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how is this still acceptable by the Devs
maybe I will get Ban for posting this but I don't know how to report this.
Edit: this is the 1st part of of the recording people asking for this so I included it because I have nothing to hide, this is not the full match I normally don't record every game because I don't expect anything interesting to happen and I play on console so its hard to record every game
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There's no point in reporting it because it's not bannable.
Terrible sportsmanship sure but unfortunately not against the rules.
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well, Leon sounds like he's having fun at least 😭
in seriousness though, as annoying as this is, it's not reportable at all. i don't really know what the devs can do to combat this, i think anything they do will massively jank things up...best thing to do is just have a laugh about it and move on
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So why should this be bannable?
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It isn't bannable. Poor sportsmanship on their part, as @ReverseVelocity said, but it isn't something you can report people for doing.
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It's obvious griefing for one.
I'm not sure if it can feasibly be bannable but it really shouldn't be possible to down a survivor and W-S on their body for 4 minutes straight. That's just ######### behaviour and they need to do something about it.
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Well it's not really under the list of bannable reasons and no way to prove its "working with the survivor" so…
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I'm just talking generally, I know it's not bannable but it shouldn't be possible to BM this much.
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I read your comment BEFORE watching the video. You got a giggle out of me. Take your upvote.
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Also, what the the motion suggests (humping) feels a bit more insidious than your typical teabagging, etc. Not to be melodramatic, but I don't think it's a huge stretch to say it could feel like implied sexual assault to some people. Like you're down, helpless and I'm just gonna have my way with you.
At best it's dumb and annoying, at worst it could be triggering.
I also think it should be bannable (especially when it's to this extent - four solid minutes of it is just absurd), but it's also not something you can disable like a flashlight macro, and having staff review every report of it would be a lot of effort.
But it is, without question, the single most pathetic and cringeworthy iteration of in-game BM there is, and anyone who does it like this should take a long look at themselves.
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It's not bannable, but it's very clear that the Nurse was jeering you until your bar was almost empty, then picked you up to be hooked. They deliberately stretch the BM as much as possible.
Although it's not bannable, BHVR need to review their bannable reasons, because this is very clear targetting within the match to make your experience miserable. Unfortunately, the griefing policy is based upon repeated targetting through several trials. I get it, but something as blaitant as this should also be punishable in some way.
I'm not saying if someone does this for a few seconds, before picking you up. But to this extent, there has to be something to consider in dealing with this.
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Yeah the implications of W-Sing are a lot more serious than just regular teabagging for sure.
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"We leave survivors bleeding on the ground because we have no hooks available, not because we are losers".
Always them after the hooks can respawn :
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Not reportable and absolutely shocking that it is still allowed in the game.
I think BHVR gets a lot of unfair criticism, but this is something they could fix and choose not to. A simple 'if the survivor has been incapacitated for 60 or more seconds and at least one other survivor is dead, self-sacrifice appears as an option'.
You could even take the button out of it: if at least one survivor is dead and a survivor gets three crows, they are auto sacrificed.
It especially annoys me because one of the arguments for keeping first hook kobes in is that they don't want to force people to remain in a game they don't want to. We go from 'even though the game might only be a few minutes old, we can't be expected to force a player to stay in the game' to 'as long as they don't keep you in until server times out, it's just part of the game'.
That all of the above is a huge annoyance, easily fixable, and many people have said it strikes them as sexual assault and makes them deeply uncomfortable, it just stuns me that it remains in the game.
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As cringe as it is I don’t think it should be bannable as long as T-bagging isn’t.
The least they can do is finally reduce the bleed out timer by 50%.
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Give em Carpal Tunnel by moving around awkwardly. GG.
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I am also curious to hear how this is still acceptable from the devs. This is how you want people to experience your game?
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If that's not bannable....then I suppose toxic chat at the end isn't as well. Seems like it's in the same category
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Some of you never been through the days of OG HALO, and it shows. 😝
Killer can't tbag the same way as Survivor. But it's the same essence. But as Survivor say "take your humps and move on".
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I don't think either are going to end up bannable, but either way they're not directly comparable.
Teabagging at the exit gate wastes less time, and the killer can actually prevent it by pushing them out. There's also some pretty serious implications from "humping" a downed survivor. You can't do anything about it as a Survivor as well, you have to wait it out.
For the record, I am absolutely not a fan of either. I think there should be a way to force Survivors out remotely if the killer wants to concede the match at that point, so they don't have to deal with the whole BM thing.
However, bleeding out and especially humping are far more egregious forms of BM than teabagging at the gates. That's just fact.
Ideally there should be methods to prevent BM like this without swamping support with more reports, it's an inefficient way to deal with things like this, and if possible the fix should come at a gameplay level. Make it impossible or lessen the effect it can have instead of handing out punitive measures.
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There are very clear rules posted about what kind of things in the chat are bannable. The devs have already explicitly stated many times that slugging and any kind of t-bagging, humping motions, etc in the game are not bannable. So no, they are not in the same category by the definitions the devs have provided. "Toxic chat" isn't bannable either unless the person says things that are explicitly stated as bannable by the devs, such as threats, racial slurs, etc.
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The devs don't need to explain why. Certain people will perceive just about any possible action in a game as "toxic", and the devs cannot cater to every singles person's feelings or else we can't have a game at all. If the devs had to explain to every single person why something is or isn't toxic/bannable/whatever, nobody at BHVR would have any time to do anything else.
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This is your opinion. Other people might think that t-bagging is sexually explicit and offensive. Many people don't care about either of these things at all. All of this is based on people's subjective feelings.
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I remember when teabagging at exit gate was complained about at people said you couldn't just ban players for crouching.
In the same vein, you can't just ban players for walking back and forth.
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wonder why Nurse chose to do that 🤔 why not show the full gameplay
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I don't see why it's "unfortunate" that it's not against the rules. Some people will perceive literally anything you do in a game as "toxic", "vulgar", "offensive" or whatever. The devs cannot cater to every single person's feelings or else we can't have a game at all.
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Some of you never been through the days of OG HALO, and it shows. 😝Hey, remember open racism, sexism, and homophobia? I remember. Not sure why that should make you want to prevent things from improving.
Killer can't tbag the same way as Survivor. But it's the same essence. But as Survivor say "take your humps and move on".Three things:
1: Many survivors thinks tbagging is stupid, dumb, and offensive. Your lumping everyone together is incorrect.
2: The killer can push survivors out of the gate. Still not cool on the part of the survivors, but the killer has easier recourse.
3: The ability to address it would be much more difficult. Crouching is part of the game, and crouching up and down is also used by the survivors to communicate. There are numerous solutions to bleeding out the survivor, if anyone can think of a practical way to actually stop tbagging without impacting other game elements I'm sure it would get lots of support.
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All i see is a strange Nurse player.
Best to ignore like it looks you did. Tab out. If people don´t react to it it becomes boring soon.
You forget that as soon as you are in the next game.
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Hey, remember open racism, sexism, and homophobia? I remember.
I remember as well, and it certainly isn't even remotely comparable to someone walking back and forth in a video game. I understand you're making an allegory, but these words have been absolutely RAN through. People bring these up so often, particularly in situations where they aren't appropriate, to the point where they're losing all meaning y'all.
Like people do not take me seriously when I talk about actual homophobia, because the word has been thrown around ad nauseum online.
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How about you let the devs speak for themselves and if you aren't interested in what they have to say, move on to a different post.
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Report? You should’ve given the Nurse a thumbs up because it sounds like Leon was enjoying it…
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They're doing it to make you mad.
Instead of getting mad just tab out and watch youtube.
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The developers have already spoken though, in the form of the game's official rules. Which makes it pretty clear that silly stuff like this isn't a banable offense (so long it doesn't become repeated targetting across multiple matches).
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No, I've absolutely been through the days of OG Halo (and Call of Duty). Doesn't really mean that they should keep egregious methods of making the game miserable for other people around today. Like even removing the implications it's just a massive pain in the ass to deal with, deliberately wasting minutes at a time isn't fun.
There will always be methods to BM, but this is kind of a different deal to regular teabagging or hitting on the hook or whatever.
I don't think that just because it was necessarily not frowned upon back in the day, doesn't mean that it shouldn't be frowned upon now. I got called my fair share of slurs too in the Xbox 360 COD days. Some things are probably better off left in the past if you ask me.
Making the game less miserable for people isn't a bad thing. Preventing people from being able to bleed Survivors out shouldn't take away from your enjoyment from the game at all, unless you're a particularly unpleasant kind of player that is.
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I agree, both are childish and don't serve any sort of gameplay value at all, but one of them wastes a lot more time than the other.
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They've already stated many times that literally what the OP showed in their video isn't bannable and have asked people to not report it. I'm just telling you what they've said, not speaking for them myself. Thanks for your snarky comment, though.
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it's really funny and baffling people are defending this and bringing up other toxic things to justify this, I wanted to go next game but clearly The Killer wanted something else and I couldn't do anything about it.
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I think the only way to prevent bleedouts that won't be abusable is to add an option to accelerate the bleedout timer. That reduces the amount of time that can be wasted by doing it.
For tbagging at the gates, I'd add a concede button once the EGC has started that causes every Survivor still alive in the trial to escape instantly. This would include currently hooked survivors (or would be disabled if a Survivor is hooked) in order to prevent abuse from a gameplay standpoint. That way the Killer can force Survivors out without having to watch them teabag at the gates.
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They could easily allow survivors to pick themselves up after two minutes as the killer would have already gained value from the slugging experience. Overall, the devs don't care as you're a survivor and meant to have a terrible time for the killer's enjoyment. Didn't you know Dead by Daylight is balanced like a single-player game? You're meant to lose without any counterplay as long as Nurse exists and makes the correct play.
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Then you Should know Tbagging is dropping your "sack" on the individual which is very SA if your advocating for humping in game to be bannable then Tbagging would have to be a packaged bannable offense as well regardless if one waste more time then the other.
Which wanting to ban this stuff in the first place will only cause more problems and more work
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I mean in DBD specifically you're not actually teabagging on anyone. It's just crouching in the case of Survivors.
I agree, banning it will cause a lot of work which is why I think that the solution should be at the gameplay level instead of being passed on to support. They already have enough to deal with.
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Teabagging has as serious implication aswell, teabagging literally comes from putting your balls in someones mouth like a teabag
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That first part is so not true Survs Teabag at exits gates and mid chase to simulate it towards the Killers Not to mention Survs teabag each other when they get toxic.
What next you gonna ban Pig and ghostface players when they bag a downed surv? Or how about Drac Wolf form spam charging pounce on a surv we banning them to?
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I personally have 0 problem with someone hitting a taunt button in games, and that's all a teabag/WSWS really is. People's own mental hangups can cause a wave to falsely seem like a casting a spell on them, but that's their own problem to get over. Plus this is a game where every second counts, if my opponent wasted time taunting me, that's time they lost running away, or hooking me sooner.
I do have a problem when someone holds the match hostage (in spirit) for any time I don't have (legal) agency. A full 4 minute bleedout is holding that person hostage for 4 minutes, with no agency for them to surrender/quit (outside of the 'illegal' quit without BP). An exit gate teabag at least gives me the chance to get an extra Kill if I'm say, Twins or Deathslinger, or at least the agency to force them out if I'm not on of those Killers.
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And you are ranting about a related subject, not the question asked, which is how this behavior is acceptable to the devs. Saying it isn't bannable isn't the same as explaining why they think this is an appropriate way to play their game.
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Why do people like you demand "full gameplay" when a Killer is BMing, but not when Survivors are BMing? Both sides have annoying people.
Even tho I have to say, the BM done by Killers has gone up recently. Guess some vocal Killer Main Streamer or someone like that did it and now they all think it is cool.
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Not asking if it is bannable, it isn't. The OP and I are asking how the dev's think this behavior is acceptable.
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Then bhvr needs to allow Killers to tbag just as eequally. It's all but fair. Or return the second iteration of slower crouching by survivors that abuse crouching. But that second suggestion isn't viable. So let killers return tbagging in equal kindness. BMing is going to continue happening. It's best to just move on about it, honestly
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BMing like tjat should be banneable 100%. It's just making the game miserable for a player
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If you BM someone for four minutes, I think it's safe to say your intention isn't positive. IMO, the game should limit the opportunities people have to do stuff like that.
I know no one liked the mori finisher, but one thing it had going for it was that the last survivor died as soon as they went down.
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I said that because I never think that killers go into the game just doing that off rip. It’s normally something that the survivors do that make the killers BM.
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