Giving up on hook in a different language.

You’re always going to get losers like this, but things have generally improved since the ability to unhook has been removed from base kit. I’d prefer it wasn’t left in via perks and offerings, but I’ll take what good BHVR actually manages to pull off.

I personally think the "go next prevention" is a bit over done. For instance, the ability to unhook yourself shouldn't be removed but you shouldn't die after your second miss of a skill check while struggling. Makes it to where you still can 4% (which plenty of people did without giving up) but you cant just let yourself die on hook.

Got to wonder why these people still play. Doesn't nearly every match invoke this reaction from them?

The other part of the prevention was detecting actions in game. This bombed and was taken out for now but would detect this kind of behavior if left in.

It's important to remove the ability for survivors to easily "go next", because the more barriers in the way the more likely serial rage quitters will just stop playing, because they are wasting more of their time not playing. Before the DC penalty was introduced, you would see disconnects nearly every single game. Since the DC penalty seeing disconnects is much rarer which means it's functioning as intended.

You just described deliverance, lol. Broken as a downside is much perfered over a lossed hookstate because you hit 2nd.

The problem is the list of reasons was endless. Every time and item on the list was checked off, the list would get expanded to add something else.

For sure... and they did. They kept addressing things and the goalpost kept changing over and over and people pretended that nothing was addressed.

The problem is your shooting in the dark trying to figure out which one to fix. Is it X, Y, Z, a mix, or cherry picking parts of them? In addition to that not everyone has the same issues with X, Y, whatever. You'd 'fix' a problem for some while others get a new one with the "fix". Thats not even touching the losers like in the op's post. It's a strangled mess.

I feel like if anything, the better tradeoff would be the incapacitated status effect to even out the fact you saved your team time they'd have to use to get you.

But in that same post you admit the trend continued "even if some of the worst offenders (such as the gen kick meta itself and Skull Merchant's first design) we're no longer around." A good amount of the major complaints sans tunneling and slugging have been in some way touched or addressed.

It's an unpopular opinion but I think they should just remove the DC penalty. Better to have a bot that will at least try than a player who will do nothing productive and may even sabotage the game.

True. But some things do remain unchanged, friends, such as map design, which I think I mentioned in one of my responses.

Well, to be fair, Nurse is a complicated example, since she ignores everything a survivor can do.

Sidenote btw... I dont play nearly as much survivor as I do killer, so maybe I just dont see it. Do killers regularly DC in your matches? If your gonna have a separate queue for griefers and quitters, you'd need people to fill both roles. Obviously there's 4x more survivors, but there seems to me to be way more than 4x the amount of survivor QUITTING.

Obviously this means we should nerf pig, lol. If they wanted to do a quitters queue instead of a time out, I'd be all for that too. Was just curious if there'd be enough killers to actually make it work. Would be ironic if instead of a 10 minute time out, ppl got a 1 hour queue time instead.

If I'm killer and I get someone doing this, I usually slug them until bleedout or kill their 3 teammates, then bodyblock the hatch force them to do gens and power the gates before closing it and slugging them until bleedout.

You might be trying to go next to avoid the DC penalty but by god I will do everything in my power to ensure your gameplay experience is as miserable as possible so it's in essence about as fun as staring at the DC penalty timer.

Man, that's definitely going to solve the problem and definitely not just tilt more people.

So here's the thing:

Giving up got worse, so bad in fact that the "go next epidemic" became the phrase in the last year or so. It's not because players became more petty over time, it's because of balance changes over time.

Specifically, when the match is over in the first two minutes, why play it out? Survivors still don't have a comeback mechanic so camping and tunneling one person out early not only means a boring game as far as gameplay, but you're also likely to lose unless you "gen rushed" to try and keep up. And you might still lose even then.

And since you're going back to the beginning of the game, tunneling in particular has been a complaint longer than dead hard at this point. Remember the "dead hard had been a problem for 6 years" thing? That was 3 years ago they dealt with that (twice in fact). Tunneling is over 9 years now.

BHVR can at least try to address some if the reasons people started going next in huge numbers.

And it's not as though BHVR is blind to at least some of the problem. Camping, tunneling, and slugging changes are planned.

The real question is why were these literally secondary? Why did they not implement these changes first, and then see if "anti go next" was even necessary at all?

The answer seems to be that they listened to the loudest voices only, which, coincidentally involved punish them all. They ignored reasonable arguments (like, let's try addressing literally any of the reasons games are hopeless first), and completely ignored feedback that their punishment system they designed was massively flawed before it went live.

I can't emphasize enough that "prove to us you're playing the game every 10 seconds" was what they pushed live. And doing so was a gigantic disaster, and likely lost them a massive number of new players in the most popular chapter launch in the game's history.

So let's try the actual, reasonable take this time and do something reasonable and meaningful in phase 2.