hook and triple pip. Some things I can see were needed but they are nerfing everything survivors have. Soon there will be no reason for survivors to play because we will have no chance to get out.When you come up w/ exaggerated shit like automatically loading into a hook and triple pipping, that doesn't make your position any stronger, it just weakens it.
The changes will not make it impossible for survivors to get out UNLESS you rely on crutch perks all the time and can't change ur playstyle up.
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@SadonicShadow said:
Because of crybabies like you.I highly doubt it was a survivor crybaby that made the devs change shit up. Lol. It goes bothways bruh.
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I'm just gonna put my two pennies in.
I like playing the game. I think it's the players rather than the perks. (Decisive Strike can go away for a moment). But I look at the perks and see that Survivor perks are sometimes directly countering Killer perks. Lightweight with whateveryoucallitbutitisgettingareworksookay, then you have Hangman's Trick for Saboteur... I honestly wish more perks were built like this, so that survivors could counter killers, so forth and so forth.1
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Shitstorm in 3... 2...
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Because of crybabies like you.
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Here you are.
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No I am not great at this game by any means and don't claim to be. But I do enjoy playing it. I don't mind that I die in this game and don't escape most of the time. It is about having fun trying. But the devs seem like they don't care about the lower ranks that just play for fun. I don't try to rank up because every time I get above rank 12 it is all camping and tunneling. So I don't want to get gud. I just want to have fun.
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I will say those mid rank killers may have longer wait times after these changes until survivors adapt.1
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Bless your young heart1
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SadonicShadow said:
@Twiztidt1969 said:
No I am not great at this game by any means and don't claim to be. But I do enjoy playing it. I don't mind that I die in this game and don't escape most of the time. It is about having fun trying. But the devs seem like they don't care about the lower ranks that just play for fun. I don't try to rank up because every time I get above rank 12 it is all camping and tunneling. So I don't want to get gud. I just want to have fun.Then this game isen't for you and you need to stop playing it. This game is in such a terrible state because for the longest time the devs catered to rank 20 noobs like yourself and it completely ######### all over the balance and made this game a nightmare to play at high ranks. If you don't want or desire to improve at this game and instead resign yourself to bitching on the forums because you want ez wins then seriously, Uninstall. We dont want you here.
I didn't ask for ez wins and did not ask if you wanted me here I was trying to get an answer from the devs. But you did answer my question even if you were being rude about it. I see what you are saying about what may not affect a higher rank may be devastating in a lower one. Maybe they may want to have a competitive mode for people who are into the competitive style of play and a relaxed mode for just fun.0 -
@SadonicShadow said:
@Twiztidt1969 said:
No I am not great at this game by any means and don't claim to be. But I do enjoy playing it. I don't mind that I die in this game and don't escape most of the time. It is about having fun trying. But the devs seem like they don't care about the lower ranks that just play for fun. I don't try to rank up because every time I get above rank 12 it is all camping and tunneling. So I don't want to get gud. I just want to have fun.Then this game isen't for you and you need to stop playing it. This game is in such a terrible state because for the longest time the devs catered to rank 20 noobs like yourself and it completely ######### all over the balance and made this game a nightmare to play at high ranks. If you don't want or desire to improve at this game and instead resign yourself to bitching on the forums because you want ez wins then seriously, Uninstall. We dont want you here.
It is not a nightmare at high ranks with Nurse, Billy, Huntress.
As far as the bitching I hear on these forums, you get all those people to uninstall and you'll be surprised at how dead this place will be.
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@benzos said:
@SadonicShadow said:
Because of crybabies like you.I highly doubt it was a survivor crybaby that made the devs change ######### up. Lol. It goes bothways bruh.
Yeah so thats why freddy was nerfed right killers totally complained about freddy being "op" remember you guys got freddy nerfed survivors in general got things like unrelenting and stbfl nerfed because "It was op" and now you guys are babying over bbq the only perk to stop camping.
Seriously open your eyes this game has been the survivors game for too long and i as well as a lot of others are so happy to see the devs actually wanting to fix the game over listening to survivors who clearly have never hit rank 1 and if they did you would understand how much control you have over the killer.
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What?
When I said "that made the devs change ######### up." I was talkin about the survivor nerfs because that's what the OP was about. ######### Freddy.0 -
@benzos said:
What?
When I said "that made the devs change ######### up." I was talkin about the survivor nerfs because that's what the OP was about. ######### Freddy.Ohhh my bad i took it as you were defending dude my bad brother.
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The devs said it themselves, killers are MEANT to be stronger than survivor's, that's the whole point. It isn't meant to be a walk in the park for survivor's, they are meant to have a difficult time escaping because that's how it would actually be.
I am a survivor main and I completely agree with the decision to keep buffing killers because they need it, especially with the amount of SWF you see, survivors have it easy at the moment. This is why killers are resorting to camping and tunneling, they have to in order to deal with all the SWF and perk combos such as Urban evasion/sprint burst.0 -
I think the killers getting buffed will mean more killers will be less obliged to camp/tunnel and less obliged to get salty over survivors taking items they don't like.
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If Killers complain about Survivor Items I often press them on Killer Add-ons, some able to end the chase immediately by downing the survivor in one hit, which I am not a fan of. Because the chase is fun, being able to run from the killer is fun. Being wacked onto the floor by a hatchet is not fun. At least not for those on the receiving end... But, ask yourself this. How many Killer buffs will it take before survivors feel underpowered? Like they have no chance at survival? Then it will turn into "Buff Survivors", then "Survivors are too OP". I'm a solo survivor, always have been and always will be. It pains me to see perks that allow me to play this way suddenly get nerfed. But at the end of the day I'll find myself forced to work with others. Despite the fact that I always find myself being turned on by fellow survivors who run to me when the Killer is on them...0
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The game is adapted to survivors shitting their pants and playing solo on rank 20.
Even then you have 200 second chance perks and the killer 1 meta which isn't gonna change.
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I'm... Rank 14. The highest I got to was Rank 8 only a few weeks after first getting the game... But there is only one second chance perk I use: Self Care. Because, again, you don't need to rely on the three others on your team. But balancing will always seem to focus on these high ranked SWF groups, rather than the minority like me who focus on gens, don't use DS and aren't a part of these flashlight squads.1
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I think it's a great idea to nerf the meta perks like SB, SC etc mix it up a little bit. I think the changes are long overdue and I myself am looking to playing as a survivor with this slightly increased challenge. I don't think it'll affect too much imho but I think it will make for a more enjoyable game. I also think it will give low level killers a bit more of a chance too, increasing higher ranked killers for games thus reducing queue times for all across the board
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Variety would be nice. I started using Object of Obsession and I've had a blast, having to sneak and carefully position myself to be hidden from the killer whilst I spied on him. But I say that if it doesn't take anything from the Killers, don't change it. And SC was one of those things. SB had it coming, given it could literally take away a Killer's ability to ambush.0
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@JammyJewels said:
Variety would be nice. I started using Object of Obsession and I've had a blast, having to sneak and carefully position myself to be hidden from the killer whilst I spied on him. But I say that if it doesn't take anything from the Killers, don't change it. And SC was one of those things. SB had it coming, given it could literally take away a Killer's ability to ambush.very true,
I think if some survivors didn't loop and troll killers as much as they did this would probably be left alone, however I like the idea that you cant recover from exhaustion by running around.
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It really feels like this lately. I think they’re just doing too much all at once. It’s like every week I’m expecting more nerfs to survivor side. Maybe we should take a chill pill for a bit lol.0
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@LadyGamerX said:
It really feels like this lately. I think they’re just doing too much all at once. It’s like every week I’m expecting more nerfs to survivor side. Maybe we should take a chill pill for a bit lol.They were nerfing killers since the game release. Now 2 years later they are finally taking care a bit more about us. Anyone who says "the devs hate survivors" like the op or "they are always nerfing survivors" is clearly new to the game because it was always the opposite.
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I've been asking for Ranked and Casual for so long now.Twiztidt1969 said:SadonicShadow said:@Twiztidt1969 said:
No I am not great at this game by any means and don't claim to be. But I do enjoy playing it. I don't mind that I die in this game and don't escape most of the time. It is about having fun trying. But the devs seem like they don't care about the lower ranks that just play for fun. I don't try to rank up because every time I get above rank 12 it is all camping and tunneling. So I don't want to get gud. I just want to have fun.Then this game isen't for you and you need to stop playing it. This game is in such a terrible state because for the longest time the devs catered to rank 20 noobs like yourself and it completely ######### all over the balance and made this game a nightmare to play at high ranks. If you don't want or desire to improve at this game and instead resign yourself to bitching on the forums because you want ez wins then seriously, Uninstall. We dont want you here.
I didn't ask for ez wins and did not ask if you wanted me here I was trying to get an answer from the devs. But you did answer my question even if you were being rude about it. I see what you are saying about what may not affect a higher rank may be devastating in a lower one. Maybe they may want to have a competitive mode for people who are into the competitive style of play and a relaxed mode for just fun.
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The game is set up so that survivors control the game. The killer is mostly reactionary, and survivors have a much higher skill ceiling and more tools to play with than most killers do. SWF intensifies the issue. Good survivors = survivors win, regardless of killer skill level. Bad survivors = killer wins even if he's even worse than the survivors. This is because the killer is largely reactionary and has no agency. This means that survivors are overpowered when they're good and killers are overpowered when they're not good, regardless of killer skill level. No amount of nerfs to survivors are ever going to change this. It will just make less skilled survivors die even faster. I don't think the devs can fix the balance issues because the problems are fundamental. It's literally impossible for anything but a Nurse to beat a good SWF team.
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Jesus, these toxic really shows out the community huh.
Essentially, Survivors started out real strong. First they had extremely OP perks, then Decisive strike, borrowed time, vacuum etc.. Now, Developers started balancing it out, but due to the fact that they are doing in a short span of time, it looks like they are just nerfing survivors. So yeah, i'm sure the nerfs will stop when a certain point is achieved.0 -
@OP I currently like the killers getting buffed, it's more fun and challenging However I feel like that certain nerfs are kinda overwhelming (I'll talk about that later) but it goes both ways. Survivors need buffs in certain areas and so do killers, yeah killers may need more buffs than a survivor would but overall it goes both ways.
The only nerf I dislike is Self Care:
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Survivors were ridiculously overpowered at Launch and even becomes stronger when Laurie came in with Decisive Strike. It didn't take long before people figured out how to use infinite as well as well as healing. then people figure out jungle gyms and it kept going from there
Back then healing was ridiculously overpowered, I used to run infinite build where I can heal myself back in 5-7 seconds or less without the use of medkit, as you can see in this video vs Tru
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsie4pHH99EGood old times
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and back then when people ask Devs on Infinite, on stream Cote actually responded by saying Survivors are meant to have things that taunt the killer into chasing them and that it's fine.
It took a ridiculously long time before Infinite was removed from the game, and SWF til this day is still left untouched
If you think the devs hate survivors, then you clearly have no clue about what you're talking about
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What do you mean? I’m hoping this game will finally become a challenge on BOTH sides! Good job devs keep it up2
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Well I am just gonna say that when you have 12 killers in the game and only 2 or maybe 3 are viable ( Nurse, Billy and possibly Huntress ) then there are some big issues. But not on the survivor side. Survivors have had Decisive strike for nearly 2 YEARS now and they are only now just considering nerfing it. Self Care doesn't look like it is going anywhere anytime soon, and the pallet "nerfs" that they did actully did nothing and in some cases ( Macmillan Estate ) actually ADDED pallets in. Survivors have not even remotely felt the nerf hammer unlike killers who have had to deal with Freddy getting destroyed a week after his release, ridiculous buffs to the flashlights although at least they reverted that, and whenever they do nerf survivors it feels like they try to compensate them by nerfing killers as well.
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Oh believe me, we killers have been nerfed quite a bit since release. have a look
https://steamcommunity.com/app/381210/discussions/0/1621724915795099897/
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4&feature=youtu.be
