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What are the most boring matchups for you?

Right now it's super popular to say Ghoul which is totally fair however I wanna mention the Twins. Not just normal Twins either and those are bad enough anyway. The slugging and never hooking Twins have to be the most boring games ever. I know that slugging is pretty damn required for that killer but please just hook me I don't wanna be on the ground all match.

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  • CertifiedMegHead2
    CertifiedMegHead2 Member Posts: 45

    Yup Twins is pretty lame. Spirit I kinda like going against because you can tell where she is phasing now and its fun to try to walk where she doesn't expect you in chase

  • ImWinston
    ImWinston Member Posts: 648
    • Twins (for me) is the worst killer ever made in this game (with the "old version" of Skull Merchant). He's simply not fun to play against, his entire gameplay is based on "slugging", the most hated mechanic in DBD. Despite being a strong killer (for me, Twinst are tier A+), he's still one of the least played killers ever (thankfully). If Twins were played more, there would certainly be more complaints, but since it is rare, it doesn't get much attention.
  • CertifiedMegHead2
    CertifiedMegHead2 Member Posts: 45

    Didn't she get a crazy buff in a ptb but it was so strong they nerfed it before it hit live?

  • ImWinston
    ImWinston Member Posts: 648
  • CertifiedMegHead2
    CertifiedMegHead2 Member Posts: 45

    If it's a normal 12 hook Wesker than I don't mind him the chase can be fun. It's the tunneling Weskers that make him boring because it's so easy for him to do

  • BorisDDAA
    BorisDDAA Member Posts: 524

    So basically someone trying Twins vs Twins main. Good thing twins mains are extinct.

  • GeneralV
    GeneralV Member Posts: 12,666

    Unfortunately, in my personal experience he remains as one of the killers who are very likely to tunnel someone out right from the start (Blight remains the champion though).

    And the 4 second stun from DS isn't going to do much against a killer that can dash.

  • BorisDDAA
    BorisDDAA Member Posts: 524

    Most miserable matchup I had is probably Nurse with hex third seal. Extremely rare, but those few times were more than enough. And one of those nurses had 300 ping so yeah

  • Abbzy
    Abbzy Member Posts: 2,247

    What do you expect from killer whose power is based on map wide slugging to be effective, oni needs to slug too he cant get enought blood when starting demon power and just downibg and hooking one survivor he wont have enough blood to get snother power and without it he is just m1 killer so he needs to do as much damage as possible with his power to slow survivors with slugs and heals and keeping blood orbs in the game. This two killers are now very strong but we will see what are antislugging changes in phase two and how they will effect their gameplay (when coh was meta twins were much weaker kilers).

  • Rokku_Rorru
    Rokku_Rorru Member Posts: 2,796
    edited July 13

    Any of the S-Tiers with full gen regression/lockout + Haddonfield

    it's utterly overkill

    Edit: Skill check doctor on Midwhich or the Game, is annoying too

  • LockerLurk
    LockerLurk Member Posts: 1,683

    For Killer: Any team that is so good I cannot beat them especially if they also push gens really hard. So you don't wanna play with me, then? no? OK, I'll leave you to win and boost yourself to the Blights and Kanekis you clearly prefer…

    For Survivor: 4 man slug. Any Killer.

  • Steakdabait
    Steakdabait Member Posts: 1,374

    any setup killer

  • Abbzy
    Abbzy Member Posts: 2,247

    Srtrange they are the one of the weakest if your team doesnt look for totems and chest just fucus for gens the 2-3 gend poping is almost guarantee.

  • LockerLurk
    LockerLurk Member Posts: 1,683

    A lot of Survivors would rather just do micro play (chase) and not macro play anymore… they are used to Hold W solving almost everything so if the Killer actually knows game sense and has patience…

  • Abbzy
    Abbzy Member Posts: 2,247

    Thats why most strongest killers are the ones that break holding shift+W like ghoul,blight,billy,spirit,dracula,larry,teins.

  • Abbzy
    Abbzy Member Posts: 2,247

    Tbh I like more to go against him than playing against blight and spirit.

    Blight in avarage or good hands is ghoul on steroids he can do the same and even more only thing tha is different is he is harder to play but if you play like him you will 4k most of your matches with your mmr where you struggle normaly with mediocre killers ( even teams that give very hard time with someone like wesker are much relaxung to go against with blight, that power jump is big).

    Spirit because I hate to go agains something I dont see and her audio isnt much helping either( good spirits can even mindgame you with her audio while phasing on tiles like shack with basenent or some stairs). She has been nerfed and addjusted a lot through years, when she cane out she was more busted than kaneki after release but many newer players dont remember those times. Its hard to tell which addon she has even her sddons were nerfed a lot too like daughter ring. When you play against good spirit and you are injured without dead hard or otr/iron will then theres very few things you can do only to pray she will missplay or mind herself.

    Kaneki is strong but if you get him offten then I reconend to run combo of made for this to get that 3% (you can force him to hit you with leap on palets abd windows if he uses his power but it must be his second or third leap first will just pull him towards you) and overcome to get nore distance after his animation grab with then perk that boost you when injured like resilience are good too and resiliance can help you on vaults when he leaps too close to you.


    I like that even first hit comes on avarage earlier against ghoul than against blight and spirit he cant down you with his power and he plays more as m1 killer, blight can m1 you and rush you down or be right behind you even after vreaking palett with normal animation ( needs two rushes to break palett but has them maybe faster than kaneki), with blight playing injured you cant get distance he can fown you with power against ghoul you can try to get some or be more bold. Spirit is fine until you are injured and without perks like iron will you are in constant 50/50 situation, you cant run far either she will phase you down, she is 110 speed but she has passive phasebdomething simular to sadako after getting out of her power to hit you disapearing for short time.

  • LockerLurk
    LockerLurk Member Posts: 1,683
    edited July 13

    They're also the ones that Survivors call the most boring and unfun to play against.

    Also, the point of my response to your post. You seem to have missed it. My response wasn't about who was strong or not. My response was about how these stronger Killers have so conditioned Survivors to Hold W even when they break Hold W, that it's all Survivors do now.

    Which is why it's hilarious when I use a Killer like say… Hag, and nobody wipes the traps, I 4k, and then they all call my playstyle "cheap".

  • Abbzy
    Abbzy Member Posts: 2,247

    Hag is hard to go against for uncoordinated teams ( they get some gens but ehen you hook in your web of traps you can get even all team if they play altruistic and dont heal that much),she is like top 5 least played killers, I get more twins when I play survivor than hags, hags are rare.

    Most survivors just hold forward and predrop this is very strong if your sll teammates sit on gens if they dont then you can get some good psletts early and in late game have faster chases.

  • CrossTheSholf
    CrossTheSholf Member Posts: 868
    edited July 14

    Survivor logic:

    If I can't hold Shift+ W against this killer it's unfun and bad and should be tossed out.....

    Same killers that killer players enjoy because they allow killers more engagement

  • LockerLurk
    LockerLurk Member Posts: 1,683

    That last part is only true if the map has lots of resources and the Killer respects pallets. Any Killer who shreds pallets or simply breaks them in key spots can create dead zones, meaning predrop and Hold W isn't always a good idea.

  • Abbzy
    Abbzy Member Posts: 2,247

    Idk what about hag being one of least killers isnt true. Most of times holding w and predroping can cost killer huge amont of time if other survivors are split on gens, some of strongest killer perks are the ones that need hooks like pop,pain res, grim embrace others if you only have these perks in loadout and not some passive like dead lock,corrupt or end game( noed,no way out) with mediocre killer then they can still beat you on gens, when your perks kick in it can be late. But truth is most survivors who play like this are the ones that lack looping skill ( I have met realy good loopers holding w against me on maps like larrys where windows are chained most times) so you beat them or their teammates in some dead zones ( woo with 30% pick rate as perk and with new maps abilitythis can hapen less and less because even survivors arent playing on coms they will still see where to run)

  • Abbzy
    Abbzy Member Posts: 2,247

    If the map isnt small and survivors arent sticking togeather legion is joke of the killer, injury vomes fast but then he is just m1 killer with nothing to offer maybe some info but he needs to be in frenzy. Plague with tana is different story it needs some team coordination but every timd I play against this combo someone panics and cleanses starting chain reaction of nassice cleansing giving plague her true power. Many people dobt know about this but with fnaf chapter chest spawn priority over killers power/objectives were many killers fixed like xeno,sadako and even plague meaning her pools shouldnt spawn somewhere in the corner of the map but near gens. Survivors suffering with doinggens phobia are dying a lot.

  • LockerLurk
    LockerLurk Member Posts: 1,683

    This is a genuine question: why, every time I post in response, do you feel the need to counter me like we're in some ongoing argument? We're not. I'm not arguing with you. But I feel like you think I am?

    I am being super sincere here I don't get it, are you trying to argue or just have a discussion? /gen

  • sethrollins
    sethrollins Member Posts: 55
    edited July 14

    Kaneki , Haddonfield, Forgotten Ruins, Lake Ormond, Rancid Abbatoir

  • Dwight_Fairfield
    Dwight_Fairfield Member Posts: 7,527

    Ghoul in general.

    Any match on Haddonfield as survivor.

    Twins and Trickster put me to sleep.

    Nurse/Blight with gen slowdown.

  • PetTheDoggo
    PetTheDoggo Member Posts: 1,995

    I am not that big fan of Spirit, but don't really mind her and I am Jeff main….

    I like to play against Blight quite a lot, simply because I know his limits and use them to get decent chases.

    only thing tha is different is he is harder to play but if you play like him you will 4k most of your matches with your mmr where you struggle normaly with mediocre killers

    So same as Kaneki, but Kaneki is way easier to play

    I like that even first hit comes on avarage earlier against ghoul than against blight and spirit he cant down you with his power and he plays more as m1 killer

    I am annoyed by this act like he is basic M11 killer. He doesn't act like one. He can counter windows, safe pallets, hold W and even bodyblock you on many loops.
    Because he can fully cancel his slide, he doesn't even have mind game to double back like Nurse has.

    By logic power cannot directly down, Spirit is also basic M1 killer… but she is far from that

  • Langweilig
    Langweilig Member Posts: 3,139

    Wraith and bambuzle or other typical killers that use bambuzle.

  • ShanoaLegendaryPlz
    ShanoaLegendaryPlz Member Posts: 1,265
    edited July 14

    1: tv spamming / slugging sadako (i used to enjoy old sadako playing as and against)

    2: wesker. Since his ptb where i found my first real survivor main in rebecca, hes been a turbo tunneler 90% of the time and hasnt stopped to this day

    3: full slowdown legion. Legion is alredy annoying enough with the way they bounce around all game until they either get their 4 hits or find an almost finniahed generator so you cant finnish anything without them being all over you first. But when they make it even slower with thanatophobia it feels like an eternity

    4: skillcheck doctor. No point sneaking around trying not to get chased, and every generator feels like it has to be repaired twice when it has the skillchecks at the end that you nearly cant do and it gets covered.

    5: Tunnel Bunny (glitchtrap). Very high chance with this skin to involve proxy camping with the door and just axe/grab comboing you right off the hook leading you to wonder why you even bothered to try anyway lol

    6: wasp kaneki/rize. Where they use their mobility + instant injure to make it feel like theres a wasp buzzing around your head the entire game till you are dead right off the hook.

    7: minefield camping hag. You get hooked, and get surrounded by 6 or 7 traps, then proxy camps, noone gets a chance to crouch in and wipe the things away, they have to be chased into the traps because you are going on 2nd stage or death, and lets off the minefield where she just gets to tunnel you right back down because you cant run anywhere without setting off another 4 traps.

    8: basment trapper. U get hooked in the basement and see him setting up traps at all entrances and you just know you are either being left there to rot or surrounded by hook buddies

  • littlehoot
    littlehoot Member Posts: 155

    In fairness, the devs have been introducing mechanics that actively punish survivors for doing anything that isn't gen rushing or chases. Please see: the recent crow debacle.

    It's hard to engage in any kind of macro play, stealth, or more thought out tactics when the game actively punishes survivors for doing so.

  • Dem34888
    Dem34888 Member Posts: 140

    Ghoul

  • Abbzy
    Abbzy Member Posts: 2,247

    I like to play against Blight quite a lot, simply because I know his limits and use them to get decent chases.

    Well his limits arent same as kaneki, blight can do more with his power.

    So same as Kaneki, but Kaneki is way easier to play

    Thats what I wrote.

    I am annoyed by this act like he is basic M11 killer. He doesn't act like one. He can counter windows, safe pallets, hold W and even bodyblock you on many loops.
    Because he can fully cancel his slide, he doesn't even have mind game to double back like Nurse has.

    He acts as m1 more than blight and spirit is just m1 with 110% speed so she is more forced to use her power to get value like all 110 killers, they cant play as m1 because they are slower and those 5% are quite easy to spot and tell difference. Blight can play as m1 but you would hinder your self (its like playing springtrap more as m1 than using his axe when you can, yes its better to be m1 for mobility and catch up but not going for axe hits isnt good either) his power is 5 seconds shorter than spirit and offers more than her and even when you use his power only for mobility and catch up or when you wouldnt catch survivor normaly with m1 speed so you try to rush him down he is still very strong.


    By logic power cannot directly down, Spirit is also basic M1 killer… but she is far from that

    Spirit can unly inflict damage with her m1, but truth is she is simular to ghoul more than blight with this both killers youse their power to get close to survivor and down them, ghoul can get first hit with his power into deep wound and he has faster vaulting, he can down you with his power same as wesker when he vaults and you stay infront of him but for this to happen survivor must give up or be stupid. All three killers can conter holding shift+W.

    What I dont like about blight you cant loop him on longer loops like longer shack wall he will rush you down, ghoul can cut you of too but it isnt that easy either (now he is buggy as hell) and even if he cuts you of if you know he can do it the you can simply double back and have bigger chance to get to the window than against blight who know how to use his rush. Ghoul plays more as m1 killer yes he can vault faster but on some loops if you hold forward you will still make it back to window/palett (now his fixed kidnap is still existing that the bug that makes his vault op as hell its like blights hug tech but like 5 times easier), Then ghoul has strong catch up same as blight with his rushes only difference is blight is harder but if you master him you can make more sick moves that ghoul cant pull of.

    Spirit is just that killer that has sound que when phasing but still as I mentioned good spirit mains know how to play with this, be injured against blight,ghoul isnt ideal either but atleast you can see them what they are trying to do spirit simply disappears and good luck and the fact she is one of few killers where its hard to gues what addons she is running because they can change the way she playes but its hard to spot as survivor like daughter ring you dont know if she is seeing scratch marks or she heard you and guessed right where you are or she just has this addon.

  • Roco45
    Roco45 Member Posts: 342

    All the Killers that are tunneling/camping/slugging at 5-4 gens left, which is the bulk of them. I don't really mind any Killer and can enjoy going against any of them, but I completely just go afk if I see some toxic gameplay that early into the match. I value my time and I value what I spend that time on so I won't participate in a match where the Killer is just looking to stroke their own ego for 5-15 mins through unnecessary toxicity that BHVR has encouraged. I have a great PC and can run two games at once, so I'll just alt tab out and play something worth my time, which typically really upsets the Killer and also upsets the other Survs, but really the other Survs just need an outlet to complain about that awful match, it was not somehow going to become winnable or enjoyable if I participated lol

  • PetTheDoggo
    PetTheDoggo Member Posts: 1,995

    Well his limits arent same as kaneki, blight can do more with his power.

    No, Blight can do different things than Kaneki and Kaneki can do some things Blight cannot.

    What exactly are limits of Kaneki btw? I would really like to know.

    Blight can play as m1 but you would hinder your self

    Same for Kaneki. You can play without using your power to counter windows, pallets or gain distance. But you would hinder yourself…

    I don't consider neither Blight, or Spirit to be M1 killers. Kaneki players try to act like he is one, while it's simply not even close.

    Spirit can unly inflict damage with her m1, but truth is she is simular to ghoul more than blight with this both killers youse their power to get close to survivor and down them

    Spirit is not M1 killer, Kaneki is not M1 killer.

    If you chase with killer differently than killer without power, they are not M1.

    Whole "Kaneki has free hit, but can't down you with his power" seems as a joke to me…

  • Abbzy
    Abbzy Member Posts: 2,247

    No, Blight can do different things than Kaneki and Kaneki can do some things Blight cannot.

    What exactly are limits of Kaneki btw? I would really like to know.

    His limits are stil lbigger than blights. He has more limitations in chase than blight.

    Same for Kaneki. You can play without using your power to counter windows, pallets or gain distance. But you would hinder yourself…

    I don't consider neither Blight, or Spirit to be M1 killers. Kaneki players try to act like he is one, while it's simply not even close.

    I didnt said yo u have to play without your power with kaneki, he just isnt good with using his power on loops exept trying to leap to you and hit you but thats limited by some loops and his enraged vault as his antiloop thats all he can do with his power on loops, maybe try to cut you off on loops like shack but thats limited too and blight can do same with cutting you of and he can just hit you while rushing, kaneki plays more time as m1 killeer than blight thats fact blights power has more utility.

    Spirit is not M1 killer, Kaneki is not M1 killer.

    Depends what you consider as m1 but she isnt classic 115 m1 but only way she can cause damage is by m1, or if m1 is for you wraith,pihead,legion,clown than good but they use their power too to get value from it only difference is spirit is slower and her power is offering more speed but wraith has similarities dont you think (she isnt fast as 115 thats why all 110 killers have solid power to give them something in return).



    If you chase with killer differently than killer without power, they are not M1.

    If you consider this asm1 (clean m1 who cant use his power in chase directly) then ok but i would argue even wraith isnt m1 he uses his power to get closer,cut you of and then uncloak to get speed boost and get that m1 hit you can chase with him classic m1 way or use his power to play other way. With ghoul you chase as m1 just you can vault things and leap forvard as bonus thats it, simularities to legion with easier firs hit and then high mobility same as blight and vault as wesker but faster.



    Whole "Kaneki has free hit, but can't down you with his power" seems as a joke to me…

    Its still not that free, yes its easy to fet it more than legion who is one of the easiest killers to play as and with their power but what helps ghoul in this is mobility built in the leap to get that grab plus like 14 meters range and 2 meters long hitbox that can hit you over some loops or vault locations (windown,paletts), mobility is key factor in this game and if killer has bood mobility that he can control like blight,ghol,dracula,billy,wraith then he is that map dependent and can do most times more than killer who has build mobility like xeno,sadako,springtrap ( you can say why wraith well his mobility is good but he hast not strong antiloop to it like killers as xeno,springtrap and he needs addonst to make himself stronger).

    As almost free hit is blights shoulder flick his hit box is like unknows uvx are in the begining of the attack so you dont need to miss in the open at all if you know it then theres little survivor can do just pray you will miss or try to change direction to shake you of but experienced blight know how to pull it. Kaneki cant down you with his power directly only to injure you and get to you very close to get that m1.

  • Abbzy
    Abbzy Member Posts: 2,247

    You can argue kaneki is same as blight, he is very close but his antiloop isnt that leathal as blights in experienced playes hands.

    Some ghouls hits were kindap tech which is bug that makes his enraged vault busted with no counterplay dev fixed it but with fnaf chapter ghoul has many bugs some are new and some are the ones that has been alreasy fixed just twins moment (she has same bugs almost every new patch or some new ones).

    On avarage kaneki is easier and very strong but blight isnt weaker his antiloop makes him more of the threat in the chase than kaneki and him brute forcing loops isnt nerfed either, kaneki got the nerf for this.

  • 100PercentBPMain
    100PercentBPMain Member Posts: 2,794

    anybody who uses multiple gen blocking perks. ZZZ

  • PetTheDoggo
    PetTheDoggo Member Posts: 1,995

    His limits are stil lbigger than blights. He has more limitations in chase than blight.

    Ok and those are? Tell me what to do, so Kaneki is actually forced to play a loop as M1 killer.

    With Blight I can use small objects (rocks) to keep them between us and he can't really do much about it.

    Lockers work quite well to avoid hit too.

    He can't easily outplay majority of windows and safe pallets.

    So what are Kaneki's limits that are bigger than Blights?

    blight can do same with cutting you of and he can just hit you while rushing, kaneki plays more time as m1 killeer than blight thats fact blights power has more utility.

    Blight is not M1 killer. But between Blight and Legion/Clown, Kaneki is way closer to Blight…

    simularities to legion with easier firs hit and then high mobility same as blight and vault as wesker but faster

    So he has better first hit than Legion and then mobility on level of top tier killers… with fatigue lower than Legion, so it makes it viable in chase
    To be honest, I have no idea why Kaneki even has special vault to begin with.

    On avarage kaneki is easier and very strong but blight isnt weaker his antiloop makes him more of the threat in the chase than kaneki and him brute forcing loops isnt nerfed either, kaneki got the nerf for this.

    I never claimed Blight is weaker than Kaneki. I just think Kaneki is easier to play and more boring to play against.

  • Abbzy
    Abbzy Member Posts: 2,247

    Ok and those are? Tell me what to do, so Kaneki is actually forced to play a loop as M1 killer.

    More than blight for sure,hemust loop more as m1

    With Blight I can use small objects (rocks) to keep them between us and he can't really do much about it.

    With kaneki you cant use them that well mid chase on loops as blight and theres little more space to change direction without of risk getting downed with his leap, only thing you risk he will zone you if you arent carefull and you can get grabed with his leap still better option than getting downed.

    Lockers work quite well to avoid hit too.

    He can't easily outplay majority of windows and safe pallets.

    So what are Kaneki's limits that are bigger than Blights?

    Lockers can be outplayed with blight and his cooldown isnt that small either you have 4 rushes to het hit so you can play waiting game with survivor.

    Blight is not M1 killer. But between Blight and Legion/Clown, Kaneki is way closer to Blight…

    Thats something I will agree on thats when people ask for counterplay I tell them treat him like you went against blight with some spare (like he cant break things with leap only with addon most ghoult dont run).

    So he has better first hit than Legion and then mobility on level of top tier killers… with fatigue lower than Legion, so it makes it viable in chase
    To be honest, I have no idea why Kaneki even has special vault to begin with.

    His vault should be as antiloop tool I belive thats why he has it but why its so much fast Idk, I would make it same as wesker so he can vault but it isnt so brainded and kindnap tech still working is just picturing what dbd code is.

    I never claimed Blight is weaker than Kaneki. I just think Kaneki is easier to play and more boring to play against.

    Again something I will agree with he is much easier and it was what devs wanted but the release version was something more cheap than s-tiers and hight a-tiers whe have. Now he is kinda ok they need to fix his buggs and tunne down the enraged vault speed (the vault when enraged is stupid and easy in my opinion he doesnt need to be faster than weskers, hope if they make it same as wesker they will revert his hitbox after vault to weskers and not like they changes forgeting to revert all things back that werent busted and ther no reason to not have them) and I think he will be solid a-tier (bugs like kidnaptech, loosing less tokens when breaking palett enraged, hitting leap while sliding with flick to cancel his power and giving him enraged this happens even in open are when survivor should get clean hit, canceling leap when holding backwards and his leap hitbox hitting survivor who is already like 95% even with their whole body covered behind wall I got this on badham in the school entrace and its nuts these bugs just punnishes killer when he plays right and survivor too).

  • PetTheDoggo
    PetTheDoggo Member Posts: 1,995

    More than blight for sure,hemust loop more as m1

    Still, what are Kaneki's limits you talked about? Because they are definetly not same as M1 killers.

  • Abbzy
    Abbzy Member Posts: 2,247

    He can tuse his power to out play survivor on mid/samller distances before like vault or palett. Look at situation survivor is running toward hack window from outside normaly as m1 you woudnt make it as hit, with ranged killer you could zone him or hit him (still thers some chance killer will miss,samll but there is), with dash killers like wesker,demogorgan survivors still has some chance to doge them or bait them(wesker) and they need some time to charge thier dash attack but with blight you can dash to the widow or near it bump and you can now hit survivor with shoulder flick meaning theres very small chance for survivor to do anything, with ghoul you could try to cut him of but he can run opposite direction and doge it or vault it enraged but again he will still make it to the palett. Blights power gives you more antiloop on smaler distances thats something ghoul cant pull of and if he can its much harder compeare to the blight ablility even blight is much harder killer to play as.

  • PetTheDoggo
    PetTheDoggo Member Posts: 1,995

    You just randomly compare Ghoul with several other killers. I know what Ghoul can do, I am asking what survivors can do against him. What ghoul is weak at…

    Just write that without mentioning any other killer. Thing is I can create some tips how to chase every killer in DBD, except him.

  • LockerLurk
    LockerLurk Member Posts: 1,683

    That's also problematic because when Survivors are efficient, around 80% of the roster struggles to some degree. If it comes to a head I supposed BHVR will need to look into it, but that hardly seems fair as it would be punishing Survivors simply for doing their goal and playing well.

  • Abbzy
    Abbzy Member Posts: 2,247

    Thing is I can create some tips how to chase every killer in DBD, except him.

    If you can do it and you are saying the truth then you know by your self what you can do against him already.

    Try to deny him his grab with some clutter or line os sight blockers if you can. dont run into dead zones if you know he has his power ready to use. If he tries to cut you of change direction this depends lot on the killer but you can gain some distance that you normaly wouldnt or if he sees you an tries to get you with his power just fake you are running one direction and behind some object/wall run then opposite with two leaps theres small chance he will get you. When you dont want hi to vault enraged and its not his first leap then you just vault and get back to window/palett so he grabs you and theres some blocking object between you and him. looping is same as against legion only difference is he can vault fast when enraged and you cant hold W because his mibility is one of the best in the game he can control.