The buff to Darkness Revealed and I'm All Ears just mean one thing
Distortion will stay as it is
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Which is fine.
But giving those Perks some love is appreciated.
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If survivors have one single perk that turns off half of killer perks, can we have the same for killers? Like a perk that keeps all survivors permanently exhausted or something? Without it being a hex, of course, since Distortion is not a boon either.
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Mindbreaker and Blood Echo
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They are conditional, while Distortion works unconditionally out of the box.
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It doesn't turn off half of killer perks though. Not to be mean but If distortion is that oppressive for you then you probably should play perkless for a while to enhance your game sense. Survivors usually always make the same moves, heal in the same areas, like to run the same loops depending on the map. Distortion is a healthy perk that you can burn through the tokens usually and won't even bother you with proper game sense.
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If your build is built around aura reading, one single perk actually just makes you perkless. What killer perk can do the same with whole survivor builds?
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Ultimate weapon disable a quater of survivors' perks. PLUS the basekit slugged and hooked teammates.
Give survivor a perk that after being hooked, gives killer blindness for 30sec and killers will see how much a pain when basekit aura get removed.
For Distortion.
A survivor using Distortion does not hinder killers ability to hunt other survivors. It requires all of them use Distortion to make killer cant use aura perks. But even then, killers use 4 aura perk is not survivors' fault.
The aura reading from killers is NOT that much of the problem, its that survivors who dont use Distortion DONT have a clue that they're being wall hacked. And constantly being the target if they're the only one not using Distortion.
Its survivors who should complain about Distortion, not killers.
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But your build is a choice of yours
Also, there are a few aura perks that eats up Distortion tokens by a lot, such as Gearhead, Eruption and the new Weave Attunement
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agreed
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you’re right
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If distortion is this huge of an issue when it only has 3 tokens and has to be recharged by being near the killer, that tells me that you run full aura builds to hand hold you. It’s your choice to run a full build with the intention of constantly seeing where every survivor is and running straight to them. It’s fair to have a strong perk to counter that. Also half of killer perks are not all aura perks, let’s chill with the hyperbole please.
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But your build is a choice of yours
Doesn't answer the question. Will killers ever get a perk that keeps survivors permanently exhausted (without being hex etc)? Will they get a perk that always turns a deep wound into actual downed state? Not to mention there are no survivor builds created only about one of these. Having one single perk disabling the whole playstyle and builds and forcing the killer to stand AFK in the basement for the whole trial once they don't find anyone with Lethal Pursuer is not a healthy game design.
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Lightborne removes flashing mechanic.
Plague removes healing mechanic.
Ultimate weapon removes ~30 aura perks. For some reason you dont mention this but rather bring Exhaustion - the strongest survivors' mechanic to make a comparison to make up the point a perk deny a killer's mechanic is strong. Its like someone hits you on the shoulders then you hit them to the face saying "now you know how much pain I got", no its not the same.
Lethal pursuit killer with 4 Distortion survivors, after 10sec, the game become 3 vs 12 perks. Unless killers use 2 or more aura perks. Again, its killers' fault to use only aura perks.
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My main perks are Empathy and Alert, and sometimes I chuck on Deja Vu, then perks like Mindbreaker and Ultimate Weapon render them useless. That's okay though because no one is forcing me to run those perks, I make a choice to put all my eggs in one basket.
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Mindbreaker and UW don't take away your aura reading perpetually for the whole trial, they only turn it off under specific conditions and only for a few seconds. The proper analogy would be something like "hiding your aura while the killer is carrying a survivor", not "hiding your aura any time and indefinitely" as it is now.
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If your build is comprised of four aura reading perks
A) It'll still take four Distortions to actually disable them, not one.
B) You're going to burn through those Distortion tokens
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C) You're not playing for keeps to begin with. Your meme build does not warrant nerfing Distortion.
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Aura reading is a meme build? Can't even tell if you are being serious now. I guess slowdown perks are also "meme build" then and the next survivor will get a perk that just nullifies all generator regression.
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- the amount of "aura reading" perks is just crazy... and they are all great perks by the way. Distortion will definitely not be nerfed🤣
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If you have an entire build around aura reading then you should be revealing aura's often enough to burn through Distortion tokens faster than they can be regenerated.
I often run full aura builds and I rarely have problems with Distortion players, they might be elusive at the start of the game but by the end of the game (where it matters more) I can find them easily enough.
I find OtR to be a bigger hindrance because unlike the endurance effect, the undetectable effect doesn't deactivate on conspicuous actions, so I can find myself looking for the survivor who's only been hooked once instead of twice, and be unable to read their aura for 90s, which is quite a long time.
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They take it away when it matters most. When I'm on a gen and Mindbreaker is active then Alert (which let's me know which direction the killer is headed or coming from) is useless. Empathy, which is handy at letting me know exactly where a team mate is being chased or if they're around for a heal exchange, no longer gives me the info I want. Mindbreaker lasts the entire time I'm doing my objective, which is a good chunk of my time, and UW for 30s a time.
And on the flipside, if you're running 4 aura perks then you'll be eating through Distortion stacks fast so your perks aren't useless indefinitely either.
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Mindbreaker counters Alert, Empathy, Bond, Any Means Necessary (you can see where the survivor is dropping pallets which means the killer should be there), Trail of Torment/Blast Mine, Fogwise, Object of Obsession, Deja Vu, probably a few more
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You don’t need aura builds to do well. I never had much issue just running Whispers or Spies from the Shadows to find a Survivor. If someone’s running Distortion then it’s a detriment to their team since I’m just going to go after the ones I can easily find. They can’t whine I tunneled when k can’t find the elusive player.
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One of the things I hate when I play survivor is going with a healing build and facing either a Legion or a Plague. Two killers that disable entire healing builds without having to slot perks or add-ons for it, something that survivors cannot do without sacrificing perk slots.
There you go. I hope that helps. 👍
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Ultimate Weapon is assuming that the survivor is even in range.
Doesn't Residual Manifest do what you just described with a flashlight? If the match started without aura reading it's rough but otherwise, once you look around, it's not too difficult to remember.
I mean. It does hinder the killer from hunting the survivor. You can't find them.
Not having aura reading on killer is a problem . You don't see survivor where are you gonna go? Your going to stay where you know 1 is and 1 will (probably) show up. The hook. I can see how not having distortion could be a problem if your being targeted specifically which is why I prefer the idea of distortion getting tokens back while in chase. It would prevent the people who ONLY hide and don't do gens from hiding all game and would make situations of getting targeted less of a problem.
Both sides have problems with distortion not just survivor.
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I don't think darkness revealed is still going to be worth running. I never have seen this perk do anything significant because of locker placements.
I feel like I'm all ear's counters distortion if it's paired with another aura reading perk as opposed to distortion countering I'm all ears.
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Bro that's the risk you take by brining an all aura build. Come on bro distortion isn't an unhealthy perk, but it does show the crazy reliance on aura perks for killers though. Before anyone tries to say anything Im a killer main( Huntress atm) with over 2.5k hours and only about 100 of those on survivor.
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Doesn't Residual Manifest do what you just described with a flashlight? If the match started without aura reading it's rough but otherwise, once you look around, it's not too difficult to remember.
The perk blinds you when you're in chase with RM survivor. Your goal is to hit them, not seeing other survivors or Gen's aura.
My point made is the blindness happens when you just hook a survivor, its the moment you need to find Gens to patrol and survivors to hunt.
I mean. It does hinder the killer from hunting the survivor. You can't find them.
Let's try again, slowly: A survivor using Distortion does not hinder killers ability to hunt other survivors.
Not having aura reading on killer is a problem . You don't see survivor where are you gonna go?
Patrol Gens that you know there are progression on it. Gen's aura is basekit for killer.
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the only change distortion needs is that you should only gain tokens while in chase. Other then that, it’s perfect
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For the blindness part: Even if you made it work on hooks It wouldn't really be that bad. It wouldn't be great obviously since it completely blocks BBQ and Chili but I don' think it would be that crazy. Also maybe it's cause I haven't played survivor recently, but what exactly was the issue with Ultimate Weapon's blindness? Besides the frequency of course.
For the Hinder hunting part: I'm sorry I didn't read that correctly that is my bad. While it doesn't hinder the killer's ability to hunt other survivors, what exactly is preventing all the survivors from bringing distortion?
For the Patrol Gens part: You say that but it doesn't work as easily as it sounds. Most killers have a 32 meter radius which gives survivors time to hide. There is also the issue that a lot of maps have big gen spread, which, I get why but it doesn't really make finding survivors that were doing gens simple if your using a lot of time finding a survivor that might not even be there. Survivors also have a 3rd person view while killer has a 1rst person view. Survivor can hide behind objects and see the killer while killer has a more limited view and can't see things as well.
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If you mean that this means the devs don't intend to change distortion i disagree. Before distortion got it's recharge rework they increased the tokens to 4 before reverting in it's rework. Perhaps they just don't intend to change distortion right now, maybe they will do it in the future at the same time as other changes. Or maybe not but i don't think this confirms distortion will stay the way it is.
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huntress main here who only runs 4 aura perks. I agree with your sentiment but imo I just don’t agree I’d consider it a meme build. It’s just a nice feel good chill build to chug some hatchets. Distortion is mildly annoying but definitely not enough to nerf it. I don’t NEED the auras, but I like them.
The whole distortion debate is like calling for something like ds to get nerfed yet again, when if I pick up a survivor I know recently got hooked, I accept the risk of getting hit by it. I accept the risk of distortions when loading into a match, whether or not it counters part of my build or all of it. 🤷♂️
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For the blindness part: Even if you made it work on hooks It wouldn't really be that bad. It wouldn't be great obviously since it completely blocks BBQ and Chili but I don' think it would be that crazy. Also maybe it's cause I haven't played survivor recently, but what exactly was the issue with Ultimate Weapon's blindness? Besides the frequency of course.
The most annoying part of UW for me is blind the ability to see slugged and hooked teammates. Unlike killers, I dont mind if it blocks 30 aura perks.
For the Hinder hunting part: I'm sorry I didn't read that correctly that is my bad. While it doesn't hinder the killer's ability to hunt other survivors, what exactly is preventing all the survivors from bringing distortion?
Then the game become 3v12 perks. If killers use more than 1 aura perk and have 4 Distortion, its killers' fault.
For the Patrol Gens part: You say that but it doesn't work as easily as it sounds. Most killers have a 32 meter radius which gives survivors time to hide
I always love seeing killers say survivors can walk away when the visual heart beat starts to show you. But no one ever think about if survivors keep leaving Gen when 32m TR starts, they dont do Gens which is definitely killer's advantage.
Average maps' size is ~9000m square, 32m TR is ~3000m square. Covering about 1/3 the map.
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Getting tokens while in chase is just a win win for the killer.
Currently, if a survivor has Distortion the killer may have to use other means of tracking (I started playing when there was only BBQ and Nurses - killers did fine).
If tokens only fill in chase, then if the killer doesn't get value from their aura perks there's no need for them to go out of their way to do anything at all. Either the survivor loses all tokens (which happens pretty fast with full aura builds) and the killer starts to see them. Or the survivor comes to the killer to initiate chase. So the killer doesn't actually have to make any effort at all. They get to just wait for the survivor to come to them.
IMO aura perks already prevent alot of players from developing game sense (BBQ&Chilli brain is a thing) and Distortion probably does you a favour by making you fall back on the old fashion ways of tracking down survivors via patrolling gens and following scratch marks. It also doesn't prevent you from getting some value from your aura perks unless you happen to get a rare team of full Distortion users.
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You should honestly stop trying to argue because they won’t try to see from your perspective. Distortion is factually problematic and can not be denied so anyone who does deny it is obviously biased.
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Said by the person who defend Huntress wind up walking speed buff from PTB..
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honestly from the comments of yours ive seen on this forum, you seem pretty biased yourself...
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Lightborn is a good example of a perk that doesn't require anything (not even tokens) and completely counters several perks and items. The game is designed to be able to find survivors without perks at all, with scratchmarks, blood pools, crows and grunts of pain. You don't need aura perks to find survivors, but they definitely help, similarly to WOO, you don't need it to loop but it can help. I understand your frustration about the possibility of an entire build being negated because of a perk, as on the survivor end, it's common to get tunneled out of the game quickly unless you have a build dedicated to counter something that killers can do perkless.
I think it's easy to become too perk dependent in DBD, with survivors relying on exhaustion and second chance perks, and killers relying on aura and slowdown. Might not be a bad idea to play perkless for a few matches, just to get a gauge on pure skill alone, and seeing where your game sense is at. I do this often, and it's helped me not to be so relient on certain perks or metas.
I wish you luck in your future games!
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Agreed
And buff the 30 seconds to 15 seconds
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Distortion can be countered very easily. Bring Gearhead. Bring something that removes terror radius. There's ample options to counter it.
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Blindness: I see so your bothered by the blindness for slugged and hooked. That's understandable.
Hinder Hunting: So because of 1 perk an entire build can be useless. You don't see an issue with that?
Patrol Gens: I don't think "killers" who say to walk away when they see the hearbeat say to do it every single time. At least I'm not saying that. Also assuming that no one is found that would be beneficial to survivors cause they aren't all sitting on the same gen. If they do get found then the others can do gens while one gets chased. I don't see how this can be bad for survivors in these situations.
Average size of a map isn't really reliable given how varied the map sizes are.
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I don't really understand what your saying about the bbq and nurses part. Are you saying you played when the only aura reading was nurses and BBQ? Cause distortion till darkness among us and didn't become problematic till they reworked it.
Ok am I missing something why is everyone saying full aura builds so often? Are they actually that common? And if it is why is it a problem on any killer that isn't S tier and a few A tiers? I can understand why it's a problem on nurse but that isn't aura reading being too strong that's just nurse.
Anyway the idea of losing all your tokens that fast implies either your team is already losing by a lot and BBQ is consuming stacks or the killer is dedicating their build to aura reading and have 0 slowdown.
This is more a question of fun but what exactly is fun for survivors if they don't want to get chased? I actually do want to know cause I don't see why you would want to sit on a gen the entire time or hide. Obviously there are times where you want to hide instead but enough times to justify distortion to stay as is?
Game sense only works if the play makes sense. Hiding in a corner or a locker for the entire game isn't logical at all. Distortion also kills perk variety which, needless to say, isn't really much.
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that sounds like a very fair trading. I’m down
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If a build truly is built around aura reading, then the Killer has enough aura reads that the Survs are perpetually at 0 stacks, so the Killer is safe.
Also the lack of information is also information. When I run Lethal+Iri Cam on Ghostface, by knowing I only saw X people at the start, I know 4-X people have Distortion (with a margin of error for hiding behind gens). By knowing Surv1 is sitting on the gen, I know Surv2 must be Distortioned and heading for the save. Knowing that the last gen to recently pop was in the left corner, I know they have to be in that direction since I downed Surv3 and chased Surv4 towards Surv1 in the right corner. Distortion only fully shuts down people who aren't actively paying attention to the match. If you aren't actively paying attention to the match, why would you care if you won or lost?
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You mean like Ultimate Weapon? Or Mindbreaker?
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CoCo said it was fine and he has 10,000 hours on her alone, spookyloops said it needed to be toned down slightly but is fine, Scottjund said it was a weird change but nothing crazy and true talent said it wasn’t a bad change but won’t help a whole lot.
I would rather listen to these guys who all have more hours than you do, let alone have more hours on Huntress. She was not overpowered at all and I can tell you didn’t go against her on the PTB.
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I’ve never been biased about anything actually. In fact I think I’m the only one here who can set aside their bias and look at things objectively.
Would I want Huntress to be S Tier absolutely. Do I think she should be? No; I don’t know if any killer should be. Distortion is an overturned perk and that can’t be denied. It is factual.
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Survivors also can't put killers into the dying state. The two roles are completely different. There doesn't need to be parity between the two. I'm down for discussions on perks, but it shouldn't be based on what the other side has.
As far a killer goes, Lightborn shuts down all blinding builds and certain killers make healing either impossible or counter-productive. So it's not completely unheard of.
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Yeah. Quadra-aura reading is a meme build. There's practically no benefit to having that much aura reading. Which is wildly different from quadra-regression.
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The new vecna perk does that because people are too lazy to mind the crows. I forget the name but it's the one where disturbing a crow makes you exhausted.
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