Blood Moon event IS a disaster

I hear you , but their point is that it doesn’t matter who a lot of these people are facing they are still dying and asking to nerf killer instead of work on their teamwork and decision making skills. Which I think is fair, being as I’m on the team side of this game and know what good teamwork looks like and what it doesn’t. There’s a lot of boofs going on within survivor that are self inflicted.

I will for sure play as you :)

Thing is, i don't get 4man outed as Pig >🐽0

I mean, you can effectively win non-stop with kaneki. You only really lose against 3/4 man swfs running full meta. Thats kinda the problem

Besides, why play the event if you're just gonna sweat? Just go play normals, you're not playing the event for the fun factor that is attached to it anyway. That was especially true for chaos mode, it didnt even give extra BP, it was just meant for chaos and yet slugging was at an all time high because "no gen regression perks" THEN GO PLAY NORMALS AND PICK YOUR OWN PERKS.

As for Smash Bros, thats a different scenario, because characters are balanced for a 1v1. You can rely on a new character basically having very little to no issues, and if they do have issues, they wont tend to be found untill weeks after their release when people have gotten good enough at that character to start to use those mechanics.

As for counterplay, after In DBD, its fairly easy to tell what can and cant be used as counterplay. When you pretty much get the "4 man can handle Killer X" comments, you have a problem, because the counterplay to that killer is constant communication. Skull Merchant was not counterable. You needed a 4 man squad to counter her because you needed that level of constant information. Kaneki, pretty similar, ignoring his addons, you need to know where he is going so you can pre-run to a tile that he has issues with. If you dont, he can down you before you get there.

Killer mains, right now, are the most entitled players. Whenever players, survivor mains and mixed players, ask for a bit more balance (aka, aiming for that 50% escaperate that was promised, instead of the 37% escaperate we have), killer mains jump on the wagon to complain that it shouldnt be handed to them. Despite the fact that killers average a 3k nowadays due to it being handed to them.

And Kaneki needs a nerf, no way around it, I've played him against players I have issues with when I play Nurse, I demolished them. Nothing they did for counterplay mattered. Mended to remove the mark? Doesnt work for the last mark, gave me enough time to mark someone else. Crouched behind obstacles? Didnt matter, still hit them. Broke line of sight? Didnt matter, autoaim allowed me to still hit them through a solid wall. Hiding in lockers to hide information? Doesnt work, cus mask addon, next game they all brought Hardened or Calm Spirit just to counter that stupidly OP addon. He genuinely is too easy to pick up and his counterplay is basically non-existent, there is some, sure, but you can use perks to compensate for that counterplay. That's a problem.

"2v8 is popular because it evens the playing field for casuals. Regular DBD is popular because it's not a hard game but it is difficult to master. Hard is fine, lots of people like hard games, but DBD becomes in some cases nearly impossible in a round because of sheer bad luck or who you picked or the perks you have. That really isn't fun and it leads to meta stagnation, and arguments that one side or the other badly needs nerfs."

Let's be clear here: 2v8 was popular WITH KILLERS because it 'evened' the playing field FOR KILLERS because they heavily nerfed anti-camp and added the fastest killers in the game to a double-up mode with loops designed entirely for 1v1. (Even with bodyblocking in standard, you have to pay a toll of flesh.) It was unpopular with survivors for same - ESPECIALLY casual survivors, and casual players are the lifeblood of literally every game, we NEED them. That is literally why they had to give 400% bloodpoints to beg survivors to play. If you were a casual survivor trying to have fun, you could die before you got to use a single ability even once, other than the sprint burst or crouch walk passives. I literally saw it happen. As I saw a hundred Weskers and Nurses just sitting outside the weakened anti-camp area so you didn't teleport, effortlessly proxy-camping people to death.

I HUGELY agree with emphasizing casual wincons. I think it's mind-bendingly bizarre that the devs like repeatedly punishing side objectives like chest searching with downsides to mid perks (Calm Spirit) and builds like Franklin/Weave, Dracula perks etc. All that's left it gen-rushing! It was actually really striking to me to look back and realize just how much of a relatively subtle but I think noticeable ripple effect removing BP on BBQ & Chili was. (Or maybe it was just a symptom of fallout from the choices that created the ripple effect.) Esp since sometimes to lessen the effect of meta on the mind you go outside meta, which I think BP on BBQ achieved. ('Well I didn't get kills but I got a full 4 stack')

Moreover, they've only doubled down and doubled down on removing fun/wincon incentive for alternate side objectives. The last Halloween event was a standout disaster for me, something I'd looked forward to for months and couldn't get out of fast enough once I realized what they'd done to it. Exploring the spirit realm was gone. Interacting with the skeletons and making them a part of the map was gone. Instead it was 'if you go in, you get bloodpoints and you get punished. There's one central boring point to go to and as a survivor you trade it in for a boring, weaker version of the bloodweb firecrackers and as killer for ranged - not too far thematically from the blight syringe. The single central location where anyone can do anything is at height so survivors can't drop without paying, and killer powers are returned and survivors stay nerfed. Killers always know where you're going.' I have literally never seen a game so heavily and explicitly punish players for engaging with what's supposed to be exciting event goals.

Because guess what? When you are telling players 'the only reason to play this event is cash' you get some sunk cost fallacy and you get some daily login type people, but you tell them 'don't be excited for anything to engage with in this event except a bit of speed in earning.' I would have preferred basic, limited cosmetic and sound design changes in the map to this.

And the lesson they learned for this event was seemingly to DOUBLE DOWN but also design it so that players are forced to engage with the extra BP tasks to finish a match at all. But the new killer sure is designed to exacerbate the issues of the match and take powerful advantage of the 'toddle back and forth' mechanic! Better buy now!

To be honest, I think it would have to be a pretty different game from the ground up. I think one of the limiting factors is the sheer variety of abilities that need to jigsaw piece together in the same core gameplay and maps that need to be broadly applicable enough.

I was thinking the other day how I think both Houndmaster and Skull Merchant could have been amazing characters in a game where, say, they were the main or one of the few main killers and there was time and space to build around their abilities AND build sufficient gameplay depth in their abilities in environments geared to them.

Imagine a pirate game where Houndmaster is one of, idk, 4 possible characters and the hound doesn't have to conform to specific core gameplay or work around not breaking other DBD mechanics. Her powers interact specifically with hunting for treasure on islands built to accommodate them their pathing, spying on enemy camps or launching pincer attacks with other allies on small opposing pirate bands. In the right setting with enough time or care you could build a lot of complexity in.

Or hell, think of Twins as the sole enemy of a survival horror game in historical French sewers, slums or ruins. Victor could be a counter to opposing players being able to crawl through smaller tunnels, while Charlotte has the strength to move furniture or break windows to send Victor clambering through. I think some of the killers that suffer most in DBD are really cool ideas but they don't have enough space to be the best version of themselves. If I won the lottery four times over I'd love to fund DBD 2 with killer-specific game modes that get more development time for gameplay depth and complexity.

first day of the event and solo survivors are giving up left and right, it’s starting to become a survivor problem. Ghoul is a little OP but we can’t blame it all on the killer.

I had someone dc against wraith the moment I hit another survivor 😅 I guess he didn't like seeing thantaphobia pop up

That was going to happen regardless of the killer, so stop pretending it's Kaneki-exclusive behaviour. Grow up.

I don’t want to play against the sweaty buggy Ghouls or the Champion of Light bug abusers for terrible BP. It’s literally so bad I can’t.

I’m enjoying the event. I just hope it doesn’t effect mmr because I’m dying a lot bc I’m running a meme build to carry cans and heal friends.

I feel like they made the blood generators skill less in order to incentivize players to play the survivor role