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I have the right to win
People who complain about tunneling obviously don’t play killer at high mmr and it definitely shows. Especially when survivors have a plethora of perks that help prevent it. Like decisive strike, dead hard, off the record, even base kit borrowed time. Killers should be allowed to go after the weakest link in order to win.
Ntm I’m so tired of hearing “you’re not supposed to win every match.” That’s the biggest load of crap I ever heard. Im gonna do everything in my power to win each and every game. Even if I have to slug, tunnel, or even proxy camp to get a survivor to the 2nd hook stage. I’ll do it for the win.
No one should have to follow a fictional rule book.
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You're designed to win most of your trials. Survivors are expected to lose the majority of their trials. What's the problem?
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Good for you;
That doesnt make it less true that its not fun to go against.15 -
I could say the same with swf, when’s that getting nerfed?
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because the majority that everyone is looking at is the low mmr players not the high ones. At high mmr the only killers you’ll be facing is nurse, blight, and Billy. Wanna know why? Bc they’re the top three that can actually compete at that level. Any other killer 9/10 you are going to loose.
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Do you feel the same about 2v8?
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2v8 is a game mode. Don’t like it? Then don’t play it.
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It's a valid question. Is comms and playing with friends busted always or just sometimes?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_Pn_ockZY4
Sure. You need to tunnel to win. Just shows you are fundamentally bad at the game then.-3 -
Amazing how everyone thinks they're high mmr. If you consistently need to tunnel to win you just aren't as good as you think you are.
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Bait used to be believable.
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You have about as much proof that you are high MMR as you do that everyone who disagrees with you is low MMR. Wherever you are, you obviously dont belong there if you can't compete.
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no one cares if you're tunneling against a good team and at some point in every game it is often what you need to do to slow the game down. but it's the low mmr games where it's really too effective and if you do it in a few games you can easily find yourself in high mmr where you're suddenly playing against good teams and you're freaking out because you can't really compete against them in the way you feel you should so you use the only skill you've developed (tunneling) but maybe it only results in 1 or 2 kills. so then you're in this awkward spot as a killer where you're not very good at the game but you know how to tunnel so you're ping ponging between low and high mmr. then you come to the forums and say, "i deserve to win so i tunnel!" but the reality is you wouldn't feel the need to say that if you were a high skilled player.
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How do you even know that you are high MMR?
And well, you will probably tunnel way more often than you actually need to tunnel.
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Ntm I’m so tired of hearing “you’re not supposed to win every match.” That’s the biggest load of crap I ever heard. Im gonna do everything in my power to win each and every game.You have the right to try to win every match, as do your opponents.
You don't have the right to expect you will win every match, and neither do your opponents.
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As the gentleman above said, your tunneling strategy likely only grants you victories against solo queue and the weakest teams - which just means you’ll be matched against stronger survivors next. For all the poor folks you’ve taken out of the match early, I hope you had a flashlight in your face and got teabagged at every loop, pallet, or gate. After all, no one should have to follow a fictional rule book, right? :)
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I have like 3.7 hours of this game under my belt and like 3.2k of that is killer. You do not need to tunnel or camp at high mmr. YOU have to tunnel and camp because you relied on it to win, artificially boosting your mmr to a point well beyond your skill set. Take the loss, let your mmr drop to your natural skill level.
you know how you said "im gonna do everything i can to win" then listed toxic behaviors? Yeah well….survivors have that same right as you to win and play dirty to do so.
You have the right to win, but so do others. You are entitled to play how you like but you are not entitled to their suffering. Play in a self-centered way, expect the energy to come back in a way you dont like.
Every competition ever has unwritten rules for expected behavior while playing, DBD is no different.
I think you need to take a break from DBD and competitive games in general. This level of obsession over winning is unhealthy and a root cause in the toxicity within the community. You can lose and still have fun. The only issue is when winning and domination is not just a perquisite for fun, but literally the only requirement.
Winning is not everything, that is something we learn in pre-school. This hyper competitiveness is an issue and clearly causing you distress. Try to break away from it and enjoy the game for what it is and not because you won.
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this gotta be rage bait.
If it's actually serious: geez. Please find something good in your life in the real world that gives you a sense of happiness and purpose, sounds like you need it. Fingers crossed.
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No one said you can't do any of this. However just like you can choose to do these things, others can choose to complain about it. Treat others like you want to be treated.
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Don't agree. I face mostly ghoul, blight and nurse. I WANT MORE BILLIES.
Edit: Also a lot of vecna's now!
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Me reading this topic
(it’s a plush-crested jay)
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None of those perks "prevent" tunneling, they simply delay the Killer from instantly downing the Survivor they are tunneling.
Also, party game this may be, it's still a PVP - no one is entitled to win anything. Your enjoyment and ability to score a win is no more important than the Survivors', and vice versa. And you may not like to hear it, but it is the reality - you're not supposed to win every match. And frankly, why would you? An online game where you're only winning would be boring - there's no challenge, at that point.
And yes, you should be trying your best to win, this is true, but resorting to toxic strategies is, honestly, not impressive. No challenge, no enjoyment, no fulfillment - just an empty win to boost your unearned ego.
As for this - there's a reason why SWF won't and can't be nerfed. First off, it's not some toxic "strategy," it's merely playing with your friends. To "nerf" it, you'd have to remove it, which would simply kill the game in its entirety. No one likes playing with random people they can't even communicate with all the time. And it's not like communication does much - all it guarantees is that you, as a Survivor, won't be abandoned on the hook or that you'll be able to tell your friends that you're being camped in the Endgame. That's literally it. And it's not like you can even determine if people are even playing with their friends, either. Sometimes, a team of randoms just clicks.
The other reason it will never be nerfed is because that unenjoyment Killer Mains feel is purely in their heads because they lost or had a tough time. It doesn't hold the game hostage, doesn't guarantee a win, and doesn't actually ruin your enjoyment when you win or are having an easy time. Again, there's no way to really confirm if you're playing against a stack.
However, the toxic strategies employed by certain Killer Mains, such as yourself, do ruin the game for the Survivors. Tunneling and camping ensures someone doesn't get to play, while slugging ensures that no one gets to play. It's hardly fair, and PVP games, even casual ones, are meant to be fair. Think of it like a fighting game, like Tekken - there's nothing against the rules about spamming a move, yet it's largely agreed to be unsportsmanlike and unskilled. That's what tunneling, slugging and camping are. They're simply unsportsmanlike and lack any real skill. And both are done for an empty win that doesn't actually mean anything.
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Maybe reading the words of one of the devs will help you understand how the game functions. You can call it bs all you like, but the game will run the way it's programmed to run regardless of your feelings.
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People who complain about tunneling obviously don’t play killer at high mmr and it definitely shows.
And people who defend tunneling this hard obviously don't play Survivor at any mmr and it definitely shows. As others have said, you don't know your actual mmr level.
And the plethora of perks to "help prevent tunneling," actually don't. Otherwise tunneling wouldn't be such a reliable and prevalent strategy still. All those perks do is delay the inevitable. If you knew a Survivor had OTR and DS, would you still tunnel them? Of course you would. Therefore, those perks don't actually prevent tunneling.
Ntm I’m so tired of hearing “you’re not supposed to win every match.” That’s the biggest load of crap I ever heard.
Also, can you explain why that's the "biggest load of crap you've ever heard?" Because it's nothing but the cold, hard truth.
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Sorry you can't win 100% of your games.
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Calm down Wolfe you even forgot to say you play on the highest brackets
High mmr is so high team invictus with 201 game winstreak was catching noob killers left and right. D3adplays and others killers players that usually win most matches also get noob survivors consistently
Because again average survivor cant loop and the averages are majoritys
So what we get is a situation where you ruin games for others that arent even pro players constantly on a game that lacks a proper high mmr.
And the whole survivor rulebook talks are cringe at this point. Most survivors arent bullies or have items to rush games. I play constantly with survivors that don't even bring items. Its not a rulebook ,its Basic gaming manners to keep both sides fair on average matches. Pro survivors should and are expecting tunneling and camps.
We can also bring the killer rulebook (cringes) if you want.
And yeah its a pvp game you SHOULD LOSE 35% of your matches at least. If you want to Flex real skills play a competitive fps game instead of a casual game like dbd.
Doesnt help survivor takes thousands of hours to learn compared to most killers
2000-3000 hrs surv still get destroyed by Huntress and others b tiers with 10hrs. Yes my Huntress friend always checks Steam hours.
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I have an 80% win rate with Trapper & don't tunnel or camp at all, neither do I use ANY gen slowdown perks,
Am I high MMR? No idea! But with an 80% 3k+ (almost always give hatch / gate) win rate it can't be low & full of survivors who have no idea what to do!
Played for 8 years, turns out I did what we 80's gamers always did, played a lot & got good! Play how you want, but if you really think your high mmr & vs high mmr survivors especially swf they will destroy you for tunneling & proxy camping & you aren't getting 3k+
I absolutely agree people can tunnel way above their skill level but if the upcoming changes are even partially affective killers who tunnel from the start now are about to be completely destroyed when they realise that they actually aren't remotely as skilled as they think they are!
God squad swf are beyond rare, most just want to play with their buddies & the majority get killed for each other. The biggest advantage swf have over solo (beyond coms callouts) is that they'll play the game for each other & not purposely screw the team, giving up or doing nothing, (beyond getting being too altruistic)
Tldr you can absolutely play how you desire & tunnel to win as much as you want (until it gets changed) if you can only win with tunneling good luck with the changes & against actual high mmr survivors
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So why don’t you show us all how it’s done then? If you’re going to tell people they are “fundamentally bad at the game” if they can’t win by never tunneling, then it why don’t you help these players out by showing them how to play in a way that isn’t “fundamentally bad” by your definition?
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Ntm I’m so tired of hearing “you’re not supposed to win every match.” That’s the biggest load of crap I ever heard.
well i appreciate the honesty that you think a 100% winrate for one side should be feasible.
To the development team: I think this may unironically be the most important feedback thread of the year so far (but not for the reason the OP wants it to be). This is the attitude of people who do not want anti-tunnel measures or want them to be ineffectual. Do you want to cater to people who believe that their side winning every game, in a multiplayer PVP experience, is healthy?
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It's not hard to get a 4K without using a toxic strategy. There are so many perk combinations for the Killers that can outright halt the game for Survivors that these toxic strategies aren't even necessary. While I don't do YouTube videos, just go watch Spookyloopz, he never does these toxic strategies (And yes, he does slug on occasion, but those instances are justified slugging, since the other Survivors were right there) and he gets pretty consistent 4Ks.
You want to get consistent 4Ks without being unsportsmanlike? Play the Killer you're best at. Not the one who people say is "meta," but the one you're best at and who you have the most fun with. It's not that hard.
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It’s one thing for pro streamers to do it; it’s an entirely different thing for someone who has never provided any evidence that they even play killer at all to call other people “bad at the game” because they play killer a certain way.
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Well, I have 61.62% Kill Rate on Killer, and I've never camped, slugged or tunneled. And, mind you, a good 20% of my matches involve me just letting the Survivors go because I'm either busy with a challenge that doesn't involve getting kills or I felt bad for them. I am in no way a top player, nor am I a pro - yet I do not find it difficult to get 4Ks consistently.
I also don't bring in add-ons, and I'm sure pro players would shake their heads at the perks I choose to bring in.
So, as a non-pro who can consistently get 4Ks without resorting to toxic strategies, I can confidently say that yes, using these strategies is a sign that you're either a fundamentally bad player, or that you simply do not have enough confidence in yourself and are too focused on securing kills.
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61% kill rate isn’t “consistent 4K’s”. Unless you are getting all your wins with 4K’s only and all your losses with 0K’s only, I guess? Anyway, your kill rate is very realistic and I have no doubt you can achieve that playing the way that you claim. My comment was directed toward another person on this thread who likes to trash other players and call them bad even though this person has never provided any evidence that they play killer themselves. It’s toxic and gross.
But even coming from someone like you - someone who I believe actually does play killer - telling other people that they are bad because they choose to play a certain way within the rules is also toxic and divisive. I guess as long as it isn’t breaking forum rules to do that, then keep going right ahead if it makes you feel better to tear other people down. But don’t be surprised when you get pushback from people who rightly point out that it’s toxic.-1 -
I have in total 6k hours on console. I main trapper and every game I play is against the sweatiest players, sometimes even the same ones on occasion. All of them are p100, all meta builds, they’re pathing on loops is perfect most chases, and they’re super efficient on gens, even going so far as to get downed in the corner of the map so it wastes more of my time.
I don’t win every match, but I do win majority of them because I do tunnel, proxy camp, and slug. Now before you ask is this every game? No, but it’s a strategic play for a weak killer like trapper.0 -
It's toxic to try and win?
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