Sick of try hards

Play have the right to play the game however they like within the rules. You may find it offensive when people try too hard, but there are also people who find it offensive if you want to play too casual. Look at things from others’ points of view.

And then the reverse can be true, you play a killer you're unfamiliar with because you just brought them, and you're placed against a team playing like they're in a 10K tournament. Because you're not a fresh install, you get lucky and scrape by with a 1K, because they effed up. So you load into your next match to find that the MMR has decided, because you're so obviously new, it places you against real fresh installs who have no idea what they're doing and you feel bad because you don't want to go all out, so you just play a farming match.

Sounds like the first time I played Sadako, was just trying to figure out her teleporting and how her condemned mechanic worked. The team I was against loved doing Video City runs, so I hardly had TV's to teleport to, so the one kill I managed to get was because a survivor got cockey (or perhapse it was out of pity I have no idea lol) held onto their tape for far too long and I was able to condem kill them. Similar reaction to you, they were like high prestige with a P100 Kate, P69 Dwight (who I moried), P75 Ace and P95 Mikeala. My eyes were just O__O "how, did I get here?" Granted, I had been playing for over a year at that point, but I wasn't a regular DbD player (like once or twice a week at the time) and had been bouncing between Wraith and Trickster before I decided to try and play Sadako so two completely different playstyles and I still managed to get a 1K.

Then fast-forward to a couple of years to days ago (lol) and this crap still happens, I'm very new to Ghoul so therefore not every good. Have been practising in Customs just to get a feel for his power and the limitations. I take him into a live game for the first time, and I manage to get a 1K because the survivors, who were just better than me, messed up in the EGC. So then the next game, I got shoved in front of three very new "I just got out of the tutorial" survivors, and one survivor who was clearly teaching one, if not all three, how to play. I just *could not* bring myself to play normally at all because of how basic the mistakes they were making were. No joke, I didn't even bother using the Kagune outside of just patrolling around the map.

I had to turn the game off after that match because the MMR is just that screwy some nights.

I agree, be it killer or survivor, no one profits from an experienced players being put up against inexperienced players, be they fresh installs or only have a handful of hours in the game.

And what makes it worse is that it's such a prevalent issue throughout DbD that even the people in the top MMR braquets aren't immune. I watched a video from Otz, I think it was from a month or so ago where he had killers DC like three or four times in a row, and every time he'd check their profile, they'd have anywhere between 500-800 hours each. Like how is that fair, not only for a player like Otz, but for the killer player too? And Otz is one of those guys who can't turn off their brain or slow their muscle memory with the game, so he was just playing normally against someone who would have had no chance of catching Otz. So to the killer player, it looked like Otz was try-harding, when in reality their skill was nowhere near his.

So yeah, I think SBMM/MMR needs to be addressed before any more balancing can properly come to DbD. Like I get it's going ot be difficult as well due to servers, their locations and active hourse etc, but something needs to be done to stop newer players from being forced to face experienced players.

And speaking of MMR, I know it's already been addressed and this is much harder to do nowadays. But something also needs to be done to stop people from tanking their MMR so they can versus fresh installs or players with low hours. Just so they can get "clips for YouTube, TikTok and Twitter and show how I reked this killer in five gens." omitting that they're more than likely versing a new player or someone with only a handful of hours.

I really dislike MMR, but it's hard for me to really tell which system was worse. With grades, I remember getting matched with Iri 1 Nurses on more then one occasion back when I was only like rank 13 (along with the odd rank 20 that was way out of their element).

Ugh, I kinda miss the old emblem system sometimes. (<3!) Pre-MMR times, lobbies were way more mixed. Like, noticeably so. Back then, the standard advice for any killer problem was always, “If you’re having a hard time in the match, just chase someone else.” And honestly, that usually worked. Mixed lobbies meant there was almost always “someone else” — a survivor you could catch quickly and get a hook on, which created some real pressure.

Overall, matches were more relaxed, lasted longer, and felt way more varied than now, where both sides just try to grind out the most “efficient meta” possible. Yeah, a lot was heavily survivor-sided and boosted back then, but because survivors dictated a very different pace and even rank 1 lobbies were pretty mixed, you had more opportunities to play more “chill” and follow the “survivor rulebook.” You actually had the time for that.

But those days are gone. They’re not coming back. And even though it’d be “nice,” just bringing back the old system now would be a complete disaster. So much has changed. Killers have adapted. Survivors have adapted. The MMR system kicked off an arms race and pushed the game toward efficiency and new playstyles. People play how they play now, and I honestly think that’s burned in deep.

You just can’t bring something similar back.

Both sides would still squeeze the max efficiency out of every round. Survivors wouldn’t suddenly stop running the strongest perk synergies and speedrunning gens, and killers wouldn’t just stop camping or tunneling overnight. Those habits are too ingrained.

But idk, that’s just how I see it — maybe I’m wrong..

But..

Not trying to idealize the old system — because: I liked tryharding, the challenge, facing good players. I don’t want the mixed lobby ‘easy snack’ advantage or random pressure from "more chill" players. Sometimes I wish there was more ‘you had more time’ feel. But that era is gone and won’t come back.

Right now it’s all about building the strongest perk synergies to deny pressure and laser-focus gens against all the killer tools — less interaction, more speed, less chase focus.

Maps and resources limit how you can play, (I remember counting over 30 pallets on one of my maps back then, wild times xD )

so slowing down the game isn’t really possible anymore. That’s just how it is now

sometimes I wish I could go full tryhard and switch up my playstyle from how I usually run things

… i mean..

MMR’s tpday is still bad and u get hella mixed sometimes, but even in those mixed lobbies? Everyone knows it — max efficiency is how you win in this game

Y, thanks tes! this is such an important call, thanks for bringing it up. BHVR, please, we really need this. I can handle the toxicity that comes at me every day — I’m used to it. But I also know those people didn’t have a good time in my game either. Neither did I. I don’t want those kinds of lobbies.

Usually, when you play against people who go “all in,” you’ll still get a GGwp no matter what tricks you pull in the game. Most of the time.

It’s usually the casuals, newer players, or people who are overwhelmed — the kind of lobbies you probably shouldn’t even be in — that end up being toxic and mad in the worst ways. (Sure, there are also groups that stack everything to make your game miserable, but they still rage the moment the killer actually goes full force. Those people are just toxic by nature.)

But all this toxicity mainly comes from throwing so many people together who really don’t belong in the same pool.

And besides that — what’s the point of constantly balancing things back and forth? What’s it gonna do for you, BHVR? Why? How are you supposed to make balance decisions when a lot of killers, perks, whatever might only be “too strong” because those players are just totally overwhelmed in that match?

In my opinion, it would be so much more important to get a solid MMR system in place before you mess with balance stuff again. Before thinking about punishing the killer role even more with anti measures, or whether anti-slug or anti-tunnel stuff is really all that important.

Like, BHVR, please! Fix the matches first. I really think that’s the key, seriously.

Pretty much this, Otz brought this up in a recent video. Even if they made a comp and a casual mode, you'd end up with try-hards in casual mode, because some people jsut want to try hard no matter what.

Oh, I agree, those types of players will complain about the other, while unironically running full-meta and broken perks, items, killers. No was a comp mode would work in DbD, not with the way the "Us vs Them" tribalism is right now.