Another nerf to an alternative gen defense perks

It’s sad to see one perk after another going on the graveyard. I don’t get why the devs make one popular perk after another terrible instead of adding more variety to the game.

My biggest hope is that enough players will take the opportunity to tell the devs that hex totems need a basekit buff/change (not a band-aid fix like the perk Dominance) and to hope the devs will finally listen to us - which they did in the past like they made the cancle guard bug a feature for the Knight after enough players told them they should do it.

Can we please stop nerfing perks that aren't OP in high level play for the sake of low level play without compensating it in some way for high level play?

The developers try to balance the game for every playerbase but mostly for the average - at least from the changes they did. However, Pentimento is a huge problem for SoloQ that already suffers from so many problems. So, I can understand the change. Nevertheless, I rather wish they would introduce QoL changes for SoloQ to make it better for players instead of nerfing perks to make the game better for them. Yes, this would take more work but in the long run better for both sides.

But yeah, I get your point. I feel like the developers try to do the right thing but without thinking beyond that which means in this case with more nerf to other perks, the killer perk variety gets limited even more = regression perks become even more popular. They also nerfed the Mangled and Hemorrhage status effect which resulted in the issue that many perks and addons became nearly useless. I also feel like other status effect perks also got a big nerf with the Vigil buff since I see this perk quite often and it denied me some instadowns on survivors that didn't had the perk but were nearby a Vigil-user.

They're balancing like it's a party game for low level play but using an mmr system. It's contradictory and messes up high level play where when it's good vs good players it's a dumpster fire of balance.

They either need to commit to the party game style and remove mmr, then sure, balance for low play since it's not punishing the top as much, or commit to competitive game play, keep mmr, and balance for the top. They're trying to be both at the same time and it doesn't work.

Or just make separate queues for each to solve all this. Ranked/Unranked. That's got its own issues that would need addressing though tbh.

MMR being based on kills still is also a fundamental flaw in the system itself.

"This is precisely what they should do for gen defense perks and anti-tunnel perks. I'd argue tunneling should just be impossible from a gameplay persepctive, and then rework all of the anti-tunnel perks to do something else in general. But in the case of gen defense, do things like, buff base regression, buff the regression on kicking a gen, add a basekit corrupt that lasts a really short time, add some kind of basekit pain res-type effect on a fresh hook. Then go and nerf all the perks related to this."

This 100%. Been saying this for ages.

Yeah I agree. They are making attempts to add more variety with perk buffs in patches so they have the right idea, but unfortunately most the bad perks they're buffing are still bad. They don't buff them enough to be good.

And honestly with how many perks could be made good by simply changing their numbers (there's a lot) and how little development time that actually takes you'd think we'd see a ton more perk changes. Perks that need fundamental design changes I more understand the slow speed.

That part I am a bit more wary of, yeah. The rest of the changes sound pretty reasonable depending on the numbers, but the aura reading might be a touch too far.

Something to look at on the PTB for sure. It could be that the range on that aura reading is pretty small, too.

Not wrong. They essentially need to have a solo queue matchmaking system and a separate swf queue matchmaking system. For the swf one, either give killers more bp for the bigger challenge, or have perks work slightly differently (which is likely too big of an ask).

That being said, the community size is fairly small, so separate queue systems might do more harm than good.

Frankly, I'd just toss the whole mmr system except for newcomers which have their own queue. Instead of every match having to be a sweatfest, just have it be a mixed bag of sometimes you do well, sometimes it's a good balance, and sometimes you get completely owned. Just have it up in the air instead of designing the game be about giving you harder and harder opponents which end up dropping out multiple killer choice viability until you get your teeth kicked in and are out of options until you get mmr dumped enough to try to pick up those lower tier killers again.

They are definitely not making it higher numbers lol. They said it was too much baked into the first rekindled totem, meaning they're lessening the first one and putting more into the later ones..which is basically completely irrelevant. Against good players you aren't sitting there with 2+ totems. You can basically ignore the entire 2-5 rekindled effects because realistically all you're getting is 1 up at a time on 95% of matches, so that first effect is the only thing that matters or anyone cares about.

Call of brine, Overcharge and Oppression are dogwater.

They're not missing the skill check and even combined that's a very bad gen regress rate. Roughly half a survivor. That also requires you to actually kick gens, which is very costly throughout a match for your pressure.

If they reverted the Overcharge and Call of Brine nerfs since we have the gen kick limit now, then I'd agree they're solid.

Pain res isn't too great because you can literally get little to no value for the limited tokens. For example, if someone completes a gen just as you hook, the next generation could have very little progress if any which wastes the token. Also, smart survivors just do a decoy gen in the corner of the map to eat up all PR hits as a hard counter.

Dead man's is pretty good despite it getting a big nerf thanks to PR existing, but it's not a regression perk.

Grim Embrace i honestly don't like as it's annoying to go up against, but in general it's fine. Also not a regression perk.

Surge is okay as is, but its major problem is that it was changed awhile back to have no cooldown since it hitting multiple times is on survivors making mistakes...but with the 8 regression limit, now this backfires on the perk. If survivors make a mistake and double or even triple up on downs in an area (especially through perks to instantly pick people up off the ground and so on), surge can cause multiple gens at once to hit the 8 limit VERY early in a match. I've had 3 gens lose 3 of their 8 tokens within 20 seconds before....thats 3 gens with almost half of their tokens gone already because survivors were doing made for this shenanigans. Again, survivors can just weaponize surge against the killer for an easier late game.

Deadlock is fine as is, but again, not a regression perk.

Corrupt intervention is fine as is, and it's a dead perk for the rest of the match. Also isn't a regression perk.

Eruption - would be fine, but this has a double penalty towards the 8 regression limit. A single trigger of this eats up 2 of the 8 allotted regressions for the match. This essentially means running Eruption will make it impossible to regress gens by the end of the match where gen control is more vital. Effectively a dead perk.

Call of brine is entirely useless. At full power, it reduces a gen by 4 or so seconds. Dead perk when it comes to regression

Overcharge for regression is also incredibly low. Realistically, the only regression it actually does is if survivors are bad at skill checks and does absolutely nothing if survivors are at least half decent at the game. It's nice for a first surprise, but once survivors know you run it, it's a non issue for them.

Oppression [edit for accuracy - thank you jesterkind]. Oppression is regression, but all it does is base regression which is incredibly weak. Skill checks are a non issue for any seasoned survivor.

To be honest, if first totem is anything lower than 20%, then I consider it dead perk… Next totems can be something like 2,5%, noone really cares about that.

Perfectly reasonable post but it obviously falls on deaf ears considering the obvious survivor bias on these forums.

Also, smart survivors just do a decoy gen in the corner of the map to eat up all PR hits as a hard counter.

The 'hard' counter is taking a survivor out of the match for 80+ seconds to set up the target gen, not to mention someone going back and spending time on it to stop it from regressing so it can still take the next pain rez.

That is still a massive amount of value.

Surge is okay as is, but it's major problem is that it was changed awhile back to have no cooldown since it hitting multiple times is on survivors making mistakes...but with the 8 regression limit, now this backfires on the perk. If survivors make a mistake and double or even triple up on downs in an area (especially through perks to instantly pick people up off the ground and so on), surge can cause multiple gens at once to hit the 8 limit VERY early in a match. I've had a gen lose 3 of it's 8 tokens within 20 seconds before....thats 3 gens with almost half of their tokens gone already!

And that's five tokens still remaining. Even if 3 survivors run back and commit the same mistake again, you still have two more tokens (and running out of tokens isn't a penalty, it's only when you need a 9th regression that it matters).

And if you had it trigger 3 times in 20 seconds, you got a lot of downs in a row, you're probably not just winning, but already won, you just got a massive amount of regression, and the gen kick limit is irrelevant.