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Hot take over the ghoul
Like the title says my hot take for the ghoul is that he shouldn't apply deep wounds and he shouldn't be able to cancel his power WHILE he's flying. that's just ridiculous lol
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Sooo remove his only way of downing survivors when he can't down survivors with his power. It's werid how people crap on a killer that's supposed to be A pick up and play killer meaning he's gonna be hard to go against. If you ever hear devs say the new character is a Pick up and play concepted is a huge red flag there gonna be very strong or busted
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I think this killer needs more nerfs, tbh. He is extremely oppressive.
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Facts.
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no this is a pretty common take once you play against him almost all the time
(which most of these players who say otherwise wont ever do)
but being able to essentially have a free injury with zero struggle and then have more on top of that while others dont?, makes no sense. (yes even in this modern state)
theres a reason why plague and legion's power revolves around BEING INJURED AND ONLY BEING INJURED.
the power of forcing to always play safe or risk being downed without any way of healing yourself back to full.
and before anyone says it, yes you can heal against it, does it make sense to do so?, no. because its not the same as when a blight or nurse can shred health states, but its the same when legion just takes 2 secounds to injure you while that time it took to heal via teammate, alot more, killing the micro and only advantage you have.
they really should just remove the injury and only give people the mark, turn him into a more technical mobility killer.
if you wanna injure and down people, do it with your m2 that already does everything already,
like quick vaulting or giving one of the best mobility in the game.
theres a reason why everyone calls him blight and legion hybrid or blight 2.0, because thats what he essentially is.9 -
Plague and legion have more to their powers than just “you are injured”, though they definitely don’t have as much as Kaneki does. (Red puke and 5th hit down)
If they remove the injury you would only see more blight/nurse/billy. There would be zero reason to ever play this character as opposed to one of those, his power would be completely countered by hugging a vault so he tags you without going over it.
What Kaneki needs is a shorter bound continuation window, kidnap tech fix (at the very least make the counterplay consistent), and better validation to prevent bites after you’ve already rounded a corner. Removing mend is fine but not necessary.
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My take is that people severely over exaggerate his strength. Calling him "Blight 2.0" is hilarious when Blight is still dramatically stronger than him in every way. He's a strong killer, but nowhere near the strongest currently and I don't see how that's a bad thing. Nobody wants to play more than half the killer roster because they're weak.
The only thing he needs in a fix to the "kidnap tech" bs where you literally freeze a survivor in place for a full second whilst fast vaulting and downing them for free. Otherwise he's in a great place. Hell you can even make his power work against him by giving him the choice in losing enrage or essentially giving you a bonus healthstate by deep wounding you when already injured.-6 -
Ghoul should get nerfed yes. But his cancel is an extremely important part of his kit, and the power would feel terrible if it got nerfed and would kill any skill expression ghoul has. The real issue is his enrage vault, that gives ghoul easy downs. When he already gets a free injure and insane mobility
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well i disagree on the better validation since if it's prioritizing survivor over killer which is what grabs do right now it'll be impossible to bite someone since on the kilers screen it can show you that your doing something and just rob you like grabs do now.
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The deep wounds is needed for him, because it serves as way to extend his enraged mode. They could make that survivors remove deep wounds much faster when marked. That’d be fair.
The cancel is one of the most important parts of him. It should never get removed or nerfed.
They only thing that deserves nerfs is his hitscan injury attack.
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He has one of the strongest things killer can have in the game and thats good mobility just like blight.
Then he is just m1 going around map injuring survivors, thats all nothing op.
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sure, but at most and main thing, they make you injured for the rest of the trial and make you play safe as possible to avoid a down.
you dont really get to feel or see any 5 hits because survivors are rarely ever grouped up, even in soloq
and with plagues red puke, it more common but also not forced and shoved down your throat every chase you have with her.
at most 6 times even with her iri addon, which comes with its consequences.
meanwhile with kaneki you almost always deal with his m2 and other 6 things in chase :
kaneki can injure (1),
can vault alot faster via windows or pallets (2),
has mobility with his short cooldowns or extra tokens (3),
has a power up when injuring with his m2 bite (4),
has such a smooth mobility that leaves open to bodyblocking loops or just simplying flying onto you and downing you with his short cooldown (5),
injures you when you stay close to him vaulting (6),
blocks the gate when bitten near it (7).
this excludes addons, which give or take would add more things he can do like block windows while enraged.4 -
That las thing buddy is gone you cant block survivor from escaping with his power anymore, its same as wesker just stay on the line and you will be out before killer can pick you up.
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How about no?
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he needs to be changed, I think. you can't pay me to play him these days.
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The real hot take about ghoul:
Survivor players have the same PTSD towards ghoul, like they did with Skull merchant when she was actually fixed and better and they STILL kept complaining about her and giving up against her. I don't think I've ever seen a more overrated killer.
He's been nerfed… by quite a bit. His power is not that difficult to avoid and outplay anymore. He's a free first hit machine like legion and his power in chase after that has plenty of counterplay.
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I dont really know why they had to slap Deep Wound on him at all. It was not really needed.
But yeah, something about the Cooldown after a Leap, whether it be cancelling it mid-leap or slower movement speed after cancelling or longer cooldown.. Something like this. Because those Hits are sadly still way too cheap.
And I dont understand why he has to vault so fast over Pallets and Windows… Guarantees a Hit at most Pallets.
But honestly, I have come to peace with Ghoul. I know I wont have fun this game and just accept that, because they wanted to have an overtuned cashgrab in the game.
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I don't even own him, though I am considering buying him to see if there is something I'm missing or if he is genuinely just this broken, because I am still at a loss on how you're supposed to defend yourself against him.
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He's supposed to be a very aggressive killer. His Power is a little similar to Wesker where he has dashes. His first dash will allow him to his Enraged attack which puts him into the Enraged Mode this attack put the survivor into the mending state meaning he can't down you with his power. He can cancel his Leaps to get his m1 faster. A type from me is to Predrop pallets Dearing chases and use bait to confuse him Dearing Leaping. Holding W doesn't work against the Ghoul so the real counter play is use tight areas as much as possible until he breaks a pallet or uses his Leaps. Count how many Leaps he uses normal mode has 2 Leaps and 3 is for Enraged more and when he uses his Leaps then run to the next tile and do not run into the open with him. I see that alot when I'm The Ghoul where Survivors go into the open and don't pay attention where the Ghoul is.
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Those aren't the issues with this killer. The "kidnap tech", is.
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Yes. Let's nerf a killer who can't down people with power even more.
They did this to Chucky, Knight and Unknown. Now nobody plays those killers and sit on a solid F tier. A job well done.
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They did this to Chucky, Knight and Unknown. Now nobody plays those killers and sit on a solid F tier. A job well done.
This is just false. I still see these killers quite often. Job well done on spreading false information.
Its not about nerfing a killer that cant down someone with his power. Its about nerfing the killer that gets completely FREE hits off his power and has almost 0 downtime for cancelling his power AFTER using it. Make that make sense.
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Otz has ghoul on s tier.
You also cant Crouch to avoid hits
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What is it?
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You are 100% correct. And since survivors got skull merchant gutted they'll push to have Kaneki befall the same fate. Unless they get sick of nothing but springtrap for 6 months
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Tbh he was s-tier when he got released, after two huge nerfs he is a-tier. He is strong yes but overall he is just better legion thats why he is so much hated, he gets first hit fast with his power and has good mobility almost like blight (after nerfs range isnt that good so I would say they are even with mobility blight is still little better because he can destroy things).
After all he still has to m1 you to down you and baiting his power to catch up is same as against nurse plus predroping is still good strategy against him he cant bruteforce you like blight can (destroy pallet and then catch up and hit you/down you with his power). Ghoul power coooldown is like 8 seconds and if enraged tis 6 I think but he cant down you with his power, blight has 10 seconds cooldown and can down you with his power on top fo that he can break paletts so he can get more than ghoul with his power yes its harder to use than ghoul but he can do more. In turnaments blight is weaker than nurse but in endgame when more palets are broken his mobolity can be more chalanging for comp teams than nurse (theres vid from hens blight vs nurse watch it if you dont believe me).
I expect more downs on this because Im defending second most hated character in the game and to some more hated than tuneling and camping.
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Ghoul is fine now, it's not 4k effortlesly every game which means that the nerfs were enough to open enough space for counterplay. If you say that he is boring to go against, yes… along with Knight he is my least favorite killer on the roaster.
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I don't. I also play survivors and I haven't seen any of those killers picked. I see Singularity far more often than these killers even though it is much harder to play as.
As for free hits - Legion exists. I don't see people asking for a nerf when it's much easier to get free hit with legion than ghoul.
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False. Legion has to actually hit you with his power. Ghoul does not. I could have a pallet between me and the killer. Guess what? I still get hit
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Have you even played as ghoul in the first place?
Ghoul needs to bounce off something before his power does land a hit.
Legion can click a single button and land a hit straight ahead.
Give ghoul a try and once you start getting some competent opponents you will realize how tricky this killer is to play.,
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I have played him and I am not convinced.
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Too sad then.
I can only advise to play more. Everything else likely won't get to you anyway.
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Im good. Thanks. I have seen it all.
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For legion is easier to hit you than ghoul after his nerfs, yes ghoul can hit you from bigger distance and stun you in animation but when you are covered and run behind some blockers then he gets enraged but you dont get hit. You will get hit through palett, window if you are 2 meters from his hitbox, still I dont think thats issue you wont go down and theres some object between you and the killer, you will go to deep wound and he will get enraged but its like you hit dead hard you will get distance and he must go around the object between you so this isnt bad as it sounds, only weak loopers get panicky when they are injured against killer and the arent on death hook.
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this is just not true, recently played against him and died because his bite fully blocks the gate, even when i animation cancelled and one teammate heal teched
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All you need to do is the same thing when wesker slams you in gate area with virulent bound and then m1 you just be on the edge and you will be able to escape before he can pick you up (if he has save the best then he will get you), same with goul he hits you with power you rand to the end of exit gate, he will m1 you and before he can pick you up you will be out. Only killers that can maybe get you with basekit are twins and houndmaster but Im not sure if devs didnt change it ( I dont count addons like the knights one). If the killer has something that lowers his cooldown from m1 he cant get you before you can crawl out that all you need to know and dont stay injure in gates area against slinger,wesker,houndmaster maybe knight and ofcourse mayers if he has tombstone.
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Is Otz like the be all end all of all DBD balance statements? This is the same guy who said STBFL was more problematic than MFT during its prime.
edit: hold on what does crouching have to do with anything?-3 -
Nobody wants to play half the Killer roster because of SWF, not because the Killers are generally weak, but because SWF breaks the game. That's why we have overtuned Killers that deal with SWF and completely stomp SoloQ and why SoloQ is riddled with people who want to ditch mid match.
If people knew they were going up against a complete SoloQ lobby they'd pick any Killer that their heart desired, but instead we have most of the playerbase always preparing for the worst.
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I often feel like Solo Queue is a scapegoat for poor matchmaking and bad players. It doesn't matter if you're in a SWF or solo queue, if you go down 5 seconds into chase against a perkless trapper who hasn't placed any traps yet, the match was lost from the start.
Solo queue can absolutely stomp a large chunk of the roster just by each player playing relatively well and playing their part. But instead we have the single worst players in gaming history combined into a "team" fighting against each other for 5th place-4 -
In the new map, i tried a couple rounds aa my p100 dracula, though i got everyone to deathook, they all escaped every time, even walking through the exit gate gauntlet addon like it was just a funny lightshow for them on the way out. So i jump on rize for 1 round, everyone died on first or 2nd hook without having to slug or tunnel. Either the ghoul is just that much more oppresive and quick to get downs with, or those players barely wanted to play due to ghoul hate and go next prevention on hold.
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Legion has counterplays to his power.
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Genuinely asking, but when have you ever seen anyone die to Deep Wounds with a chase?
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So does the ghoul. He demands a bit more button clicking than Legion.
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I disagree, he is in a good spot currently
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That's weird, I have tested it yesterday and we could get out. Maybe if you got really bad backflip when he downs you, but for sure with healtech…
When we did emote before downing, we always escaped.
I hate ghoul, but this is not a thing.-1 -
It matters immensely and you stating it doesn't is actually at best ignorant or at worst nefarious. Half the Killer roster is outright just countered by being in a SWF and communicating while SoloQ clearly doesn't have that. Matches with SWF also can bounce back more reliably than SoloQ and I'm not even explaining why that is because it's common sense.
DBD players aren't the worst players in gaming history, but the game has atrocious matchmaking that BHVR refuses to address combined with how antiquated the gameplay loop is, especially for SoloQ.
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Almost Never. If they do there rather new or was not paying attention
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Ngl i actually find legion a lot harder to play against than ghoul.
but ppl never count perk synergy on tierlists
most killers with bambozle are a lot stronger than without bambozle. Perks are important.
same applies to addons. so i cant really take otzdarvas tierlists seriously.
He placed leatherface at C tier when leather with bamb and good addons is a whole lot stronger.
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Things need time to be tested and otz isn't a comp player. He does have a big killer bias and it shows.
The main thing is, you can dodge some hits with blight, especially if you are one of those 5000hour survs that turns left with mouse turning right to move faster to the sides and abuses the hell out of this games weird survivor movements that are made weirder with flashlights. Even 360 can work well vs blights.
With ghoul this doesnt really happen.
However my comment was about average gameplay.
I know a pro blight will hit his hits.
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I’m sick of the ghoul somehow downing me after vaulting a pallet after me when I’m nowhere near the pallet anymore. That and his power cancel feels absolutely miserable on some of the more open pallet barren maps.
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this
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