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Are "The Entity" and "IT" the same being?

Archael
Archael Member Posts: 939

At first glance, it may seem like a far-fetched question. After all, they originate from entirely different mythologies, penned by different authors, in separate fictional universes. But if we set aside the boundaries of intellectual property and approach this from a metaphysical or meta-narrative perspective, the idea becomes much more intriguing.

There are undeniable similarities between the two. Both feed on emotions — fear, despair, suffering. Both possess the ability to manipulate perception and warp the minds of those they encounter. But what truly makes them comparable is their shared ability to shape reality itself, and more importantly — to traverse multiverses.

And I’m not speaking of a singular "multiverse" here, but rather multiverses in the plural — an uncountable array of universal clusters, potentially nested within or parallel to each other. Whether they move within a single omniverse or leap across several, whether they span parts or the totality of multiverses contained in a higher-order structure — we cannot say for certain. But what does seem apparent is that both beings possess a scope of existence that defies local cosmology. They move freely through hundreds, thousands, perhaps even an infinite number of universes, with footprints echoing across dimensions.

Now, the common objection would be:

"But they were created by different people."

Yes, that’s technically true. But does it really change anything?

If human minds — and by extension, works of fiction — are themselves encapsulated universes within a larger omniversal structure, then why couldn’t two separate creators have glimpsed or channeled the same archetypal force? If a being exists beyond the bounds of linear time and traditional space, then multiple manifestations of it across different realities (or fictions) wouldn’t be a contradiction — it would be expected.

Perhaps these authors didn’t invent these entities at all. Perhaps they simply interpreted the same extradimensional presence through their own symbolic filters — much like prophets or dreamers describing the same vision in different words.

And that brings us to something even more uncanny — the nature of their realms.

In Stephen King's mythology, the Deadlights are not a place, but the raw, incomprehensible essence of IT. To perceive them is to come face-to-face with something that reality itself cannot render properly — a pure, alien beingness that burns through the filters of mortal perception.

Likewise, what we call the “Realm of the Entity” may not be a realm at all. It may not be a “world”, but the Entity itself. Every stone, pallet, and locker may be no more than folds in its flesh, echoes in its mind, or processes in its digestion of sentient experience. Survivors and Killers are not in the Entity — they are within it. Existing in its field of consciousness, trapped in a looping dreamstate designed to distill the most potent flavors of fear and desperation.

So in both cases — IT and the Entity — we are not looking at beings inhabiting worlds, but beings whose bodies and minds are the worlds. Beings for whom time and space are membranes to pierce or reshape at will. Beings that do not "appear" to us, but assimilate us, absorbing our narratives, our fears, our very structures of meaning.

Comments

  • Lexilogo
    Lexilogo Member Posts: 779

    The similarities are fun, but I think "same species" would be a much easier sell than "same being". The Entity is clearly still way higher-scale than IT is, IT has a very small scale feeding cycle in one town despite being a cosmic being, The Entity is genuinely multiversal. I think The Entity is a pretty good picture of what a member of IT's species could become if it fed for long enough.

  • Archael
    Archael Member Posts: 939
    edited May 16

    That's a fair angle — thinking of them as the same species rather than the same being definitely feels like the safer, more digestible hypothesis.

    But isn’t there something more intriguing — and maybe unsettling — in the idea that they are the same? Not copies or siblings, but projections of the same extradimensional intelligence, shaped differently depending on the world or narrative they manifest in?

    IT’s feeding cycle in Derry is often seen as a limitation, but let’s not forget: IT exists outside of linear time. That very fact renders any regular "cycle" questionable — not as a necessity, but as a choice. The decision to lie dormant for 27 years doesn’t reflect a physical need to rest or recharge, but rather a conscious act of pacing — a psychological manipulation, perhaps. The rhythm gives its victims time to rebuild, to hope, to forget — making the next harvest richer, more saturated with emotion.

    In that sense, the apparent “scale” difference between IT and The Entity may not be ontological, but narrative. We only see IT as Pennywise in Derry because that's the frame King gave us (in case of book "IT"). Its true form, the Deadlights, exists beyond comprehension — glimpsed but never fully grasped. What if that very incomprehensibility is by design?

    The Entity, too, is only understood through the eyes of its victims and survivors. Its cult, its whispers, its realm — all filtered through unreliable perception. Just like IT, what we see is shaped by fear and trauma, not by objective understanding.

    So maybe the more frightening possibility isn't that they are kin…
    But that they are the same mind, wearing different masks, adjusting their forms for different stages, for different audiences — but always, always feeding.

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  • HOMOGRIMOIRE
    HOMOGRIMOIRE Member Posts: 64

    So i guess you could say IT/the deadlights are an aspect of The Entity, similar to how some divine beings work in some religions/mythologies. The same being, but different, like in Hunduism.

    Or perhaps they are different beings, but for our intents and purposes, they are the same, just with minor differences, like the Greek/Roman gods or how very different religions will have analogous gods that can be considered equivalents of one another.

    or perhaps the entity can be considered an evolution of IT. for beings such as themselves, why cant an older and newer version of themselves exist at the same time? The entity certainly isn't bound by time after all.

    Though personally, i prefer the idea of them being of the same species, Ancients. The Ancients are mentioned in the observer lore about Terra Prime, his home. The peacefully floated through the sky, but we're left to assume they were killed. Likely by the entity, or other malicious ancients like it and the deadlights. Personally, i like to believe the ancients from bloodborne and God/the flower from Drakengard/nier are ancients like the entity, and to some extent sonnentreppe from RE having a connection to the ancients thanks to their flower motif.

  • ImVeryDummm
    ImVeryDummm Member Posts: 69

    The only evidence i really see here is that the Auric Cells look like the Deadlights..

    Then again ImVeryDummm so its to be expected

  • Marc_go_solo
    Marc_go_solo Member Posts: 5,507

    The lore could be whatever you'd like it to be, so maybe they are. On the other hand, with so many multiverses out there, there's room for so many powerful beings, some of which could make the Entity look like a kitten. They could be separate or the same, depending on which multiverse(s) they originated one.

    As an example, there's a podcast called "The Magnus Archives" which also features similar entities which can warp reality, travel multiverses (albeit with some assistance) and feed on fear. In fact, the trials could very well be a realm of one or more of these Fears.

    Basically, every big entity from IT, to Cthulu, to the Entity, to the Fears, to numerous gods and more probably have similar powers. If the multiverses are infinite, then anything is possible and - as you pointed out - every idea, dream, story, game, etc.. could exist in many different forms.

  • Archael
    Archael Member Posts: 939

    agree with that.

    Tho similarities between IT and The Entity are extreme if one thinks about it.

    But there is room open for something else. What if The Entity is some kind of a chef, preparing meals (of emotions) for other vans beings in the form of trials.

  • AbsolutGrndZer0
    AbsolutGrndZer0 Member Posts: 1,827

    Don't remember where, but I believe I remember one of the developers suggesting that The Entity was heavily inspired by Stephen King. Let's face it. We all have our "dream chapter' but many of the BHVR developers? IT is their dream chapter. Sure, other chapters might be better from a financial standpoint, like if they had to pick between Pennywise and Jason, taking the other permanently off the table, the bean counters likely would choose Jason. But if they could tell the bean counters to be quiet and let them do what they want, it's likely many of them would choose Pennywise.

  • terumisan
    terumisan Member Posts: 2,149

    isn't that closer to the unknown than the entity itself?