http://dbd.game/killswitch
The Hypocrisy In This Community Astounds Me
So I posted a thread with a video last night asking if people thought the apology was sincere or not, and if it was, could it be a turn for the better. Straying from the toxic, scummy, witch hunting ways, and getting others to follow suit.
Then the thread turned into a witch hunt itself. It just amazes me that people who talk so badly about certain people, will turn around and do the exact thing to them that is being looked down on in the first place.
Someone commented: "Let's go through his YT and see if we cant flag everything to get his vids taken down."
Really? I'm not defending him AT ALL, and understand if you dont believe him or wont trust what is said, but how do you guys see that as acceptable? Someone who may actually be trying to end his #########, and most people ignore it (I'm not saying I buy his apology, actions will speak soon), then go on to try and destroy that person who's supposedly making changes for the better with the exact tactics you all detested him for.
If hes really as worthless and hopeless as you say, let it happen. Why drag yourself to his level to try and prove it?
That is how the "toxic community" even existed. People trying to bring other toxic crap down with more toxicity. "Well if it's not bannable I'm gonna abuse it" "if they wont balance X Y Z I'll DC against it" "Haha look at the killer click click tbag" "hooks survivor, nods head for 10 mins".
Fighting fire with fire doesnt work here. It will only burn us all.
INB4 anything about the unnamed. Dont. This is about the community and their responses/actions, not any content creator. Their names should stay out of this discussion.
Edit: I get the feeling some of you think I wanted to start going through his videos. No. I came back to see 30 or so comments about that when I woke up.
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Dude you can't stand on a moral pillar like this when you're in effect being, a hypocrite yourself.
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How am I being a hypocrite?
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Although I don't specifically like the creator in question it is still not acceptable to go to their YT and try and flag down videos ect... You might not agree with him but by flagging his videos you are taking away his livelihood in a way because it is very possible that the content creator in question uses YT as his main job. Though Ik some people don't care about that do not try and ruin someone's life because they do something you don't like in a video game.
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70% of the dbd player base have a deranged pursuit to monitor and abuse bloody streamers and it bamboozles me. It boils over to often but we'll make it if you dance with me flip flop.
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Exactly. And that's my point. Even if someone is a terrible person, to go through their work and use witch hunt tactics against them is deplorable. You're taking money from someone (deserving or not) who is working for it simply because of their moral points.
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@AshleyWB I love you. ######### magnificent.
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Yeah, I can't stand this person either and don't buy his apologies but I still wouldn't try to ruin his job/hobby just because I don't like him.
DBD community is very hypocrite like you said, they will act toxic as hell just because it's "justified" in their mind and it's pretty mindboggling.
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I don't like the guy.. so this will be biased because we all are.
Being a big reason why there is so much toxicity in this community and then having the same toxicity turn back on you is kind of a poetic justice. Is it right? No, but it's going to happen.
Never mess with someone's livelihood... not good karma. Flagging videos for demonetization etc isn't cute. People should let BHVR deal with him.
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@Jesya oh I agree. Its irony at its finest. But I was more focused on the community lowering themselves to that point, more than the karmic justice or w/e it may be.
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@Carpemortum Hi there, I am one of the folks that participated in the whole movement to go after you know who. In fact I am that guy who mentioned video flagging in response to another user suggesting BHVR file to have his channel deleted.
I understand full well that going after him seems like hypocrisy and in certain ways it is. However the fact remains that the presence of the individual's channel remains a lurking threat.
This individual's channel is a tumor for toxicity and while we can hope that it won't spread recent uploads suggest that business will continue as usual there until we excise the tumor.
This person has been banned before on multiple occasions and all they do is shake it off, rally themselves around their audience and return. Therefore in order to make any progress towards cleansing Dead by Daylight of toxicity their sanctuary must be destroyed. It's very existence guarantees that they won't stop being a bad influence and that they won't stop encouraging and spreading toxicity throughout the community.
Since the former thread has been closed but not deleted you can examine my posts and see that I was not calling anyone save for my one correspondence to action (who was quite eager themselves). I merely examined policies that have already been put in place and checked to see if the individual in question had disobeyed said policies. I would like to state that while I said I'd personally help review content I didn't try summoning an army. I merely volunteered myself.
All of this being said, I must confess that I may have demonized my opponent too much. So since I haven't had a chance to do anything yet as I've been at college all day and since I've been reading the comments as they've been coming in and seen that finally excising this malignant tumor seems to go against what the majority wants I will refrain from reviewing the content and revoke my assistance from the task that was started by my correspondence.
However, I still believe that those who are wholly against him are in the right. I maintain that something must be done about the tumor but since the community demands that we wait until official action I will wait with them until such action is taken. I understand that you preferred that I leave the individual in question out of the discussion as much as possible, however I can't really explain my perspective without something to point at, so I hope "individual" was anonymous enough for you @Carpemortum .
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Because how else do you prove you a moral righteous individual other than attacking those you think are inferior?
There's a reason I don't like to talk about streamers on this forum.
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Regardless of what you may believe @Carpemortum there are some instances where action must be taken, for the greater good that is. And this case is as such. Now for hypocrisy, call it what you want however the "individual" would witch-hunt innocent players of the game or social media who merely expressed concerns or opinions on various matters.
This witch-hunt as you have put it, which I will admit, I'm for sure in favor of, being a participent albiet potentially the only will stand by the cause. Why? well because the one in question should not be allowed to operate the way he does, and atop this as established in your previous closed thread it was established that he does indeed break the code of conduct on youtube aswell as on DBD. So why should we stop? The allies didn't stop waging war on the Axis because it made them jobs, the stopped when the problem was dealt with.
Call it extremism in the community if you will, but I love DBD and I love the community, I myself often trying to find the balance between witty or humorous and helpfull, the tumor in which case is neither, but a plague which breeds toxicity, and toxicity only breeds more toxicity. So To reiterate, I wouldn't say I'm being a hypocrite, since I'm acting on purpose in defense of others and also in enforcing rules which he as a youtuber would need to abide by, especially if he was getting paid for his work. What he does cannot be allowed to continue if we want to see this game we both have in common grow.
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@AlphaJackson like when evidence is posted yet taken down under name shame rules even if it's a fog whisperer?
I agree he needs to get his ######### together, or be removed from the community.
But not by guerilla tactics. Let behavior deal with him or let him run out of fuel/excuses.
But naming, shaming, witch hunting, etc is scummy, and against the forum rules.
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@Carpemortum but that's the real problem with this scenario. The action won't be happening on the forum, it'll be confined to YouTube. I still won't do jack because I'd rather not listen to their voice over and over. However anyone else that decides to take action simply can't be stopped.
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I agree, but I expect nothing less from some DBD players. Again, he helped cultivate this community to be like this.. so it's fitting.
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@Carpemortum"naming and shaming ... and against forum rules"
was it not you who began the thread openly discussing him and his video which you should have known to go off rails, him being such a controvertial personality. Something isn't adding up here, also in said thread you said you would like to believe him, and that you would like to see him "promote less toxic behaviour" yet now you think he should get it together or be removed? Make up your mind, I'm detecting hypocrisy in you calling other hypocrites.
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Damn. Can you define the "toxic"? Because I'm watching his channel since over a year and all I see is a troll.
Half of this community should be locked in mental institution.
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@AlphaJackson I posted it to ask what people thought. I stated that IF he was actually changing, would it affect the community for the better.
As in, if he actually changes, would it change the people that follow him. Dont assume everything.
That doesnt make me wanting him to get his ######### together or be removed false.
I also said on my post that we shouldnt talk about the names, as it was against rules. I didnt post the video to stir controversy, but to hope that the community was turning around.
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@ModsAreFreeLaborLOL a video of a person apologizing was posted and discussed, but as the thread was closed, we shouldnt discuss it further.
This is about the community's hypocrisy and actions about something, not the video/thread in question.
@AlphaJackson as well. Let us not discuss a closed thread lest us be exactly what were talking about?
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@Carpemortum This community only cares about toxicity, especially when it comes to creating it, though for them it is okay to act like that because someone 'deserves' it. As true as it is people here are hypocrites, TBH I think you are expecting too much out of this community, sad as that is. I also think we expect too much of the devs, said as that is too.
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No, there is no hypocrisy. He dug his own hole through hate, racism and just pure toxicity in gaming. And now he's just desperately trying to claw out because he's most likely actually getting "unexpected" real world consequences because "it's just games, no one cares or will do anything".
The vitriol being tossed at him is well deserved and of his own making. I'm assuming you haven't watched more than maybe 2 min worth of his videos otherwise you wouldn't be white knighting him so hard. Or you're a buddy trying to help, but are instead making it much worse instead.
Even on the internet, there are consequences for your actions, even if it isn't the same as it would be IRL (because I promise you, if he talked the same way to people face to face, he'd have far less teeth). It's exponentially worse if you use your toxicity as "your thing". "This is awesome, I'm so well known, I'm gonna be a more of a prick!"
Sure, bask in being infamous for being an ######### online, but don't cry later when life catches up to you and the real world starts doling out due consequences for spreading hate, racism, toxicity, and harassment for literally years. It's common practice nowadays for institutions to check out a person's online activities for jobs, schooling, etc. to see the person's "true self". No matter how good your resume may be (which I'm 100% confident his is worthless anyways), a simple look at his online "personality" tells people "don't hire me, I'll cause uncomfortable environments for others".
I'd put dollars to cents that this is exactly what is happening to him, and I fully support it.
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@Sythalin I feel like nobody read all of the posts. I'm not defending him. He is due what he has earned, good or bad. My point was that the community is now doing exactly what they hated him for. And its absurd.
The community I'd getting the Harvey Dent syndrome. Becoming that which you fought to destroy.
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I still find it funny, I don't like the creator in question but then people try and ruin someone's life over a video game I don't like him you don't like him but perhaps that's what he wants hmm? You are only fueling the fire because of you he could be able to create a video claiming to be a victim and make everyone else look like the bad guy. His goal is to get under people's skin so just ignore him don't even view his videos just ignore him that's the best way to deal with not liking a creator you don't have to deal with him but instead you fuel the flames...
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On the topic of the video
It's easy to say sorry when the developper decided to permanently exile you of what is your cash cow.
I don't believe a single word out of his mouth.
And even if he was sincere, the "I know what it feel like to be bullied" make me lose all sympathie he could have win with his apologie.
Now for this topic
Really?
You seriously created a a thread because two forum user where talking about witch hunting his youtube video for harasment?
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@Carpemortum You say we are being hypocrites for merely trying to make the community better, the motives behind which I am under are indeed justified, and I'm sure many others would agree with my sentiment, call it a witch hunt, call it a service at the eend of the day, people are just trying to make the community better. Of course there are differant levels too, my case I'm for sure more extreme than others you would find. However, I'm not doing it of mal intent or purely to undermine a said personlity, but rather to stop him from breeding toxicity in DBD. I'll be honest, I'd rather not keep argueing as you seem to be a respectable person, but I will end with this, I will do what I feel to be right, regardless if the whole world stands against me; in reality I am selfish and will often mask my activitys under the guise of a particular movement, however I do what will benefit me, not others. In this respect going to the extreme is a way in which I can benefit by purging a part of the community which is a cause of problems. So yes I am selfish, yes I am a bad person, but call me whatever it doesn't matter, I will do what I feel needs to be done.
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