Concerned about 'going next prevention'

Well, if people are burning luck offerings, they are at least not sending me to an aweful map, but yeah, this could be a problem, so maybe BHVR will have to remove this part of the rule and only allow unhooking attempts if you bring the perks for that - in that circumstance survivors could still burn luck offerings that give them themselves no bonus, just their teammates with certain perks, which would be funny - especially if you think about it: Slippery Meat users get increased chances and might be forced to stay in the game ^_- oh my

Whats the problem? The whole system has no proper logic behind it and just makes the games worse.

If people want to do this with Luck offerings, that is one less map offering, oak offering, or useless other offering. It's also sadly, one less BP offering. :( I'd rather everyone just bring BP offerings instead of any offerings that tilt the game, but if you really wanna be this pathetic that you build around 4%ing to go next, or stand in a corner or point at a hook or whatever, feel free. But you will get a DC penalty and a loss for it, tanking you down to baby MMR with even worse opponents, so you'll just ruin your own games doing this.

People are making it about the Killer side because Killers playing correctly appear to be the single biggest reason people go next. I've seen people go next because a Legion playing normally tagged them ONCE. I get that, Legion's annoying.

But I have also seen people go next because a Ghostface successfully marked and downed them first try, a Huntress hatchet sniped them, a Hag jumpscared them, a Nemesis existed, a Wesker grabbed them, a Hillbilly mistimed his chainsaw and hit a wall, a Bubba existed, and a Trapper trapped them successfully.

A Trapper. People are going next against Trapper. Yeah.

No matter what Killer is being played, my rounds are being ruined because SOMEONE goes next. This happens when I am playing Killer with harmless normal non meta builds (not even playing unfair with camping or slugging or any of that either) as well as playing Survivor against Killers in general. It's. That. Bad. Go Next had to be punished, harshly, because at this point it's become ingrained habit to just quit for some Survivors whenever some little thing doesn't go even slightly their way.

If you do not want to potentially lose the round because the other side outplayed you or you may face a Killer you don't like, then do not play the game.

Many of those newer tiles were designed with the fun of M1 chase in mind, why? Because the previous iteration was too strong for them; it required you to be M2 or have some kind of strong Chase Power that turned them into 50/50s or forced a mistake. Half the Killers in the Roster do not have a strong Chase Power.

there is simply no map where you will last <20s in your very first M1 chase, let's stop making excuses just to avoid learning chases. Even on Vecna's map you can literally last 60s+ in your first M1 chase.

This, most maps have been nerfed to ######### to have these tiles. I don't mean just for me, there's some I can play and some I just see NO possible way to play it. But for my teammates, anything less than a jungle gym into shack into TL wall, means they'll have a 10 second chase and an unplayable game.

The going next prevention as well as other changes are going to kill the game. People already don't want to play SoloQ as most SoloQ matches have Killers tunneling/camping/slugging at 5 gens with SoloQ teammates crapping on eachother throughout because the match is so unfun. Instead, BHVR focuses on ways to trap players into a match they don't want to be in, when the entire point of a video game is to have fun. Fun doesn't always equate to winning, it equates to having an enjoyable experience which this game fails at if you're not in a SWF.

people don't want to play soloQ because they are usually guaranteed to have at least one teammate that doesn't care about the ultimate match goal. Killers will camp, tunnel or slug no matter if you are in SWF or playing soloQ so you can cross that out.

"Fun doesn't always equate to winning, it equates to having an enjoyable experience which this game fails at if you're not in a SWF." - because you can't/don't want (pregame chat) communicate with your teammates in terms of how you will play so you usually end up being the only one actually playing in a way that throws the match and automatically makes it absolutely frustrating for your teammates (yes i'm talking about just wandering around map for saves or playing some other SWF ways that include not working towards your objective). This is the reason why the actual majority who ends up being in match hates when someone just throws the match or gives up on hook simply because "nobody wanted to catter to their own definition of fun".

BHVR also keeps streamlining every aspect of the game to where Survs have no agency anymore and most of the game is spent being locked out of moving. I mean, this entire patch is really only targeting SoloQ and it's not like SoloQ needs anymore nerfs, it's already easy mode for Killer. Same with Killers, all new Killers are insta taking Surv health states paired with some for of fast map traversal on already small nerfed maps.

this patch is literally a huge W for soloQ literally because players giving up early and forcing early 3v1 (same outcome as when killer tunnels someone fast, but takes even less time) are the biggest problem in soloQ now apart from bad matchmaking.

And sorry, but acting like this is some kind of a "soloQ nerf" just because "omg i can't give up when my fun requirements aren't satisfied" while you have just screwed your whole team up is a big self report and makes people with this mindset absolutely red flags for playing soloQ in any team based game. You are frustrated because you can't throw more matches because nobody catters to you and only you as an individual in the match.

BHVR needs to focus on making the gameplay loop enjoyable and getting rid of the overkill DC penalty. This is a party game with quick matches, there is no logical reason to have a dc penalty system that goes beyond 72hrs and takes 24hrs to de-escalate timers.

1. i think you aren't aware of what party games are;
2. are you aware that you will never reach 72h DC penalty unless you like…DC a lot, right? If you ever reach that point, it's truly time to take a big break from the game and stop ruining other people's matches.

After all of what you wrote, it's not problem in killers anymore, it's not problem in your teammates anymore, it's a problem in YOU.

I really do understand the frustration with these changes and that they seem pretty harsh. They are harsh.

But can we not for once claim that a change made to benefit everyone is "going to kill the game" just because it's going to push out bad actors or force them to stay in the round? Like I get that this is the community's thing, that we hyperbolize every change the gae goes through as "the next thing that will kill DBD", but we asked for this. Guys, we as a community ASKED for Go Next prevention and this is what BHVR did. They are once again giving us the peas and chicken we asked for, and like petulant children, we're going "But I don't LIKE peas and chicken!" and then throwing it at the wall to make a mess. It's exhausting, no wonder BHVR won't try new things, we're cranky toddlers that are literally never happy.

Going Next is a habit. Habits can be broken. If the rules are "you queued, do not leave or you get a penalty", odds are that habit may just break. If people really cannot handle having to actually play DBD, maybe they shouldn't play. It really isn't fair that I have to play with people who queue up JUST to go "Oh no, I don't like X" and then take their ball and go home, ruining MY game. And yes, this is why people do it, it's not just because the other side is being a jerk.