Thoughts on Otz’s Comment on Plague Now Losing Power Through More Stuns

I also disagree with Otz. I don't think it will be that difficult for players to learn stun = lose power, and flashlight saves / sabo wiggles don't contribute so in terms of "bullying" not much will change.

DS deactivating plague's power is good and should stay. If someone tries to use it aggressively and you have your power, they are 99% of the time misplaying and who cares if they try to take hits against red puke. Otz says it will encourage slugging but in reality plague already slugs with the power when able, this will encourage plagues that tunnel off hook to try and use the rest of their power before picking up, which gives survivors a chance to save their teammate and prevent hard tunnels, which is good.

As for head on and blast mine, these perks are bad and not run often. I don't consider it much of an issue that they counter Plague's power, the former allows for more counterplay against the killer and the latter in the current meta only impacts pop. If it encourages killers to not kick gens while they are using their power, so what, they can kick it later. If it wastes their pop, good, pop is strong enough as is and introducing scenarios where it might not be the best pick as well as encouraging survivors to run less popular perks is great.

I agree with a lot of what he said here. For example, this only incentivises more slugging and Pain Res, Deadlock, Grim Embrace etc. because you don't want to risk kicking a gen with a blast mine. It won't make her much weaker but it's one of these nerfs, that are just baffling. Plague has been in this game for almost 5 years and she has received a fair amount of changes and only now have they fixed this "bug"? They never noticed, that she didn't work correctly in 5 years?

This is just like when they changed the killer's hit animation so that they would look down because "they had always intended this". I didn't believe it back then (I mean, just look at Hag's animation and tell me it makes sense for her to look down) and I don't believe it now. Instead of focusing resources on non-issues, can we maybe try to fix what's actually broken? Like the servers, visual bugs with several survivors and killers (skirtless Ada and Nemesis are a thing btw), Knight, Bubba's random tantrum, Balanced Landing, Potential Energy, rubberbanding etc.

"DS should disable killer's power" has been a popular suggestion to level the playingfield between killers for quite some time. I just don't think anyone considered Plague would be the first one hit, she's not exactly on the level of Blight and Nurse.

I'm not particularly concerned about DS, but I do think that could make Blast Mine a little problematic for Plague players. You now can't take 2 seconds to kick a gen while in power, and with how effective gen kicking is now to gen defence, that's going to significantly affect how people play her.

I think it's a really unnecessary mechanic for Plague, to be honest. And stuns are way too ping dependent to tie a killer losing their power to them.

For a few seconds only. So I guess he would be okay with Plague not being able to red puke for like 5 seconds after getting DS'd rather than outright lose it.

I don't know why Otz thinks this change will affect newer players so much.

And this is such a minor "nerf", I really don't think it will make much difference to her performance for most other players either. I'm not a very good Plague, so I'm probably at a much lower MMR than Otz. And from my point of view, it's her ability to keep Survivors injured that makes her strong, not her ability to get ranged downs. She's like Legion in that respect, but with a little bit extra. Her ranged instadown attack is more of a bonus to new players, since it takes a fair amount of practice to be really effective with it.

Besides, weaker teams also cleanse very often. So it won't be such a big deal if you lose your power, since you'll probably have plenty of corrupted fountains around the map to get it back pretty quickly anyway.

I don't really care as much about DS taking it away since it's more avoidable but losing it to Blast Mine/Head On shouldn't be a thing.

I think it’s an alright change it’s just the way they did it that is strange.

I agree with him that calling this a bug despite being how it functioned for 5 years is ridiculous. If they had instead just come out and said it was on purpose then I don’t think it would be a big deal. Other killers that lose their power when pallet stunned lose it on all other stuns as well (Ghostface and Legion) so if they did this just to make it more universal then I would understand.

I do however think he is overreacting to this a bit. It’s no where near as big of a deal as he is making it out to be. It’s rarely ever going to come into play and his logic of this affecting new players more is odd considering that new survivors most likely won’t even have access to DS or Blast Mine so it’s not that big of an issue for them.

What a strange thing for BHVR to say.