Do you think this counts as tunnelling?
- Survivor puts on DS/OTR, afraid of ‘tunneling’
- Killer plays nice and not tunnel
- Survivor feels their perks wasted as they didn’t get any value from it
- Survivor proceeds to bodyblock Killer to get value
- Killer commits the chase and ‘tunnel’ him out
- “Every killer tunnels, and perks don’t help!”
Seriously that’s what happened in my Killer games. So many times I’m accused of tunnelling because someone decides to bodyblock me when I go for the unhooker.
Anyway, I think with the new babysitter, this is gonna happen a lot more often.. TT
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No. But you should not act as if this is the norm. There is more than enough valid tunneling, because tunneling is the easiest and most efficient way to win for the Killer.
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I mean, yeah, I guess it is tunneling, but they're literally forcing you to do it. They are literally asking to be tunneled at that point. I use OTR and DS offensively like this at times but I don't cry when the killer tunnels me. They should know what they're in for by doing that.
Also, you can just tunnel whenever you want. You don't actually have to listen to who you're going against at all.
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Very few players legitimately consider a survivor body blocking you as you tunneling.
Personally I always like to try to go around them but if they stop me, I stop and slow turn look at them. I like to pretend like they realized they just F'ed up because now an angry killer is doing the Myers Head Tilt Stare at them.
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I mean, yeah, it is but it's not really your fault.
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if people body block me when im playing killer, i see that as a mutual agreement to chase them, no matter if they were just unhooked.
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– Please killer, tunnel me, killer, I dare you. I will do everything to get your attention.
later
– Why are you tunneling huh?
I mean, if you can't 1+1, maybe learn some math before playing games?6 -
This scenario isn’t tunneling, it’s the survivor making an extremely bad play.
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No
Tunneling would be to tunnel vision on that survivor to get them out of the match quickly.
If they need to bodyblock or go out of their way to use DS/OTR aggressively in order to get the killer's attention then its not really tunneling.
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Those scenarios happen more often than actual tunneling.
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It's also not really a rare thing to happen.
I can see survivor bodyblocking for injured survivor, but when they bodyblock for healthy survivor, they are going to die for it...
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Just a reminder.
Tunneling implies tunnel vision, as in "working to kill a survivor out of the game against the killer's own interest". (e.g. ignoring a closer survivor and wasting time to find the "obsession")
If a survivor body-blocks I make a point showing him the errors of his way. Usually once is enough.
That's not tunneling, not even a little.
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It is still tunneling.
Deserved? Sure.
Same thing as camping in this scenario.
You hook someone and see two people near the hook. Obviously, you aren't gonna leave and let them have a free unhook. Are you camping? Yes. Is it a bad thing in this scenario? No.
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This is a pretty vague scenario though.
The killer going immediately back to hook on an unhook is going to look like an intention to tunnel no matter what.
Maybe the killer wants to go for the unhooker, but the survivors can't know that. And unless the killer is actually intending to tunnel, it's a pretty poor macro decision to say 'you know what, I could go interrupt these "super fast gens" and apply map pressure, but instead I'm gonna go after one of the two survivors I know for a fact are already doing something else.'
And the majority of the time, given the option between two health states and zero hook states (the unhooker) and two health states with endurance and at least one hook state, most people going back to hook are going to aim for getting someone out quickly.
Going back to hook is either 'I'm gonna tunnel' or 'i can't find anyone else, so I do as the unhook notification recommends'. It's impossible to know which, but either way, the options are:
- Apply map pressure, interrupt gens (you aren't back at hook, so aren't tunneling)
- Killer goes back to hook with the goal of getting someone out quickly (tunneling option)
- The killer has no concept of macro gameplay, and is only going to hook to chase the unhooker.
I'm not sure why survivor should assume the killer is a bot triggered by unhook notifications, since that's the only option that puts the killer back at hook with the intention of playing sub optimally.
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That's absolutely no tunneling, the survivor did want to use his perk for a thing it's not made for and you punished him for that. That's just a try to make themself feel better for misplaying completely.
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I consider it to be tunneling by proxy. The killer is technically tunneling the survivor that desires to be tunneled, but you also can’t blame them for tunneling them because, well, they kind of asked for it.
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Not really tunneling as it's basically having tunnel vision for one survivor and only going after them. If they go out of their way to interrupt your current chase or cross paths after having plenty of time to run away it's not your fault for trying to take advantage of it.
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Babysitter doesn't give endurance... so why would someone body block you with it? It basically gives the other survivor No Mither with the bonus of a speed boost for 30 seconds.
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The killer going immediately back to hook on an unhook is going to look like an intention to tunnel no matter what.
Not really, if I didn't find a chase when unhooking happens, I know about location of 2 survivors probably healing there. It's just better for me to go there and enter chase immediately then keep looking around the map.
And if unhooked survivor is bodyblocking, then it doesn't really seem like killer had an intention to tunnel.
Maybe the killer wants to go for the unhooker, but the survivors can't know that.
What the hell? Killer tries to run behind healthy survivor, easiest way how to find out is to let injured survivor go for any loop. But injured survivor instead bodyblocks the killer, what a nice way to "find out" (get) killer to tunnel.
since that's the only option that puts the killer back at hook with the intention of playing sub optimally.
Not really, if there are not survivors around gens I want to defend, then just going into any chase asap is best I can do, which is returning to hook.
Talk about vague scenario calling it no macro :D
And if killer would actually want to tunnel, then it should be health survivor trying to bodyblock the killer. Not other way around....
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If a survivor is physically looking for the killers attention instead of laying low and healing then it's NOT tunneling.
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You know if a survivor body blocks with babysitter active the effect of it is non existent.
Apart from the fact that this would be a pretty stupid play, there is no disadvantage for you as a killer.
If a survivor aggressively tries to block you with his anti tunnel perks, hit him as early as possible.
There's no reason to play around it, after the hit there is no more collision with this survivor.1 -
He prob running pain rez and pop
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No, it's not. 😂
Let's be serious.
If the survivor forces the killer's hand, the "focusing on one survivor against one's own benefit" factor is clearly missing.
"Tunnel vision": it's a pretty simple concept really.
Next time you'll say going against the last and only survivor twice in a row is tunneling 🤣
Anyway …
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Exactly what I been saying for years, survivors say they love the chase and looping is the only skillful and fun aspect of the game for them. But complain when the loops fail and they get caught. I think it's a universal thing that survivors are supposed to loop because it's part of the game "what am I supposed to do, let you kill me?" Is what I usually hear. Well in that same respect from a killer view, "what am I supposed to, let you run free when I can see your injured and weaker than the rest?" :) killers kill, they don't say "sorry already hooked you, not allowed to chase you again"
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How would you even hook the last Survivor twice, doesn't make sense.
Just because you're ashamed of tunneling doesn't mean my definition isn't valid.
Not my job to convince you though.
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I think if someone puts themselves in your way deliberately, that's a direct choice saying "I want you to hit me/chase me". Therefore by definition it can't be tunnelling, because you didn't go out of your way to single them out, they put themselves there in front of you and quite literally asked for the chase.
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I would say it's still tunneling. They can try to bodyblock and try to force you to swing at them, but that's it. There's nothing else they can really force you to do after that. The killer still has the choice in who they are chasing.
That doesn't make it a bad thing either way. Tunneling is allowed. In cases like these, if the survivor didn't want to be tunneled, then they should have taken the opportunity they were given to run away.
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TBF I have hooked last survivor then went to close the hatch before the survivor died, they then jumped off the hook and escaped. My fault for not camping lol could have had 4k
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Reminds me of the time I got called a tunneling noob by a survivor whenever I hooked 2 other people before I chased him again
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Unlucky tbh
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No, survivors forced your hand. Survivor induced tunneling is a very real thing and happens a lot. Survivors trying to use force value from anti tunnel perks, the unhooker immediately hiding after unhooking, and immediately running to extremely strong tiles like dead dawg main are very common situations where chasing the unhooked survivor is the only correct move.
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No. The second a surv uses their protection to bodyblock or intentionally get downed to use DS, any claim to being tunneled is forfeited.
If a surv just got unhooked and then intentionally stays in the killer's face, they get what they get, and have only themselves to blame for what follows.
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e.g. He 4%, a slug dies, he's chased and hooked again.
And I'm not a kid, in case you don't remember, I'm not "ashamed" of any play or move.
I believe you aren't a kid anymore either (even if not for long) so I expect you should start getting the concept of not caring about following the herd.
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I don't follow the herd, I make my own decisions, always have and likely always will. I have enough experience to formulate my own thoughts and considering how unpopular some of my takes are, it's rather silly to think otherwise lol.
Also, nice shot at my age, which you don't know and has no relevance to the discussion.
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But if the las survivor is truely the last survivor they can't 4%.
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It's a sequence: he 4% right before the slug dies.
This was a rethorical question anyway.
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It's not a shot. We spoke about this a few years ago (not many). You were seventeen at the time (if I recall) and I complimented you on how you discussed in an much more mature way than your age back then would suggest.
Have you forgotten?
I don't remember when it was exactly (time flies way too fast for me, at most 3 years) but I expect you are about nineteen give or take.
I'm not eager to browse my post history to find the discussion back. It doesn't really matter in the end.
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