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your opinion about current killer state
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I actually enjoy the “sweaty” matches — I like it when neither side holds back. But 2 kills are never really the result I’m aiming for. Not because I need that 4K on the end screen (though let’s be real, pulling it off against a really strong team does feel kinda sexy) — but because that’s simply the expectation. People ask for it. At least from the groups I usually end up facing.
Killers learning.
Next time, maybe I skip the meme build with Devour. And you better bring Shoulder of Burden, David, 'cause your Marigold sure didn’t carry this and wasn´t that good.
But..yupp:
I’m with you. When you go all-in as a killer, a lot of solo queue groups just fall apart. Same with most casual players. One bad or unfocused player is enough to turn the whole team into an easy snack. (My kill rate is like 80-90%, (even on M1, so I’ve seen it firsthand.) (I’ve shared my kill rates here (yesterday?), but umm, I don’t think kill rates say much anyway.)
And i still think: It’s not that the killer roll is broken or OP, it’s just that solo queue is still a mess, and having even one bad or inefficient player in the game can lose you the whole match as survivor-team. DBD isn’t like it used to be where one person could carry everything. Not anymore.
Most rounds, especially with weak killers, are won because survivors don’t pay attention to their macro gameplay, even if everyone is solid in chases. They chase without thinking, (rip important gens) work on generators without thought, and position themselves poorly because “oh, the killer can’t catch me anyway — and I’ve still got my ds/dh/otr”
Or they just won’t admit that someone on their team needs to be sacrificed. (a lot of strong SWFs just break because they refuse to accept giving up on one teammate.)
It’d be great if lobbies were better sorted, and the MMR was actually decent. As a killer, you just don’t get a chance and time to figure out how good the team is early on. You get into a situation like “oh crap, one guy’s dead and 4 gens still up” and then maybe you could chill a bit. But then survivors notice you’re playing softer, maybe drop their item or throw you that cute hex:babypanda look. And you’re just like: Yeah, great. RIP me. And you’re just standing there like yish, ######### now, killing them now would feel even worse.” But farming feels lame too — if I let these guys go too much, I end up stuck in an MMR range I don’t want.
So you just do it quick and painless.
It’s not the killer’s job — it’s on BHVR to fix the MMR.
Kills and escapes alone were never a good way to measure who’s winning. They could’ve improved the old emblem system so much better. BUT: I feel like before they keep tweaking balance — nerfing killers, buffing survivors, etc — they need to fix matchmaking. The system kind of works, you get sweaty groups most of the times, but a lot of the time it’s just random mismatches with backfills or casual players getting thrown into games they don’t belong in.
So yaipp, I always wonder what’s the point of all the balance changes if matchmaking’s still this bad? I see it in my games too. Doesn’t matter what perks or buffs you give some people, they’d still die. And that’s totally okay! You can play super chill, casual, just enjoy the horror stealth vibe without needing to master every perk or map detail.
But those players should be in different lobbies
And only then—when players of roughly equal skill consistently end up in the same matches—can we even start to judge the state of the killer role and what balance changes Dead by Daylight actually needs.
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I also enjoy more sweaty matches. My killer isn’t builded for being friendly (poor him, he even can’t nod), and his power is like… means to be nasty and tunnel.
Before I was too kind and chill (consequences of being ghostie main), and after significant kill rate drop, more sweaty lobbies and zero kindness to me (like, I really doubt u ever think to be kind to killer, so a lot of people message gg ez or toxic slurs/staff if they win, while killer was actually being chill and didn’t try to make your life miserable) actually forced me to reconsider priorities. Interaction with survivor are too limited for actually wanting to be friendly (the guitar is cool, but it's not that original, and most likely person took it in a combo with perks for genrush)
I also realized that my skill... well, to put it mildly, I overestimated myself :₽ And playing always nice and giving survivors time to breath doesn’t let you improve as killer main.
I still have fun moments. I still let sometimes people go. But when I leave with one kill and three escapes cause “oh, they are so bad in chase, I shouldn’t be too persistent and mean” I start to question myself. Maybe I changed my mind if it was more encouragement for friendly interactions, but now it’s only rare occasions when survivors have good sence of humor or some accidental switch in my head where I feel I have to follow imaginary rule book. The game on killer is litteraly meant to win. On survivor idc until I have good chase and sacrificed my life for poor Bill who was hiding in the bushes because he got carried away into the lobby of p100 mastermind, while he is barely started to understand the game.0 -
Cause it’s easy manipulate by match history. I could easily say “look, my rebecca escaped so frequently , means it’s so cheesy to play survs”. Of course not. It’s just a solo queue where my teammates wasn’t complete potatoes. And killer failed at tunneling even. I put my average stats just as way to provide more clear image. My phead showed great results yesterday as well, but it doesn’t reflect my actual killrate and that I still learning:
Yea the difference comes though in my case when I, make public even, a several hour stream of what happened. I also post constantly on this forum of clips, other matches, so people generally have a good idea where I land on loadout and "skill" I suppose.
As well as playing both sides.
Average screenshots though can be manipulated just as badly.
Just on my survivor alone. Youll take my word for it, that I havent just been giga hiding, bringing a key every time, dropping it in basement and using clairvoyance to escape more often. Sandbagging my teammates in the process.
But then you wont take my word when I dont show you my killer loadouts. For my matches.
Gotta be equally vigilant about these things. Both are just as easy to manipulate.
A hint to some of those matches I whited out though. Some of them are carryover from last night. I literally whited out skull merchant win matches that even have film behind them 😂Does this mean ghostface killer is stronger than pyramidhead? I heavily doubt…
Your kill rate differences between your killers can have a lot of reasons. But the only thing you can really say is
"I have a higher kill rate on ghostface than on pyramid head"
Thats all those numbers mean.That's why I tried to create such discussion, to see less manipulation of number and hear actual opinion of surv/killer mainers, but somehow half of the comments is seemed full of people who playing other side, but commenting other. Maybe it was naive for me that survivors mains would talk about survivors and killers mains about killers. If you are a 50/50 player, just show it and I am ready to apologize and take back my words, cause I don't want to insist being “abs right”. I still don't even deny that solo queue is terrible, I just don't think it's the killers' fault and that their role actually easy.
This is right and spot on about why many of us hesitate to show everything, we've seen how it plays out.
There’s a consistent pattern on this forum, pretty much a culture actually, where anyone presenting evidence or experience from one side gets hit with a barrage of assumptions:
Heres some of mine:
•“You probably tunneled.”
•“You were playing Nurse/Blight” (even when I have footage showing I am not LOL)
•“Those were low MMR survivors.”
•“Matchmaking is broken.”
•“Show your stats, but I won’t show mine.”
•"Oh the survivors were just bad"
•"Insert unfair critique here"It's a problem. No matter how much someone or I shares, the response is often shifting goalposts or outright dismissal, without any willingness to provide counter evidence. It becomes a one way conversation. With you putting yourself out there, and then nothing in return.
At some point, you gotta realize that showing enough is the only reasonable approach, especially if the other side won’t meet you halfway at all and just question everything.
It’s frustrating, but unfortunately, there's a weird culture on this forum around it.
Good faith conversations are a two way street.And again, everything leads to the point “Game is killer sided until u have lobbies where at least one person is a huge burden for others or they ”cheese”.
What "sided" the game is, isnt really relevant to your discussion.
The post you have going though is the state of killer. And I believe its about as easy as it can get currently. Even with low tier killers.
With that though:Multiple things can be true:
•The game can be super easy for killers, easiest its ever been (in my opinion)
•Skull merchant needs attention badly
Just because I think the state of killers is generally easy, doesnt mean I dont think specific killers need work done to them.
For the matchmaking thing though its just another form of dismissal.Saying that killer is only easy because matchmaking is broken is wayyyy oversimplified.
Using that as a blanket excuse to dismiss why killer feels easy or hard is just not realistic. Matchmaking is broken for everyone, not just one side or person. It's not like one player is getting perfectly balanced matches while the other is dealing with massive problems. Everyone has to deal with this horrific system they have.
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This can all be solved with a simple screenshot of general statistics. Since your profile is private, the only thing people see here, especially in this discussion, are limited screenshots, where even on them some information is hidden. Why refer people to streams when you can show the number of hours played in one screenshot and not blur (why) part of the rest? Especially when you notice that people are already looking for a reason to doubt your success. You can simply not give room for doubt and from the outside such people will sound absurd.
It is not surprising that people will draw false conclusions or not trust. Everyone choose what to show and what not. The problem is that some people consider it a weird culture that people do not trust limited pieces of information and speculation, especially online.
Opening this discussion, and even confirming that my original intention is dedicated to the oddities of mmr and the illogical fight against the consequences, and not the cause, led to a dispute around SM and her kill rate. Obviously, you don't main her, and your first hundred games will be easy. The match history is not able to reflect the real state of the game, and you just hid the other killers. Most will doubt such a position, and that is… adequate. We still respect the position and opinion, we do not erase it or devalue it, but limited data encourages less faith. It is like that everywhere on the every forums
You already said my killrate and match history can have many reasons to look like this. Who knows, maybe I’m just a noob player who is angry that he can not tunnel that easily…
But why it doesn't works for your statistic as well? Especially on this discussion, where screenshots you posted already limited.
If anyone is curious about my playstyle, I can easily contact them later on Discord. But I can give one simple screenshot showing the total number of hours right here, without any difficulty. I am okay with people doubting me because this is the internet and many people's paranoia is justified
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Oh and the 50/50 thing yea I never claimed I evenly play both sides. Or why that would be relevant
Your post is titled "the state of killer"
Doesnt really have anything to do with survivor.
Unless this is another dismissal tactic where you want to see someones hours on killer and survivor and then say something like "well you only play X hours on killer, so your opinion means nothing"
To which I would say "I just played two days straight of killer and streamed one of them, can I play the other role please?"
not to mention a lot of killer is just waiting in que nowadays. These skull merchant matches have like 2 survivor matches worth of time between them.Obviously, you don't main her, and your first hundred games will be easy.
This is not true in the slightest.
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Do dredge, I dare you!
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In end of my post I asked both survivors and killers, that's true.
But I thought it was quite logical to conclude that it is much wiser for a survivor to share their experience of playing as a survivor against a killer, rather than changing positions. It is also strange, as when killers say that they rarely tunnel solo/the meta for survivors is too strong, and in order to prove their position they move from their chair of experience in the form of 7k hours on a killer and go to experience a crystal new MMR on survivors, where they are against killers with a much smaller understanding of the gameplay. I do not like when killers think that it is unfairly easy for survivors, and as arguments they cite their rare matches on survivors. I do not like the opposite situation as well, because playing true 50/50, I understand perfectly well that this is a substitution of concepts. I was convinced of this live, when at first I watched the gameplay of my friend for a killer (he is a killer mainer) and for a survivor. The level of play is often opposite. He was dying because of his inexperienced teammates, but in the chase with the killer, the killer felt quite helpless.
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@ChuckingWong show us the killer and build, don't hide it atleast
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First of all, most teams aren't coordinated. The game doesn't even have voice chat. Many people play soloq and have to deal with absolutely useless or selfish teammates.
Saying good game after tunneling and slugging is about the same as an insult. I've never taken that as anything but sarcastic when people do it to me. It wasn't a good game for someone who got tunneled out two minutes in or spent their time lying on the ground. When you down someone, you're supposed to hook them. It never even occurred to me to leave them there until I started playing surv and people did it to me. It's an exploit. They wouldn't be trying to address it if it wasnt an issue.
And really, what is the point? If you give the team no chance, why even play? You ever play surv? You might gain some empathy if you did, and you can see just how good those games are.
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I play as surv as well and I don’t understand why killer should have emphaty to other side. Don’t be toxic in chat writing gg ez and don’t do killer alternative of tbag is enough for me. If they wanted to win, they would take it anyway. No reason to impose “u should put yourself in my perspective”.
Another point to divide mmr on two sides where people care and don’t care to have 4k
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no.
You are asking a pretty straightforward question in your title and at the end of your post.
Peoples opinion on the state of killer and I gave it.
You then say in this post:Maybe it was naive for me that survivors mains would talk about survivors and killers mains about killers. If you are a 50/50 player, just show it and I am ready to apologize and take back my words, cause I don't want to insist being “abs right”.
So … what do you want?
Only killer pure players to answer to your post or everyone? You think that everyone is just a "main" with some massive bias to whatever time they spend the most on?
Why does it matter to you what a person plays and the answer they give you?
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•Im not sure you are allowed to tell others if they can respond or not based on what they play, or however many hours they have, or what role they have. The forums is a place for open discussion regardless of what people play.
Again this feels like a common dismissal tactic given on the forums. "well you only have x hours on this role, so your opinion doesnt matter"
I clearly play killer, so my perspective is not just a survivor one. I dont have to justify my answers to an open discussion by what I play.1 -
Definitely. Especially if you used to play Ghostie a lot, i think you know exactly how it goes
The moment survivors even sense that you’re struggling — and that can be due to a bad day, bugs, awful hit validation, or just a trash server — the circus starts. And with Ghostie, SWFs can get real cheeky.
Getting constantly broken out of your power by a strong SWF and being hard-stuck in pure M1 gameplay the entire match? Yopp…
I mean, sure — GG, well played to the team.
But for most players, it’s not just a “GG.” It’s the “GG” followed by a big fat “EZ” and the classic “tutorial killer” .I’ve stopped playing “nice” long looong long, even if that means a casual lobby might get steamrolled now and then.
You think you’re going soft, giving space and breathing room… and they’re still slamming gens right in your face.
(Which I do get — for a lot of players who aren’t stable in chase, gens and gen -speed are their only hope.)So now I usually only give just enough breathing room to keep control of the match. (I still play for the win.)
But the moment you do even one, only 1! thing “evil” — like going back to a hook, or tunneling someone just once because they literally ran straight into you —
that’s all it takes for you to be “the devil.”And you’re sitting there thinking, “hey, come on… I could’ve ended this game 3 gens ago.”
The moment you do anything to regain pressure or go for a win, you're instantly the bad guy. Doesn’t matter how you played before that.Having fun as killer is only okay if you lose.
Honestly, I don’t even miss the “friendly” interactions. This is a PvP game. A bit of rage and trash talk comes with the territory.
But in DBD? It sometimes goes way beyond that — like, way too personal, into some deep, dark, unhinged corners.3 -
@ChuckingWong I don't forbid people to reason, and most of the comments here from surv mainers from the position of a killer are absolutely acceptable. As you can see, I didn't write anything to them and didn't even try to dispute their opinions, because they don't even raise doubts. But that's only because they don't try to hide some of the statistics, make big statements like "specific side is so easy I don't need to do *this*" and then blame people in weird culture for not being able to trust your opinion.
Everyone has the right to express their opinion and I trust them, as long as they don't refuse to give a detailed argument and start manipulating data. The person who says that 4k shouldn't be pursued by killers and that it's toxic has a clear position, and there's no point in blaming him for that, even if I don’t agree. He wants game being fun for both and he has right for this. Other survivor mainer who also has p100 nemesis also has an opinion that would seem completely disadvantageous to me, but I agree with him because his position is consistent and supported by his stats and valid arguments.
But I'm sorry, there's zero trust in your point because your statements are unambiguous, they appeal to statistics that are partially hidden and the only explanation is "I've already provided enough, but evil people don't trust me." You are literally the only person on discussion I don't completely agree with.
I'm very happy with most of the comments. It helped me come to the conclusion that the game is really killer sided. But the reason is not the killer's strength, but in a terrible solo, which ghoul nerfs will never help, while hard sfw don’t leave chance to you. In fact, a strange mmr system and an attempt to balance the game by limiting both sides leads only to an limitation of a challenge, while the outcome of the game is quite clear. Is this the fault of the killers? Unlikely. Do they continue to nerf them? Yes. Does this help make life easier? Regular players never. Maybe for sweaty sfw only
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I know how bad SoloQ can be. I know how hard SoloQ struggles. I know that the moment the killer plays efficiently and teammates either don’t do their job or make even one or two big mistakes — and the killer actually capitalizes on them — the team is going to have a rough time.
But maybe try playing more killer yourself — and not just casually, but against better players.
Then you might start to realize that these “coordinated” teams aren’t as rare as you think.
Especially at certain times of day.
Especially once you’ve crossed a certain MMR threshold.
Some of my matches last night were exactly like that (sure, there were some casual lobbies in between too).
But you know these players. You know how they play. You know what kind of match you’re walking into.And that poor SoloQ David in the bottom left?
Yup… sometimes he’s exactly the pressure you need.It is what it is.
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Then why did you say this?If you are a 50/50 player, just show it and I am ready to apologize and take back my words, cause I don't want to insist being “abs right”.
surv mainers
How do you know this? Where are you getting this information that anyone here "mains" one side or the other unless they tell you?
Everyone has the right to express their opinion and I trust them, as long as they don't refuse to give a detailed argument and start manipulating data.
Theres nothing manipulated about it. Its just hidden. As its not relevant what killer or build was played to get the result. That's withholding information.
Manipulating data would be if I just put in random values and said thats what I got. Or did some crazy photoshop to make it look nice.
I literally have a video behind my data.
And even if it was nurse or ghoul (I would never) or blight….
How does that not make the state of killers easy when two of these killers have a high pick rate and kill rate? Thats literally the state of the game currently.
Which is directly contradicting this:But the reason is not the killer's strength
You think the killers, who are popular right now and have high kill rates, have nothing to do with their strength?
It helped me come to the conclusion that the game is really killer sided.
How does the game being easier as a killer player or not say anything about how sided the game is?
I feel like this post is off on a tangent that is unrelated to your thread.1 -
@ChuckingWongI'll explain it again: your specific opinion is not supported by anything. That's why I was ready to take my words back if it was supported by enough experience playing on the killer. Other surv mains provided at least something valid that supported their opinion. Or their opinion did not require support at all, because it is an abstract position. I replied to different comments including various people, and as you noticed, only you received message about “so sad half of the people are just manipulating by other side”. It was a hint. Unfortunately, used as a way to get away from the topic that for some reason you cannot provide complete screenshots (while accusing people of mistrust).
"Manipulation" is not only distorting numbers or misrepresenting words. It is hiding part of something. And then, the most amazing thing - to accuse of weird culture is actually weird. Showing a game on SM, on which you obviously do not have much experience playing, and using this as an argument for an "easy game" is manipulation. Because, obviously, my discussion asked about the general situation, and not ten games on the killer where the mmr is unknown. This whole argument can be resolved with simple screenshots of the full picture, but you refuse to provide it. It is your right and I’m fine with it. It is only my right to say that in this case the position is absurd . What is the idea of hiding data from other matches? Do you have a nurse hiding there with NOED or hex blight? Why hide data on the total number of hours played on the killer if your whole point is that it is very easy to play? You do not give an explanation for this, and when a person makes limited conclusions, you are offended and accuse him with choosing preferred sides.
Killer doesn't have abnormal kill rate. Only two killers have av kill rate above 60%, and only because it is hard for new players to understand their power. 10 of them below 50%. Mostly killer has av kill rate less than 55% This is clearly lower than what the developers stated about “having av 60% kill rate is fine.
So yes, nothing with the strength until it is not nurse or blight with hillbily. Survivors losing by killer taking advantage of their miscommunication usually. Or they got unfair mmr lobby.
I really don't understand why ghoul is still so deadly after nerfs. Cause he is now basically better legion with higher mobility and more annoying scream. I will assume only because he can counter shift w, while it is still the most popular way to play
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I'll explain it again: your specific opinion is not supported by anything.
3 things
1) My opinion doesnt need to be supported by anything. Open discussion is open discussion.
2) It is supported by more than anyone here.
I gave matches as evidence; I dont come at this from one angle, as well as a 2 hour + stream. Show me someone who provided 2 hours+ of game play to justify their opinion? Anyone?
No-one but me here did. Lets keep things truthful here.
3) I didnt have to post any of this to have an opinion. You are very mistaken if you think this is a requirement to have an opinion on the forums.Other surv mains provided at least something valid that supported their opinion. Or their opinion did not require support at all, because it is an abstract position. I replied to different comments including various people, and as you noticed, only you received message about “so sad half of the people are just manipulating by other side”. It was a hint. Unfortunately, used as a way to get away from the topic that for some reason you cannot provide complete screenshots (while accusing people of mistrust).
Again I dont know how you know who is maining what. Unless someone is telling you this, you are just assuming this. And ultimately it doesn't matter. Its not relevant to this discussion.
Im not accusing others of mistrust, these are direct things that have been said to me, not just in this thread, but multiple. Theres no accusation of these things on this forum. These are real responses that are even in your own thread.
And you even do it at the end of your statement here with the "hex blight" and "NOED nurse" comment. Which ill touch on below."Manipulation" is not only distorting numbers or misrepresenting words. It is hiding part of something. And then, the most amazing thing - to accuse of weird culture is actually weird.
What?
I said the culture on this forum of dismissing others and questioning them based on unrelated topics is wierd.
And you literally do it at the end of your discussion, by accusing me of playing blight or nurse. But it gets so much worse with the nurse accusation because you attached a perk she would NEVER run.Showing a game on SM, on which you obviously do not have much experience playing, and using this as an argument for an "easy game" is manipulation.
A game? It was 10. And there were multiple hard ones in there, one of which I lost. You make it sound like I have 0 transferable skills from playing killer for several years onto SM.
Yea I dont understand her power fully, but I definitely know how to play a stealth killer.Because, obviously, my discussion asked about the general situation, and not ten games on the killer where the mmr is unknown.
You dont know the MMR of anyone that responds to your thread. Why is it important what MMR someone has now? Does their opinion not matter if they dont have it high enough?
Do you have a nurse hiding there with NOED
Okay …. yikes.
I think its probably best that you stick to your topic rather than worry about all these other things. The discussion is about "your opinion about current killer state"
Someone is freely able to leave what they believe, they dont have to justify it with anything either.Post edited by ChuckingWong on4 -
1) You can comment however you want, but people will not have fewer doubts from this.
2) You certainly did not provide more data than anyone else here. The only evidence is the match history results, where everyone except SM is blurred. Stream was dedicated to SM also for sure. And the statistics on survivors (and again, we return to the weird culture with off topic posts you mentioned ).People will draw false conclusions and accuse, this cannot be changed.3) People in the comments themselves stated that they are survivor mainers. They themselves stated this or that, and the only assumptions that are built from me are around you, because "the only one who provided the best data" has referred to a couple of screenshots and a stream, which is not even linked to general discussion. Others have evidents from their screenshots, statements and words. Other killers provided either detailed statistics of their hours played, or a history of matches with a wide variety of killers.
4) Your evidence is literally the history of matches on SM, which you tried out of enthusiasm. That's all. This does not reflect the picture of MMR. This does not reflect the picture of the general situation. This doesn't reflect my question of general killer state. It's a big off topic where u just decided to play considered low tier killer, where at the start you’ll always have chill matches. At the same time, you make statements like that the whole side of the game is incredibly simple. Your stream, your games simply reflect the first games on main, which you are not used to. Since each killer has an individual MMR, and you yourself said that you are not an experienced player on her, ten games are not able to reflect reality, no way.
5) If you do not want false conclusions to be made for you, first, start giving a complete picture and not pretending to provide it, do not make loud conclusions or do not try to draw conclusions for people yourself. This simply becomes rude communication, because any attempt by me to directly ask the question "why can't you give full data" turns into rudeness, attempts to latch on to certain phrases and already move on to accusations of "you're probably new to the game,yikes” when I make humorous assumptions about what you are hiding.
I will repeat the question: why are you hiding any data of killer matches and the total number of hours besides SM, while talking about the easy position of killers. If instead of a direct and simple answer there will be another "what I want, that's what I say" or another attempt to turn my own words against me, I will prefer not to answer at all. Because there will definitely be no adequate dialogue. It’s already become aggressive, to be honest.
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1) You havent been on the forums long enough, people doubt no matter what.
2) Yes I did and yes it is, page 2 halfway down the page. Right there linked.Complete 10 match vod
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2518187040Sable squad/RPD gang vod beating me
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2518276119
3) In 3 pages you have had 2 people say they play survivor more than killer.
Where are all these survivor mainers you are talking about?
Why does this matter on "your opinion on the state of killer"?
4) Again why does MMR matter? Why do I need to give you a MMR in order to have an opinion?
How does MMR and "your opinion on state of killer" connect?
How do you know your MMR?
How do you know mine?
Why do I need to play a number of games specifically with SM to have an opinion that matter?
Why do I need to play a number of games specifically with killer to have an opinion that matter?
Do you think I havent played any other killer in the game?
Why does any of this matter to have an opinion on the state of killer in the end?
5) Again I dont need to provide anything to give an opinion on this forum. That is all just extra from someone who is willing. You're extremely lucky to have someone like me or anyone post stats to show their perspective on things.I will repeat the question: why are you hiding any data of killer matches and the total number of hours besides SM, while talking about the easy position of killers.
I have already answered this question.
Why does it matter what hours I have to answer "opinion on the state of killer"?I would like just hear opinion of others, either it's survivor or killer, with more or less experience in game as me.
This is a direct quote from your first page.
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Cause on lower MMR playing killer incredible simple.
Nevermind, I already watched your streams. Survivors there really on.. sad level. No wonder why u say it's easy, maybe the cause in region differences or you indeed new player on SM.
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Okay classic dismissal response. Didnt actually have an answer for anything, and in the end showing you just want to "critique" gameplay through dismissing people.
You have managed to not really bring anything new to the forums in terms of honest discussion sadly.
I doubt you watched the team that beat me in the… 10 minutes it took you to respond to me.
As well as any part of the stream you said didn't exist that is 2 hours+ long, that you somehow are now watching.
Some advice:
MMR doesnt 100% reset down to 0 when swapping to a new killer there is a safety mechanism in play for that. Your mmr goes just below what normally have on your other killers and then normalizes after a handful of matches (5-6 depending on wins/losses).Do you have a nurse hiding there with NOED
Nurses dont use NOED because special attacks dont work through expose. It requires a basic attacks. NOED is a useless perk on nurse.
Blink attacks are special attacks.
Nothing needs to be shown to give an opinion on the forum. That is extra that is nice to have if someone is willing, its not a requirement.3 -
Tunneling is just how you win. What exactly am I supposed to do? Try to set up traps while gens are flying and the team is laughing their asses off, gens zooming past everything, doing the whole “come chase me” routine— always someone behind me ready to instantly disarm every trap? And if things do get dicey, they’ve got instant heals in their pocket anyway.
https://youtu.be/QN7lU_orSMA
Should I go defend gens while people pre-shift into strong loops the second they see me? Nah. Sorry, little Sable’i — you might not like what’s happening right now, but this is the only way. We both gotta deal with it. You were just the first one I found — so you better fight for your life now.
“Or spend their time on the ground. When you down someone, you’re supposed to hook them.”
Yea? I picked up the Ace at the end. I hooked him. And I regretted it instantly.
Luckily it twon this shack chase — otherwise all three would’ve been back on their feet in seconds.If it’s an exploit — then please, tell me: how else am I supposed to play?
And then let’s get good people in a nice map for good measure. MacMillan with some juicy god pallet spawns, maybe Autoheaven with the fun fun bus, or hey, let’s spice it up with Springwood.
No event stuff either, for sure.
The killer is ready to “learn” how not to exploit.What’s the advice? Set up some kind of trap zone? Lock down a gen cluster and pray?
You think good survivors give a damn? They’ll just tap, disarm, distract, loop, reset, heal, repeat.
Go ahead. Show me the honorable way to win.I’m so open to learning, I even brought a notebook. Page one says: “Don’t play killer.”
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I literally played on singularity first time yesterday, and there 0 prestige on survivors or they put pallets down after taking a hit. Worst mistake ever. MMR on every killer is unique, and u’ll 100% get more casual and simple players on the first time. The highest kill rate usually if u cracked on your main or it's relatively fresh mmr killer.
I’m glad to hear some team beat you. Few posts ago you told that’s so easy. Play more to deal with it, what I supposed to do with that information if you put stream as an example of your point and survivors in 70% of playtime doing primitive mistakes and literally wasting time in a loop until they lose health state by the drone? I see what I see, no wonder why the game was so easy
NOED was joke. If u know noed worked on her long time ago and seeing her with this perk is basically a meme. I played 2v8 as ghostie, I know her special attack are useless on exposed status.
As well as hex blight, cause he doesn't need it to win and one of the best killer to use dms + surge. I don’t know why I have to explain it…
Maybe I didn't brought anything “new” to discussion, as well as you brought nothing to this particular discussion. Only some play on SM against fresh players and weirdly used it as argument of easy killer play. Congrats?
Now instead of normal discussion and direct answers to questions I asked long time ago we have aggression here and an attempt to find someone else's mistake when they point out their own. I don't want to be banned from this forum because of senseless insults, I also don't want to communicate with a person who can't stand an opinion that disagrees with him and instead of direct arguments uses off topic :/ Have a nice day
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It pisses me off when I see a certain streamer with his 600 winstreak on blight, that shouldn't be possible in any PVP game, the guy is just farming bots at this point…
good killers on pc have around 70-80% killrate if not more it's gross, they balanced the game so even the weakest console killers can get 3-4ks regularly. And the worst part is business wise it's totally working for them, the game is trash but they're probably making more money than ever before
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Yet again proof posted by multiple users but dismissed because it doesn't fit the narrative of forum killer mains. I don't know why anyone even bothers anymore.
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I literally played on singularity first time yesterday, and there 0 prestige on survivors or they put pallets down after taking a hit. Worst mistake ever. MMR on every killer is unique, and u’ll 100% get more casual and simple players on the first time. The highest kill rate usually if u cracked on your main or it's relatively fresh mmr killer.
Again, there’s a safety mechanism in place when you play a killer for the first time, you don’t start at 0 MMR. It places you slightly below your actual MMR to avoid smurfing. (if you have played another killer that is)
None of this is required in order to share an opinion on the state of killers.
Noone knows their MMR and it doesnt matter in the end.
From your own OPI would like just hear opinion of others, either it's survivor or killer, —→with more or less experience in game as me. ←—
I’m glad to hear some team beat you. Few posts ago you told that’s so easy. Play more to deal with it, what I supposed to do with that information if you put stream as an example of your point and survivors in 70% of playtime doing primitive mistakes and literally wasting time in a loop until they lose health state by the drone? I see what I see, no wonder why the game was so easy
My experience with Skull Merchant is just one example. I’ve played other killers too, and my point isn’t based on just one session. It’s based on consistent experience over time.
I included gameplay out of good faith, not because I needed to “prove” anything, but to participate meaningfully.
NOED was joke. If u know noed worked on her long time ago and seeing her with this perk is basically a meme. I played 2v8 as ghostie, I know her special attack are useless on exposed status.
NOED on nurse was about…. over 2 years ago. And I dont know why it was said, and it was never popular anyways.
None of which is relevant to leave an opinion on the state of killers. Or required.
Same thing can be said about whatever "hex blight" even means. Did not ask, has no relevancy to your thread.Maybe I didn't brought anything “new” to discussion, as well as you brought nothing to this particular discussion. Only some play on SM against fresh players and weirdly used it as argument of easy killer play. Congrats?
Theres no maybe. This discussion has revealed itself to
not be
"Leave an opinion everyone on the state of killers"
To
"I dont want to hear killer is easy, and if you say it is I will do everything I can to dismiss everything you have to say, by guessing your MMR, what type of killer you play, how many hours you play, what kind of main you are, and scrutinizing everything you have to say or show"The conversation seems less about genuinely sharing perspectives and more about filtering out views that don’t align with the idea that killer is hard.
Rather than acknowledge my opinion with a simple "I disagree but to each their own" type of response; we have a full 2 page audit of everything I have to say or show. Culminating in guessing my MMR, my hours, my main, my other killer players….
Pretty much everything I put into my bullet points on why hid information in the post of what the killers I played were or what build YOU went ahead and did.
Here they are for reference:
All unreasonably asked because the thread was never about freely expressing opinions in the end. Instead it was finding every avenue to dismiss and pick apart opinions that dont align with killer being hard. Its just unfortunate.-1 -
Already got told to do Skull Merchant.
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If safety mechanism exist, why this mikaellla was there?
or springtrap here:
Or even me having situations like this:
(they were all being knock down in a few seconds). Someone posted here about "people don't want to take screenshots as an arguement only because it despises by killer mains. Indeed, not because half of them was blurred and person dont want to tell why.
That’s consistent experience u don’t want to show, and according to your streams from last year, u block survivors if they escape u and type cheeky messages on endgame , or u slug until someone dc as pig on rpd if players shows some resemblance of skill level. I’m sorry, but streams u posted aren’t about facing insanely good survivors…. They working against you. Where u play as merchant on rpd tunneling claudette and got other hook only by camping in endgame. No one will actually believe in your insane experience with such way.
I don’t want to hear killer is easy from people like you, who hides part of their stats and show mid gameplay without actually sweaty lobbies on stream. Other people here proved in a better way. Other killers said it in other way. And they don't hide they are using unfunny strategies
The only consistent thing u are in, I’m sorry, trying to play around my words. Like, I commented about nurse and noed 4 post ago, two times told u it was humorous comment and u still “don’t know why it was said”. Like, I two times in a row told u why, stop being clingy to insignificant words and answer the question directly. Show your consistent experience in reality by sharing hours of gameplay. Come on. Or u’ll try to catch up by one phrase again in search of deep meaning, hiding your true consistent experience?No tunnel/camp/slug.
U told about this and yet somehow on streams there are games where 4 hooks and three belongs to already dead person. Don't get me wrong, opinion about killer side game is absolutely valid, until you dont hide killer stats or post in comments one thing, while actually doing another. Just question yourself why you are the only person I put myself in arguement with and realise sth, while about 5 people replied 'killer is so easy' and I'm fine with their pinion
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Yep I'm doubling down on this: aside from minor tweaks needed, Killer as a whole is in an OK state. Not perfect not bad, OK.
The only issues with Killer either side these days are the same as always: quick gens when Survivors get their crap together, some Killers needing tweaks or buffs, and some map issues. I'd also count the queue times being slow.
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75% kill rate playing killers like piggy and trapper, whitout camping or tunneling… luck?, the MMR is broken for me?… Killer state is not perfect, but it's not "worse than ever" neither.
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I just wanted to come in and ask what you are trying to show with these screenshots? I'm not arguing them or anything like that. I'm just not sure what the intent is or how it is connected to the safety in place for mmr.
If it's the prestige levels, the Mikaela could be someone with many hours who just now acquired the character or started playing as her. Survivors share the same mmr as far as I know. They may even be doing an adept achievement.
The spring trap could be the same. Someone may have just picked up the killer. They clearly aren't new with the perks they have.
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Just wanted to throw this from the wiki page.
"Killer MMR-Rubberbanding
Each Killer has their own individual MMR score, which is the reason Players are locked to playing a specific Killer once the matchmaking process starts, prohibiting switching to another Killer.
Despite this, however, there is a rubberbanding-effect by which a Player's best-performing Killers will influence the score of all of their other Killers.
This is to prevent skilled Players from being matched with lower-skilled Survivors when choosing a Killer they do not play often or regularly.It can be assumed that an experienced Player will perform reasonably well with most other Killers, despite not playing all of them equally often and matching them with inexperienced Survivors would not be fair.
This mechanic also automatically affects any new Killers the Player unlocks through purchasing DLCs"
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Mikaella played like she was actually new to the game. Or I cannot explain why she tried to get back on a gen after getting hit infront of killer face. Springtrap actualy got three hooks in game only and it was easy chase aginst him. U can define level of the survivor by their map knowledge and how they playing around. If killer playing on rpd and doesn't know shortcuts to catch survivors, or can not play around semi safe pallete, is this is good?
I also experienced it myself. Week ago I saw offering from 4th anniversary first time in my life. Person had around 9k hours against my 600. Doubt it was sfw, but I ended up with one hook only. They weren't some cheaters, they just were actually good.
And I see such situations at least twice on a day, from both sides.I simply dont believe in safety mechanism after having 9th game on spirit in my life with -2 gamma challenge from my friend and still somehow getting easy downs.
If I decided to tunnel someone here, they would be dead (considering I lost devour on 5 gens). Doing such terrible challenge on killer I'm new at, and survivors there have poor understanding of play. I don't want to call them bad players. Probably, they were just unexperienced
I need to add that sometimes this mechanism works, but from my experience trying new killers it was only three cases (from 20 killers)
I was doing random perks challenge, on unknown. Was so confused with his power xd so spend half of the trial to make a hit using his ability. Survivors there was on level I am common with. But still, same happened on me only when I was playing booba and nurse. Other cases…. free kills while I dont even got the main point of power yet.
So just look on Nancy whose team died on 5 gen with zero tunneling or slug. I'm pretty sure she stopped to believe in any safety mechanisms after this. And I stopped to believe half of my killrate is fair
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I posted about the mmr thing above but the full info can be found here.
The Mikaela hopping right back on a generator may just mean they were trying to get themselves put out or trying to farm. The same with spring trap. Perhaps they were just trying to learn his skills and not so focused on winning the match.
I'm not saying either of these are the case as I have no reason to believe what you saw and experienced isn't exactly what happened. But what I mentioned are things that could happen and do happen often.
You can absolutely tell when someone has some skill or knowledge in the game but you can not tell when someone may not even be trying. Hours also do not always equate to skill. It may mean someone probably has a better understanding of things or general game sense. That doesn't mean they've ever actively tried to improve their own gameplay.
I started playing years ago but I've taken long breaks between playing. I also stopped playing for kills or escapes for a very long time. So looking at my stats it would just look like I've racked up 3k hours without learning anything. When in fact I use to play as hardcore as I could for a win and tried learning as much as possible at that time.
Edit: I want to throw out that with how queue times have been who knows where matchmaking even is right now.
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So people who just farm should be matchmaked with p100 masterming or tryhard lobby? If springtrap was just farming, then why he tried to tunnel steeve and was playing on endgame?
It still doesnt correspod to mmr safety mechanic, if u get lobby like this. Just attempt to find an excuse of another lose and put a blame on specififc side-4 -
You are confusing someone farming with someone who always farms. Anytime there is an event going on, you are going to see people playing in all sorts of ways. Especially when blood point offerings are involved. Some people may even go into a match with the intention of farming but then realize the other side wants no part of it, so they then change it up.
So yes, if someone plays at a high level, they should still be matched against these people, farming or not. It would be different if there was casual/competitive queues and the matchmaking could be more relaxed for one. But there isn't.
Then you have to take into account the queue times. The longer matchmaking takes, the more relaxed the mmr becomes to try and find a match quicker. Then there would even be an issue with SWF. I'm not sure how the matchmaking works if one person is at a low level of mmr and one person is higher.
When all of these things come into play, the safety mechanic may not be able to effectively perform its job. There are more variables than just what character someone plays.
I know you said that a lot of players overestimate themselves. This can be true for both sides. But many people often think they are on the same level or higher than someone else, when they are not. Then they try to discredit that person's gameplay.
I could watch any popular streamer steamroll groups of survivors. In my mind it may look easy so I assume those survivors were not as skilled. When in reality that streamer was just more skilled and that same group of survivors could possibly steamroll me if I was playing the killer.
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Honestly it's quite average. Killer experience is literally based on HOW GOOD survivors are in the lobby. If you meet experienced players with weaker half of the killers, you are screwed to the point it's very difficult to even get few hooks. If you meet babies, it's exact opposite. They do so random and unpredictable stuff I feel sad for killing them.
So if we speak honestly if your goal is to get 4K, pick your main killer and show your best. If you want to have fun and won't be upset with 0-3K, pick anything you want.3 -
@Moonras2 I don't feel anything against people who even ocassionaly farm. You can get more bloodpoints without making life of your teammates harder. You cannot imagine how many games onevents finished on 5 gens cause my teammates 'wanted to farm" on event. That's why I quit this.I didn't play events on these screenshots so they even have less excuse for doing this.
If you farm and put others on the level of yours why they tried to play and you didn't - thats weird.
First time see someone who tried to justify farming, when killer is basically in afk state or survivors actually spoiling game for your teammates. No one would be happy if they see teammate cleansing empty totem instead of healing guy on the death hook or do some gens. Especially during event. Come one, I have 1 million bp by actually playing today, for what god reason I need farm?Post edited by tes on0 -
This discussion has revealed itself to
not be
"Leave an opinion everyone on the state of killers"
To
"I dont want to hear killer is easy, and if you say it is I will do everything I can to dismiss everything you have to say, by guessing your MMR, what type of killer you play, how many hours you play, what kind of main you are, and scrutinizing everything you have to say or show"The conversation seems less about genuinely sharing perspectives and more about filtering out views that don’t align with the idea that killer is hard.
Rather than acknowledge my opinion with a simple "I disagree but to each their own" type of response; we have a full 2 page audit of everything I have to say or show. Culminating in guessing my MMR, my hours, my main, my other killer players….
You are also lying about claudette being tunneled in that match. You either dont know what tunneling is, or think I went out of my way, ignoring everything to get rid of her in the match. I even chased several people and hooked someone else before stumbling on her.
I have 0 info perks so I couldn't even tunnel her if I didnt camp the hook. Which I didnt do. I randomly found her every time.
If you are going to dissect someones video, at least do it in good faith. Not straight up lie.You now are actively telling me that my opinion does not matter and in your direct words:
I don’t want to hear killer is easy from people like you
and according to your streams from last year
> > >current< < < killer state.
You also went out of your way to look at videos I didnt even link ever to you ; a year ago to use as an ad hominem attack in conversation. Why are you bringing up pig videos from over a year ago? What does that have to do with your thread?
Your thread literally has in its title.
I am going to go ahead and report your thread since it seems you are set on focusing on all of these things rather than accepting an open dialogue and discussion, even when people disagree with you.Post edited by ChuckingWong on1 -
OK when you said traps, I was expecting Trapper, but you can do a ton with Hag. I get absolutely stomped by good Hag players with well placed traps and good predicting of survivor movement. She's one of the characters I dread going against the most cause her rare players are usually good.
How else are you supposed to play? Have you really never played that way? Like I said, none of these tactics even occurred to me until I was on the receiving end. I've never tunnelled anyone out of a match. Even when I accidentally pick up the trail of a recently unhooked survivor, when I see it's them, I turn around (plenty of killers swerve on me in the same way. Again, play surv and you'll see other playstyles from the other side.) I still maintain an average kill rate of 60% while often letting the last person leave. The only time I'll drop someone on the ground is if the team is crowding me with body blocks or they keep sabotaging the hooks.
The question that's come up again and again is 'is killer the easier role?" Only killer mains who never or rarely play surv seem to argue that it isn't. You're doing a good job at arguing that it is. The difference between the two roles is that killers can be cheap and completely remove player agency. Bad players can beat good ones with trash tactics instead of just becoming great at the game. There's no equivalent of this for survivors. There's nothing they can do to incapacitate the killer or put them in a guaranteed loss position. Absolutely terrible killers regularly get 4ks against my team with all gens done because they went into uber cheap mode at the last second. Four good survivors can be beat by a low-skill killer. That is the problem with this game. One side has to take undeserved Ls regularly, the other side is rewarded for being unable to take a deserved one.
I played against a Huntress last night that used no cheap tactics. Absolutely slaughtered us with a very simple killer. Didn't miss any of their throws. We didn't get one gen done. They were so damn good and I had mad respect for them. They also gave me the hatch because they were good enough to not absolutely NEED the 4k. Their kill rate is probably crazy even with the occasional mercy.
Also that's also one of the most cringe songs I've ever heard wow
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You are now editing your post and adding things to say which is just showing me how much you are not concerned with an open discussion.
U linked this stream to this discussion. You reffered to them when I asked for actual proofs, and now 'it wasn't even linked to you'
How convinient.
For context that reply was for:
and according to your streams from last year,
I did not link you to any pig matches from over a year ago in this thread. Your post is titled "Your opinion about current killer state"
This is a clear ad hominem attack on someone. I linked my skull merchant matches from the other night, not my pig matches from over a year ago to a thread asking about CURRENT killer state.
You profile dived my twitch to "dig up", selectively by the way, anything you could to discredit anything I have to say about current day killer state.No need to guess your MMR. You hide the good half and on streams survivors playing mid and you tunnel them :/
No need to guess what killer to play, cause you hide it :/
No need to guess your hours of play, cause ugh, you hide it.
No need to guess how you are playing, your sm experiment showed it and thats not funny at all :/You're right there is no need. Its not required to leave an opinion in an open discussion on the forum.
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Sable squad/RPD gang vod beating meI didn't read the description closely enough. I was watching the Sable squad match and the whole time I was like 'how does he lose this?!'
Then I realized there were two trials 😋
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Yea A LOT of mistakes happened in that RPD match but they were also very aware of me despite undetectable and monitor
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As soon as she was unhooked 2nd time you chased her. When 3 hooks from total of 4 is dedicated to one person is simple tunnelling.
Idk how u can justify it by hooking one guy in between. Like, if u slugged 3 and hooked one it doesn’t exclude slugging. If two survivors are injured and u choose chase unhooked one - it’s tunneling. Not hard tunnelling so, but still tunnelling.
You're right there is no need. Its not the required to leave an opinion in an open discussion on the forum.
But you did it anyways. Multiple times even.Because you put your opinion along with “statistics” and assumes that “you provided the best argument on this discussion ever” . No it doesn’t matter somehow, cause turns out stats are weird if hiding main picture.
That’s actually something. Switching from “I already prooved enough” to “I don’t need to prove you anything”.
This is a clear ad hominem attack on someone. I linked my skull merchant matches from the other night, not my pig matches from over a year ago to a thread asking about
CURRENTkiller state.
I put as an example of cases how you behaved in game before year ago and still does. Still slug, still tunnels. And after this try to justify it “I didn’t tunnel, I was spreading hooks, or they were doing simple mistakes, it’s their fault I tunneled them”
Indeed, their fault. But this doesn’t cancel fact you took advantage of this and gave them no chance. If that’s it, I didn’t tunnel myself at all as well. As well as majority of killers. Hardtunneling are much rare now, devs helped enough.
Here you probably also didn’t tunnel, leaving survivor slugged until chasing the only person who already have 2 stages, cause he was rescued less than 30 seconds ago. Literally you had free hook stage on other person, decided to commit chase to other
She just so happened to be back there. Thats not my fault. You want me to ignore a down? And then call me a tunneler?You may be surprised, but yes. You could easily give a hit to steeve, down (he was in dead zone) and then hook stage, but u dropped everything to commit a chase to person who was already hooked. It wasn’t intentional tunnelling, but still
tunnelling.
Went back as soon as unhook happened and downed her while u were in chase both with her saviour, who also was injured and guaranteed easy down.Finally:
They saved in my face for her final hook thats not my problem x2. I have no info perks, the map is stupid small, and they were impatient on the unhook. Which I let the person in end game chat know.
You said killer role is so easy, why to find any excuses for “bluh bluh not my problem”. So, how it cancel tunneling? That u had opportunities for hooks/downs/hits but commited to chase survivor in already vulnerable position, and after this messaging “Easy no tunnel or slug/camp”?
I can justify what happened on video, but definitely not when this actions is made by person who saying the role so easy you don’t need to do x thing, but anyway commits it. While complaining on poor survivor side.If u play in lobbies where people do unsafe rescues, doing mistakes like this and you yourself justify tunneling cause “it’s them, not me”, no wonder why you find killer role so easy.
Soft tunnel, but still tunnel. Slug out of necessity, still slug. Definitely not “easy no tunnel or camp” .0 -
At this point OP you are just engaging in targeted harassment.
Its one thing to disagree with someone but this back and forth exchange with you including:
•Profile diving my twitch and bringing up years old videos as ad hominem attacks not related to your thread.
•Lying and misrepresenting posts people make.
•Cherry picking peoples opinions that dont align with yours and invalidating them, rather than disagreeing with them.
•Accusing others of a certain play style to discredit what they have as an opinion
•Assuming other peoples MMR to discredit what they have as an opinion
•Assuming what people "main" or play or dont play to discredit what they have as an opinion
•Telling others you dont "want to hear from people like you"
•Passive aggressive misquoting of someone with things like "bluh bluh not my problem"
•Admitting that you dont want to engage in good faith with this quote "Do you really think after this I willl try to actually have decent arguement with you? "
•Refocus your thread entirely on one person rather than moving on with a simple "I disagree" type of post.
You are just on a one man smear campaign doing everything you can you invalidate someones opinions.
All the examples I gave for a reason for not showing everything to people on this forum; you have done towards me in this thread.
You are EXACTLY why noone should reveal too much because no matter what is shown to you, you will shift goal posts much like your redefining of tunneling above and silly micro, false and lying by the way, critiquing of footage given.
And you will do it for multiple pages.
I dont need to answer how many hours I play what and what role to give my opinion.
I dont need to answer what my builds were and what killer I played to give my opinion.
You say you have ~600 hours in this game?
I have more hours just in the killer role ALONE than your total hours.
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uumm.. okay.. aright, so I'm supposed to give up the pressure from my early down → just walk off and start setting up traps around the map while 1–2 survivors are already tailing me to immediately disarm them again? Meanwhile, the rest of the team gets tons of breathing room for free gen pressure. And then, as a slow M1 killer, my best option is to chase a full-health fresh hook target. And if someone actually steps into one of my traps by accident, guess what – there’s usually someone right there ready to bodyblock. So I’m now starting a completely new "duel" with a fresh survivor that brings me zero value, while the rest of the team feels zero pressure, because I’m off chasing someone who’s basically a reset. A fresh hook means nothing at this point.
But sure - ur a right – I could just throw all of that away and hope to pull something off in the endgame. It’s a gamble. A lot of teams can still be taken out in the endgame. But like... why would I rely on that? Then you’ve got people who argue the way you do: if I play soft during the early/midgame and then go hard and "dirty" in the endgame, suddenly that’s considered cheap too.(and like... if a 110% movement speed killer manages to get a 4K with 5 gens still up – no matter how accurate they are – I seriously have to wonder which side played that match poorly.)
This is all just one giant gamble that relies on survivors messing up. But I want my 4K — not a dice roll.
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This sort of "my 4k" entitlement is exactly why the game needs adjusting. Killers think they deserve to win. Survivors expect to die. So very balanced.
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Sure. The moment I queue up as killer, I want my 4K. That’s my role, that’s my job in that match.
Do I always get it? No.
But do people have a hard time the second I play straight for it from the start? Yup, they do.
Because in that moment, I am the killer — and my job is to make escaping as difficult as possible.by the way — I'm honestly surprised you immediately label me as a 'killer main who never plays survivor' just because I expressed my POV in a post that specifically focused on the killer role. That’s a bit narrow, don’t you think?And saying survivors have no way to fight back or 'cripple' the killer? C’mon. Fight back. Don’t hand me the tunnel for free. Make me work for it. You say survivors can't force a guaranteed loss on a killer? Have you seen the sheer amount of second-chance perks survivors have? And you can stack them.And killer being the easier role? Hell nah. Killer gets way harder the moment you face actually good teams. Is killer hard for me? No — because I know what I need to do. I suffocate the enemy team from the start, never let them breathe, and that’s how I win. And yipp, I win a lot.But despite that, I still don’t think killer is in a great state. Not because it’s ‘too weak’ overall — but because the design isn't healthy…
and.. . :
You talk about fair losses. Okay — then what about OTR? What about DS? Dead Hard? Background Player? Sabo squads? Unbreakable? Shoulde ofBurden? Yada yada. Insta-down lobbys into second-chance fiesta. Are those wins deserved?
Asked by someone who’s 100% a killer main and clearly never touches survivor. For sure.
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And IMHO, until someone becomes good at that new Killer, this MMR rubberbanding shouldn't exist. Every Killer should have its own MMR that doesn't affect the others, it's stupid you can't get weaker Survivors to learn on when you've never played a given Killer. It's not fun to be slapped around and you won't know what you do right or wrong if all you do is lose, you'll just get frustrated and go back to your mains.
Frankly the MMR bracket needs widening on both sides, it's too narrow. It also needs a reset since we'll be getting new MMR criteria soon anyway.
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and we can say the same thing about survivors. "Survivors think they deserve to escape, Killers expect to get no kills"
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