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Make sure Ash's perks are Bill tier
I can't help but notice a symmetry with Ash release.
When Bill was introduced, there were also a lot of drama with survivors. They were complaining about facecamping which had no counter, cause killer could body block the hook. It was also the time of slugging meta, because of how strong sabo was. So they added Bill to try to fix these problems. Between you and me it didn't fix anything, since you still couldn't unhook and since they also nerfed sabo at the same time and slugging wasn't meta anymore. But at least it gave survivors some nice perks to actually play with, meta perks and they were a bit happier. Basically Bill saved the day. I mean BT was godlike, everyone ran it. It protected both the hooked and the unhooked and lasted 45 seconds I think.
So if you're adding Ash right now in the same way you added Bill, to save the day, make sure his perks will be used. As they look right now, I don't see them being used.
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Mettle of Man is okay. It just prolongs a chase. I think it needs a bit more tuning to be more fair on both ends.
Flip Flop seems super strong. Having wiggle progress already when getting picked up is a game changer; even if it's a little bit. I see iron grasp being great against it.
Buckle up sounds terrible and should be base for survivor.
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MoM and Flip Flop sound great for survivors. What more can you wish for?
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For me they don't raise that reaction of "Oh wow, I have to get that perk", you know?
With almost every killer, they get a perk like that. I haven't seen one of these survivor perks since David.
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I honestly disagree, mettle of man + flip flop seems interesting enough.
I wish we could have our own borrowed time for solo survivors for self use with mettle of man instead of ignoring the 3rd hit but it is what it is. It would be as strong as borrowed time too.
From a killer's point it would also be a lot more fair imo. Instead of hitting the unhooked survivor, just hit the unhooker like you do to avoid borrowed time saves. So there is a counter play. Right now, there is nothing you can do but to eat the thing with killers like spirit or hag.
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I'll probably use Mettle of Man on my David, since he's supposed to be the Tank of the group, but i don't know about the other two.
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Are you kidding?
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No, survivors have it good enough already. They don't need more usable perks.
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Flip flop is situational. There's no slugging meta currently so there is no reason to run it.
I ran Unbreakable a lot of times and I didn't get slugged so I swapped it for something else, obviously as soon as I swapped I got slugged. :))
Mettle of men is also situational since it's only for basic attacks. And only one time use. Also I think the aura is permanent after you heal since it doesn't mention a timer on it. So the killer sees you at all times.
Why would I use Mettle of Men instead of DS, Iron Will, Urban, Dance with me, Adrenaline, We'll make it?
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"As they look right now, I don't see them being used."
This couldn't be any further from the truth. If anything a couple of his perks look entirely busted.
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I've tested MoM and it doesn't work when the killer uses their power, let's say you're against a nurse.... Well unless she chooses to not blink and hit you three times to get your stacks you won't get them, once activated it will prevent you from the dying state for that one hit but it's really only gonna be effective against m1 killers who don't use their power to hit you, the perk totally relies on the killer not using their power which with a nurse that's most likely not gonna happen, also spirit will have this effect if she can hit the survivors coming out of phase instead of while running. But once you've activated the perk it doesn't matter if they use power or not it's just to gain the stacks to use it
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Exactly, also Billy, Leatherface, Plague, Legion, Huntress, Pig. Hag too?
Even if they buff it to work against their power, it's still not worth running, since it's one time use and the aura thing is an insane drawback.
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@Sinner Flip Flop is great for SWF groups. And MoM can be great for good loopers.
Off-topic: Please use the @ tag when you want to let others know that you replied to them. Quotes don't give notifications anymore.
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I don't play SWF
I am mostly trying to lose the killer rather than loop.
I just see a lot better options in my perk slots than MoM and I am tired of them not adding a perk that gives me the reaction: "I have to get this"
Meanwhile, on the killer side: Make your choice, Bamboozle, Pop goes the weasel, Spirit Fury, Rancor, Discordance, Corrupt Intervion, Infectious Fright. All give me this reaction.
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@NoShinyPony thanks I'll remember that next time
@Sinner I'm not sure about the others but I know for sure with the nurse because a few of us went into KYF and tested all the perks, buckle up is useless but Flip flop is gonna be A tier considering you really just need someone to distract the killer long enough to get somewhat recovered and then throw a body block, MoM I like it but I feel like depending on the killer it may or may not be of use , or let's say someone else gets chased all match...welp there's a wasted perk slot for you when you couldve brought something more useful
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Ash's perks are interesting and strong. They'll be used.
Have a good day....
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@Sinner Poised is an amazingly underrated perk I don't think alot of people realize you don't have to be the one popping the generator for it to activate, I would recommend trying it out I have it coupled with balanced landing and while in a chase when a gen pops I'm gone they don't know what happened and stay in the same area usually checking every little corner thinking I'm still right there
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Forum killers with thousands of posts, go away!!!
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@OrionsFury4789 That has to be a bug that you don't get stacks in that situation. You should not get stacks for killer's abilities like Huntress' hatchets or the chainsaws - but Nurse's hit after she blinked? That can't be intended, it has to be a bug.
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No, I didn't know that, interesting, thanks for the info.
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If you think Flip Flop and Mettle aren't strong... you need to change that LF pic to something else bro.
The perks for Ash are just fine... and thousands isn't accurate. I've not hit 2k yet...
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You answered yourself tbh, you are trying to lose the killer so perks like poised or Iron will is more fitting for you along with p3 claudette. I am more or less the same, urban evasion, Iron will, bon and poised is my current build. These 3 perks are not for people like you and me.
However, if you are using bright outfits with perks like dead hard, DS, balanced landing, adrenaline borrowed time etc. Mettle of man is one of the best perks in the game. Imagine, you are going for a borrowed time save and you have mettle of man with you, the killer has no chance there, if he hits you, you will get away with mettle of man, if he hits the unhooked survivor, he is going to activate borrowed time.
Not every perk fits everybody unfortunately.
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Don't worry, I am sure you'll get your sweet spot in the forum killer category soon. You're doing great.
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Survivors need nerfs, not more perks
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And you, my friend, need more posts. You are way behind.
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Survivors need nerfs not more perks.(joke) can I say it?
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@TreemanXD You are under 2k post threshold, hold my beer.
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You can both say it, it's just I didn't expected it from him. From you it's totally accurate.
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Btw, you guys still have that secret killer group on steam that was created during the infamous killer strike?
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I am only worried for MoM. On paper it sounds kinda eh, but we don't know how impactful it will be in practice.
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Hence why this thread was created. Thanks for confirming it's validity.
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So the perk is not ok?
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I guess I'll just drink all the beers people keep giving me for some reason, wait the five days and see what happens before having an opinion. 😏
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