Why do killers need basekit counter to anything?

Reiterate to my point that the killer is the 1 player in this situation. If you run all that you drastically improve your survivability. Even though you don't have to with base BT and Anti camp (hey look basekit counters). (Sometimes enough to outright win if the killer spends to much effort on tunneling) in the case of the 1. Your running agi because a survivor can just sabo a hook and get rid of your one chance at pressuring the team. Your running fire up and lightborn because bgp and flashbang can again deny your pressure tool. Your running stbfl because survivors can just take hits and sabo (soon to be even faster if ptb goes live) if a survivor is getting tunneled with all their perks they are giving their team a lot of time (even if they dont have them on some maps they can still buy enough time with the basekit buffs to win). I started in 2017 when we didn't have this. A killer could just hit you right off hook.But on the other side, If the killer has to deal with all these stalls when trying to play fairly. What do you think they'll default to? Another boring playstyle noone likes (just slugging for pressure) do we want to incentive healthy play via splitting hooks or not? That's why even as a 50-50 I know how these changes can force a killer into a playstyle noone likes. Because sometimes we give them no other option.

To some, killer buffs equal survivor nerfs and survivor buffs equal killer nerfs. They simply cannot distinguish the two.

They are silly but the sentiment is understandable. I'm all for more build variety but not at the cost of my own fun, which tends to happen when anti-hook is strong.

Sidenote: survivors do have basekit counters to camping and tunneling. The anti-facecamp system works perfectly pre-endgame, and basekit BT guarantees you get to any loop of your choice within 44m.

Because the game should not be balanced around taking a perk when one side has no idea what the other side is bringing.

The same goes for tunneling. I don't think the game should balanced around the idea that survivors are taking anti-tunnel perks. Anti-tunnel should just be built into the base game mechanics. I don't think the game should be balanced around killers taking slowdown perks, the slowdown should just be built into the base game mechanics.

The reason that, for both sides, you only ever see the same dozen or so perks, is because the game is balanced around taking those perks. And when you don't, it feels really bad when the other side realizes it and exploits that you aren't taking those perks.

They need to do, again for both sides, what they do for killer addons that feel "required" they need to nerf/rework the addons and buff the basekit. In this case, they need to nerf/rework the perks and buff the basekit.

Rework or nerf perks on the survivor side like:

• Off the Record
• Decisive Strike
• Borrowed Time
• Dead Hard
• MFT

Make the basekit BT last longer, let it instead of just give endurance, it just makes the survivor invisible, make no noise, and have no collision or hitbox. So they can just get away from the killer and it becomes IMPOSSIBLE to tunnel them. Give basekit kindred, so survivors know what is happening and if the killer is proxy camping or has left the hook, knowing a safe unhook is now possible.

Rework or nerf perks on the killer side like:

• Deadlock
• Pain resonance
• Pop goes the weasel
• Grim Embrace
• Corrupt Intervention

Make it so killers basekit have:

• 10% gen kick regression
• 200% base regression
• 30 second basekit corrupt
• 30 second basekit corrupt on hex totems.

Then from there we can start seeing what things emerge. Maybe after that, everything is fine, and we start seeing real variety. Or, maybe some new dominate unfun strategy emerges, maybe killers start to slug survivors into oblivion, so then we go back and do the same thing, nerf/rework the perks, and do something basekit to deal with the mechanic. Maybe survivors start brining 4 cracked toolboxes with BNPs and gens start flying too much, so we start reworking and nerfing those.

Perks should never feel required, the game should be balanced in such a way that both sides have a 50% win rate if nobody takes any perks or addons. Perks and addons should be just that PERKS and ADDONS not REQUIREMENTS. They should do fun unique things, and change playstyles and strategies. But right now, because the game is balanced around these dozen or so perks on both sides, we never get to see any fun strategies like, maybe a killer does a hoarder/anti-item build that creates some interesting strategies. Maybe survivors start using perks that allow them to quickly heal themselves and each other, and start body blocking with perks like Mettle of Man. Maybe survivors start playing stealth builds that hide their scratch marks a pools of blood from the killer, making it harder for the killer to find them. Maybe then you'll see killers bring things like bloodhound, to help better track those sneaky survivors.

Basically, we need to deal with these perks that are required, so we can start seeing real fun and variety.

In the case of sabotage it should be obvious. I mean, the entire game is built around the idea of the killer finding, chasing and hooking survivors to progress. If sabotage becomes less risky and more consistent, then basically that means that the killer will no longer be able to do their objective even after doing the bulk of the work, which is finding and chasing a survivor.

We are talking about something that is easily recreatable and does not take any effort nor does it pose a risk on the PTB. How else is the killer meant to progress? Slugging everyone? I thought we didn't like that but sure, I guess I can do that. Other than that, the killer has literally no way to progress the game, which means that no matter how good they are, they can easily be beaten by any group of survivors that pays attention or uses the right perks.