All Survivor give up first Hook
Killer: GGWP
Do you think that was a GGWP when Survivor give up?
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You realize that people quit over everything in this game don't you?
Of course he could stop himself to say it, but for me it's just a nice little ritual to say "ggs", no matter how the match played out for me or them.
People complaining about something like that are much more questionable for me xD
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Better to say nothing when the match was bad, a 'gg' sounds ironic & even provocative when no gen are done, 2 people DCed & the 2 first kill themselves on the hook. Everyone agrees on that.
As a survivor I can understand when someone wants to leave the match for some reasons and I feel dumb to try to farm him if he is killing himself…
A first round is the best for everyone. The chat post game is useless.5 -
Can you imagine if people could afk and give up in Counterstrike? or in Siege? or Apex legends? The amount of vitriol and flame you would get from both your teammatses in those games?
All of these are games were you usually only get one life and don't respawn, and so there is some sort of expectation to play out your games, and punishments if you don't. if you stack up too many then you aren't welcome in the game anymore.
I really don't get why people want a free pass to leave every single game, you are just making the match miserable for all 5 people involved because something that you didn't like happened. If you hate playing the game so much why are you still here? Go play something else that makes you happy.
DBD is not the most toxic playerbase that exists. But it definitely is the most entitled of any game I have ever played.19 -
Also, a new Tome page opened today. If a Survivor feels it can't be achieved, they go next.
I have also seen them go next after achieving it, giving themselves to the Killer and abandoning their team which is more disturbing.
I had two Survivors try to offer themselves to my Freddy after they healed themselves tonight. I left them to bleed out or eat the DC penalty and lose their achievement. Unbelievable.
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If you think anyone trying to be a good sport in post game chat is a problem, you need to take a break.
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Imagine comparing DbD to symmetric competitive shooters like Counter Strike and Siege. What else would you compare it to? Hockey?
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This can feel sarcastic and provoking if game went miserable. But not every killer knows and need to know if game went miserable for survs.
It's better to learn that GG is always friendly gesture this way one can achieve two goals:
1. Be not triggered when this shows up.
2. Takes satisfaction away from people that use it sarcastically.
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At this point it’s just a habit for me. At the end of every game I just say gg without even thinking.
I wouldn’t take it personally, they might just be saying it instinctively.
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I say gg every game. It has just become a habit. Better than people spamming slurs is it not?
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DBD's asymmetric nature has not a lot to do with this discussion here. Why shouldn't one compare it to symmetric games like Counter Strike or Siege when it comes to this topic? In all cases you are just screwing over your team by leaving early or going afk.
And yes, I get that in DBD's case, both sides have access to different characters, unlike symmetric games such as Counter Strike. But in the end that doesn't change much.
Of course I am not surprised that people on these forums would defend leaving early or going afk.
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Let me break it down for you. It doesn't matter that it's asymm, it's a semi-competitive game where one person can ruin the other four peoples game, every game without consequences.
This two sentence pittance is all I can put into the argument at this point because logic is never involved on the opposing side.
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It's gotten worst since they removed depip who would have thought.
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DbD is semi-competitive? If you say so…
But the main difference between the discussed kinds of games, and the reason why quitting is generally more acceptable and tolerated in DbD community than in actual competitive games, is because DbD gives greatly more reasons to want to leave in the first place. In CS, you won't want to quit in order to avoid a 45-minute long 3gen SM standoff, you won't want to leave from never-missing nurse who booted up a single-player game, from lagging killer, from teammates hiding in bushes, from Legion's mending simulator, from og iri head huntress, etc. DbD mathematically can't ever be balanced, but it's also half broken most of the time, and a lot of things in it are unfair and frustrating by design. In CS and other actually competitive games, no matter how bad your match can be, at least you get to actually play it every time all the same, without just wasting your time into the void. In DbD, it's not the case, asymmetry only adds to the imbalance and to the "your opponent will decide what you get to play" factor. These are only some of the reasons why comparing DbD to competitive shooters is as ridiculous as comparing it to hockey.
The fact that so many people in the community actually want the ability to leave without punishment (and leave anyway) should tell you something. You can't explain and justify everything with just "well, the community is just entitled and toxic in itself", because the community was formed by the game. Telling "it's the community to blame, not the game" is just a tautology, it's literally saying "dbd players are bad because they are bad", without trying to look for the actual reason why this game brought up such a mindset in the playerbase.
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I don't remember mentioning competitive mode in my examples, you are the one that brought that up. All these games have casual modes. All of those casual modes also have punishments for being afk and throwing matches.
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Yeah, I think it’s a bit silly to say “gg” in a game where someone disconnects or gives up. It’s clearly not a fun game for the remaining survivors in the trial. I usually say “ggs” or “gg wp” if everyone stays in the game regardless of the outcome… but saying it after survivors give up is just silly to me. It’s not something that bothers me too much, so I guess it’s whatever
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Those games have punishments even In the casual modes. Overwatch for instance just updated theirs recently to make it even more punishing. (And they said it dropped the throw/rqing rate to less than 10% of matches) Rainbow Six is just as harsh. Because surprise surprise. When there's no way to eliminate yourself early you have to just throw or DC. Which one gets you reported up to the point of a perma ban. And the other has insane punishment scaling on how long until you can play the game again. So I feel some of it is the punishment not being harsh enough and having a mechanic in game that let's you eliminate yourself early screwing your team for the rest of the game.
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as a killer who played a single surv game yesterday i fully agree but thats probably just because it was camping knight who tunneled at 5 gens
i really hate it when ppl do that
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"Always friendly"?
The right next comment immediately showing that it's just an empty, thoughtless gesture at this point.
If it's simply thrown out without any consideration for the other party then I would call it self satisfactory and nothing more.
A stretched and exaggerated metaphor would be greeting everybody with "it's such a nice, sunny day, isn't it?" at a wake or funeral.
Swinging from one end of the spectrum to the other, hm?
(I know I will catch flag for this but I posted my opinion on this before and am not going to change it.)
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Whats wrong with saying gg?
Its better to have a good sport than to have bad ones. DBD has enough horrible people playing already. Are we really starting to lash out at people who are nice now?
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I guess you replied to my post without even reading it.
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Nah I did. Just still think it's applicable.
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Nothing wrong with staying silent sometimes. I just don’t understand why killers will say “gg” or whatever knowing that the game was miserable for the other side (when teammates DC or give up on hook). As the killer I’ll just say “sorry your teammate(s) left” and move on. I see no reason to throw out a “GG”.
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But what if the game was still ok?
What if the game was still fun for them? The survivors continued to play well, the killer played well and despite it being a loss for the survivors it can be a fun game.
Don't get me wrong there are people that say gg to mock others like many sore winners do in this game. I don't like these people, but how should I know their true intentions.
When I get stomped by survivors that bring stuff way stronger than what I have and they say gg in end game, despite me getting one hook. Guess what I say. Gg. And I leave it at that.
I take good sports over bad sports every day. They said gg. They didn't rub it in by saying "gg ez" or "bot killer/survivors".
They ended the game with a gg to leave it at that.
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When Initiated by the loser, nothing wrong with that.
But if it comes from the winner first or only, it simply is thoughtless and one-sided. You wouldn't go to a crushed loser in competitive sports when they are down after a match, as the winner and tell them "better luck next time".
And I'm not talking about close matches but one sided stomps ending at 4+ gens left or with only 1-2 hooks.
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it takes like 2 seconds to type. it's not even being toxic just people saying ggwp and moving on. im shocked this even bothers people.
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I got destroyed by this group yesterday.
They wrote gg, I wrote gg and all was fine. I had a bad match and they where really stacked. They didnt rub anything in.
I had no problem with them saying gg.
Maybe you take the game too serious if something like this upsets you this hard.
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Never compared it to a shooter game, you keep bringing up cs because you've likely played it but that's one of many semi-actually competitive games.
3-gen SM standoff - A lack of agency due to a teamates incompetence, skill and potential a player is throwing because of the nature of the game(just like someone giving up early). I don't like SM but the killer is not the same as before.
Nurse - Can't defend that killer is by intention completely broken.
lagging killer - Lag like this applies to all games but mobas and some fighting games with extensive systems designed around it, servers are particularly bad in dbd though without ping limits.
Legion- not exactly enticing game play but all comp games have very similar games all the time, killers not even strong just not too fun (boo hoo, things can be far worse in more popular games)
Og iri head - I've been playing this game for over 3 years and just mentioned something I've never seen, what's the point?
As a over decade long league player (a game far more popular than anything mentioned) let me tell you a scenario very possible in every game below the low ranks. You go top lane into a counter matchup because you picked after them, they happen to be a strong early game champ and due to that fact they get full control over how the waves will play out. With that in play the only thing that can change the outcome of your lane is the jungler impacting it and you forfeiting a ton resources in order to be somewhat relevant. You have 0 agency and rely on another player on your team to put themselves at a disadvantage in order for you to be able to play(WOW does that sound familiar???).
The game has a couple things that are very frustrating to deal with, but it's doable and people shouldn't' be queueing up to the mental breaking point of "I'm just going to leave 35 seconds in because I can".
Also dbd players are bad. The average player is so bad that even great streamers have gaslit themselves into thinking it takes 6k hours to be good player. k
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"GG" is normally just a kind gesture, it's not meant to be toxic or have any deep meaning. Sometimes I have bad matches, sometimes I have good matches, but I still say "GG" regardless since it's standard and overall respectful to do so. And if I am feeling really daring, Ill throw in a "WP" for "Well Played" at the end.
If you are upset by that, I can just recommend moving on, since a single "GG" is nothing to be upset over.
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Sure you can give whatever incentive to stay in a match all you want. If you get penalized for a DC or can't suicide they'll just walk around or stare at the sky.
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