Killer abandon

Ok and what about the last survivor remaining? Down them and they are the last one down. They abandon instantly...why?

Can't force people to watch it, anyone can DC whenever they want. But that is their choice. I don't see why anyone would want to skip that 15sec so badly. If they can't bare it then let them DC like normal. At best make it a clear loss when they do so as if they got mori. Surly you can see how silly it is that people would argue they want to skip that 15sec penalty free, have it considered a draw, keep the items, but not understand if a killer wants to skip 15sec at the gate. Same rules apply to both sides. Both sides is just very silly to want shave off 15sec penalty free. If you want 1 then the other should have it too imo. Or neither side gets that option.

I would like to add, that doesn't mean no abandon option at all for survivors that are slugged. Just means no instant abandon to skip 15seconds that's all.

Yes 3 dead 1 remain. Really don't think it's much to be able to hook or Mori the last survivor.

Except it is over when all are at the gates. The killer can only get a kill in this situation if the survivors fumble big time or maybe if killer has noed even then its such a small chance of getting a kill it's practically non existent. just like if the killer was to go for a hook and fumble it meaning the survivor is still able to run. What difference does it make to survivors at the gate if the killer can abandon? They still get their escape and win. People say it's to get extra BP but that's a poor excuse to be honest, we all know it's to taunt the killer. If it's for extra BP then they worse the bleed out timer to get heal points but they dont. They won, makes no difference if killer abandons at that point. The argument of making a survivor sit through a mori animation is the same for survivors making the killer go through the t bagging animation.

And same rules apply to killers as it does with survivors. Survivors shouldn't be able to abandon when they have the ability revive themselves (Partly why bhvr specifically said plot twist wouldn't activate abandon). This rule would apply to killers, can't abandon if they have certain perks that stops survivors leaving for example and would only be able to abandon when ALL are at the gates. There's no double standards here lol if it applies to one it applies to the other.

W moderation.

In the beginning

@Prometheus1092

didn't ask for having survivor to witness the Mori but for killer having the same option to avoid potential toxicity.

@Prometheus1092 original stance was that it was broken, and being misused; as its considered a tie and not a loss with the feature, they even said they would fully be behind everything if the change was made for it to be a loss.

Which I agreed it should be counted as a loss.


The abandon mechanic though, was not implemented to battle toxicity/bming. It was to get people from the match that is over to their next match.

Survivors at the exit gates is not a match that is over.

It's fascinating, seeing you defend survivor exclusivity for built-in toxicity avoiding mechanics.

Lets make sure we dont gaslight/misrepresent what other people say here. I never defended bming or toxicity in this game.

Also A) this isn't that hard to implement, just a series of true/false checks and B) the abandoning mechanic would be for people that DON'T WANT to try to get the pity kill. Again, not the original intention of neither this thread nor Prometheus.

Actually it is. Just because any of these things are false, which would be far more than what I listed, doesnt mean you cant get a kill at the exit gate.

So it would be silly to attempt to create a bunch of "true/false checks" when that would number in the hundreds. Its not just perks/killer power/addons its also decisions/positioning/reactions; you cant create "true/false checks" for any of that.

If you dont want to try to get a kill, even when there is a chance, thats killer choice. Thats called agency, but you dont need an abandon feature for refusing to go hit someone out of the exit gates.

You can just go hit someone out of the exit gate. If you dont want to hit someone out of the exit gate, wait there. The only person stopping the game from ending is you at that point.


Which is nothing like the abandon feature for incapacitated survivors. They dont have a choice on what happens. Its up to the killer.

I feel like we are just going in circles at this point, and its best just to agree to disagree I have already stated why I wouldnt want this feature for killers and open exit gates. Especially when its just reactionary to your original problem of the mechanic being a tie and not a loss.

Just ask for the current survivor abandon to be considered a loss and I am with you 100%.

My point is that it is a broken system and people seem to want to keep the system as it is and not offer the same to killer. For the sake of compromise I personally am ok with survivors abandoning during a Mori if it counts as a loss 🤷‍♂️ makes no difference to me, I get the kill, the survivor gets the loss. But likewise I can understand why killers might want the same thing, the option to abandon, lose and save time. It makes no difference to the survivors that are at the gate t bagging. Fact is if all survivors are at the gate, inches away from exiting then saying "just hit them out" is like me saying to a survivor "just watch the mori" and no the killer can't get a kill without specific perks or powers because the second the killer hits them they are out the gate.

You haven't actually said what difference it makes to the survivors that are at the gate, what negative impact would it have for the survivor that is sitting at the gate? is it that they should be allowed to t bag? Because the only thing you have said to justify not allowing killers to abandon is that they can somehow get a kill and that the match isn't over even though it is over without the use of perks or a specific power.

Yea I mean if they are inches away just hit them out. Theres no implementation of any system that needs to happen for that fact to not be true.

So far the only arguments made, is peoples feelings being hurt at the end of the match.

Which okay lets continue with taunting.

You haven't actually said what difference it makes to the survivors that are at the gate, what negative impact would it have for the survivor that is sitting at the gate? is it that they should be allowed to t bag? Because the only thing you have said to justify not allowing killers to abandon is that they can somehow get a kill and that the match isn't over even though it is over without the use of perks or a specific power.

Allowed to t bag happens at any point in the match. Why is it such a bother at the end?

Same with pointing

Or beckoning.


You dont need specific perks or a power thats just one example of it working. You could do it from many stances, some that are a combination of survivor cockyness and killer outplay.


It seems that many in here just want systems as a tit for tat sort of reason. Which I disagree with entirely. You dont have to make changes to one side, just because the other side got a change.

It’s not about “ruining” anything for survivors at the gate, it’s about not building systems around ego.

Abandon is meant to prevent downtime, not spare people from moments they find annoying or embarrassing. If survivors start abusing it for that, it’s fair to rework (make it a loss), not create a mirrored system just to make things “even” emotionally.

We shouldn’t design mechanics because someone felt taunted. The game needs fewer loopholes and excuses to disengage, not more.

So you agree there is no negative impact for the survivors at the gate, no harm in it. As survivor if I'm at the gate and the killer abandons, I'm fine with it. Why? Because I don't taunt the killer and if they abandon it makes no difference to me.

As already discussed the abandon was designed to prevent 4min bleed outs, it was not intended to skip the last Mori or hook time. That is a feature that was unintended as a mechanic which currently survivors are using to spare them the few seconds of Mori which they find annoying. Making it a loss says you want this unintended mechanic to remain but as an intended mechanic instead but not offer the same for the killer. it's very strange to want this for survivor which doesn't effect the killer at all and not want it for killer which doesn't effect survivors at all. Certainly isn't showing fairness, balance or equality.

I think we might have to agree to disagree too because there is nothing that would convince me that allowing 1 thing for 1 side is ok but not the other side, especially when it makes no difference to the opposite side. If your only argument for denying killers the same as survivors is "you only want it because they have it" then I don't think you have any real argument.

But what I don't understand is you acknowledge the fact that abandon was designed to prevent 4mim bleed out and acknowledge that if survivors are abusing this system by dodging moris because they are impatient then a rework is in order, but instead of reworking it so the abandon feature does only what it's designed to do (prevent 4min bleed outs), you suggest a rework thats designed to dodge moris intentionally by making it a loss. If making it so the abuse of abandon is no longer abusing it thats fine, but I think the same should be offered to killers imo.

I would like to keep it constructive but I don't see how it's constructive to give arguments that have no validity. Sorry but anything in the last 15 sec of the match that has no impact on the opposing side shouldn't be dismissed on the basis you provide. I offer QoL suggestions that would apply to both sides that wouldn't impact the other side in any way but you dismiss the very concept of it for killer for no good reason at all. I would love to understand your logic but I honestly can't see it. The only way it makes sense is if you yourself t bag at the gates. I could at least understand your motives for wanting to keep that. But if you don't then I'm truly at a loss as to why you would be so opposed to something that wouldn't effect you

I think this is where we are getting thrown off. You say abandon was designed to avoid down time so making it a loss would return it to its original intented purpose. I disagree with that. The design of the abandon was to prevent 4min slug, an escape from being tormented for 4min by toxic killers. I don't believe the intent of the abandon was ever supposed to be so survivors could abandon instantly avoiding the hook or Mori animation. This is why I believe survivors are abusing it, they are taking this escape from toxic killer gameplay which is justified and applying it to regular gameplay which isn't necessary.

In all the years this game has been around I have never once heard anyone complain about the amount of time it takes to get picked up and sacrificed. Never heard any complaints about the last 15sec of the match. At most people have complained about the amount of time they have been slugged on the floor while killer waits for everyone on hooks to be sacrificed so they can then mori because that does take more time. Now this abandon has accidentally given survivors a way to skip those 15sec at the end it's become a big thing that they should have it.

That's why I suggested a short delay in abandon being an option. Maybe 20 seconds? Its a small timeframe for killers to get the hook or Mori if it's the last survivor and allows survivors to abandon when slugged for a prolonged period. It solves the issue of down time against toxic killers while not providing survivors with an unnecessary skip at the end. because like you say allowing people to skip the short end of the match sets a precedent, if survivors have it then killers will want it. Like you said solve the problems not cater to people wanting to skip out of boredom or impatience. I think abandon she be tweaked so it prevents 4min bleed out but I don't think it should be used as a skip button at the very end of the match. The last part of the match is not and never has been an issue so I see no reason why we should start giving the skip.

At the moment there has been several cases of last 2 survivors hiding hoping killer abandons after 10min (that's a separate issue) but they hide together and when found together they go down together, both abandon together. There is no slugging or toxic gameplay from the killer, just down, hook both. They haven't spent any time being slugged. So it's not just the last survivor that's using abandon as a skip button, it's the last 2 survivors doing it.

I do have a feeling something will be done because a few people have mentioned that abandon basically makes it an incomplete match, not really sure how that effects stats or kill rates because as far as I'm aware stats don't take into account DC or incomplete matches. If everyone is abandoning make it a non match every time last person is downed that's a lot of matches that are being disregarded in the statistics.

I mean yea with that logic we should just revert basekit BT and everyone should just run BT if they dont want to be immediately downed after unhook.

Things have to change