What perks do you think are badly designed?

I'll go with Potential Energy when it released. I think it was the worst example of DbD trying to fix gameplay issues with perks.

If the killer is going for a full 3 gen lock down and you brought the perk, great, survivors win.

If you didn't? Sorry, tough break.

This Is Not Happening. Crash out incoming:

• Comparing it to Resilience or Deadline makes me want to slam my head into a wall, WHY, WHY does TinH still exist with its current activation conditions when they do
• If the idea is to be a General Perk that makes skill checks easier for new Survivors, why does it require you to be Injured, and why have BHVR designed a bunch of other paid Perks that do a much better job at helping new players with skill checks??? Why not give TinH one of those effects they've designed so new players can have easy access to it, and give veteran players a Perk they'll actually care about in its place??
• The Perk has no thematic premise. The name implies a Perk where you're in a state of denial (which could be a really fun theme to make an evocative effect for) but the Perk's description and actual effect run with the idea of "performing at your best when under extreme stress" THEN WHY IS IT CALLED THAT
• Has parasitised itself to Perks that actually have ideas, like Hyperfocus, as an excuse to not try and get a better effect. Nothing against Perk synergies, but TinH is pretty much dead weight by itself and entirely relies on other Perks for it to freeload off, (unlike something like Slippery Meat, which undeniably works even if synergies are needed for its true potential) and personally I think that's a bad situation for any Perk to be in, especially a Generic Perk relying on DLC Perk synergies
• Has plot armor: The only other thing in this entire game that's ever increased Great Skill Check zone size is the Sponge addon, giving TinH the bizarre defense of technically having no competition while falling behind other Perks
• Has had the audacity to have not been directly updated for… 2,859 days and counting. (not counting Sabotage skill checks being removed as an update) A Perk not needing an update for a long time can be a badge of honor- I think Whispers floating in and out of the playerbase's favor with 0 direct balance patches is awesome. This Is Not Happening is not awesome.

"bad design" might be too generous, I would argue TinH wasn't designed. It feels like it only exists to meet a minimum Perk quota before the game shipped

Boil Over - Encourages extremely boring gameplay and yet unless you specifically play into that it's not even a good perk at all. It encourages killers to slug and isn't skillful gameplay at all. Needs a rework.

Vigil - Very overtuned perk that further encourages the meta by making exhaustion perks stronger while also being most effective against a lot of killer perks/addons that are not meta, and it stacks too. It's unhealthy and I think it should get a nerf.

Grim Embrace - I don't like this perk for multiple reasons. It attempts to discourage tunneling but works perfectly well if you tunnel anyway and then use it in the 3v1. Blocking every gen on the map is boring and often results in time spent doing nothing. It's most effective on some of the strongest killers in the game and helps them build up even more pressure when they don't need it. I know the original version of this perk was bad, but the current version is obnoxious imo.

Deadline. It just gives you more skill checks in random places when you're injured, and reduces the penalty for missing a skill check by 50%. But if you don't miss a skill check, then what does it even do?

Well, my friend, they do have one: NOED.

But in my opinion it really isn't as badly designed as it used to be.

Most of the lesser used ones, really. But if I had to choose one on either side…

Survivors, Visionary, which isn't the perk's fault, it was the changes to Deja Vu. Still, badly designed in this era.

And on killer side, I'd go with Shattered Hope. I don't really need to explain that one, I'd say.

Moment of Glory. Do I understand the intent, yes. Do I still think it’s poorly designed, yes.

Decisive strike, if you perform to well as killer and down people to fast you cant still get hit by it even when not tunneling. I think the most ironic part is when pop goes the weasel timer was 60 seconds but it got nerfed for having "too much time" but ds was ok for 60 seconds lol. Just make a change if you down a different survivor it deactivates.

I have no idea why this isn't just one chest, 2 chests when only like 3 or 4 are available and there are 4 survivors is tonedeaf.

No Mither build can be great. Put on resilience and you have faster vaults, gens, unhooks, chests, totems and gates all match and are hard to track and never waste time healing.

Then use an exhaustion perk like Sprint Burst with it and you basically have old iron will where you can make distance and break line of sight to lose the killer. This will also help delay first hits and get out of any dead zone. Pair this with the new dog vial for greater effect.

Then add Lightweight or Dance With Me so when you make distance with Sprint Burst or Lithe and fog vial, killer has no blood, barely any sound, and no scratch marks. If you break line of sight doing this easily lose the killer. So although you've lost a health state, you have more chases and you last longer per health state.

Then you could run Decisive to make a tunneling killer either pick you up and eat the stun, or leave you on ground for unbreakable value without running unbreakable.

Now of course you have to be a strong looper to play the whole match injured like this. So if you're bad at looping it's gonna be rough.

Personally I regularly run resilience and often avoid being healed and play most of the match injured to do gens faster so I'm not afraid to play injured. Healing can waste so much time so this "healing meta" is overrated and a lot of survivors are scared to play without a med kit and healing perks, let alone injured.

I agree with you, I think maybe if the timer was shorter also it'd be more worth it. IDK why they are so scared to tweak values of these perks and see how they do with stronger tuning.

Invocations needs to be reworked.
1: The downside is too great, being permanently injured can lead to being tunneled more often.
2: The immense time it takes to do it, you could already complete a gen the time you're done, having other people to speed it up tends to not be efficient.
3: You can only do one Invocations at a time, this eats up soo much time and discourages doing invocation combos.

My proposal to make invocations more useful.
1: The downside instead inflicts a debuff on the one who started the ritual. Maybe based on what the invocation was, Treacherous Crows would reveal the caster when they scare crows, Weaving Spiders would shrink the repair skill check size on the caster.
2: You can do multiple invocations at the same time. *BUT IT HAS A SLIGHT SPEED PENALTY FOR EACH EXTRA INVOCATION*

I despise current pain res. I hate dead man's.

sucks for me because I thought original pain res was the perfect killer perk; I loved farming regression by farming hook states by just being awesome.

even if they came up with the concept when the game launched and everyone was a noob and slow at the game it still would’ve been bad design

I would argue the teamwork perks are the worst survivor perks in the game the design of them completely goes against the average solo queue match (why didn’t this reply to Jedimaster lol)

It's literally the objective. Imagine how boring the game would be if every perk was either a chase/2nd chance or information perk

Nobody is playing this game because they like to do gens

Actually, friend, I am!

I don't like chases, they have always been the least fun part of DBD in my experience. As survivor, I enjoy being the gen jockey, the one who will do the objective. The thrill comes from hiding and evading the killer.

And, as killer, I've always preferred map control over chase-oriented characters.