Can someone explain the reasoning behind the new abandon scenario?

I sort of understand the ability for survivors to leave once they’re in an unwinnable position, but I’ll never understand why they don’t allow killer the same thing. Just about every match I have at least 1 survivor if not every survivor left alive who will wait the entire EGC just to BM at the exit gate. No need for it. If survivors get to leave to avoid mori’s I should get to leave to avoid the BM at the gate. Once an exit gate is opened killer could get the same option survivors do, if I want to stay and play I can, if I’m just getting bullied and BM’d let me move on.

Yeah it makes no sense. It would be like allowing the killer to abandon if the gens were getting completed too fast. Oh two gens popped within 30 seconds of each other? Abandon. lol

so this is fine but the killer abandoning during egc is too unfair????

It’s probably because killers might purposely slug survivors that are on death hook, because they are afraid of the tunneling penalties.

Which means a survivor, that might have normally just gotten removed from the game, is now just getting repeatedly slugged because the killer doesn’t want massive penalties.

Anf they can Abandon which is good, the game needed that feature. Am I arguing against it?

I can see the logic if you consider a survivor getting downed again and again by a killer who decided this is all they'll do.

I don't know if this ever happened… but that is the logic I can see.

I've always been in favor of allowing killers to abandon in scenarios but be careful you can get perma banned for talking about it.

Yeah i found this ridiculous when i read it too. They're validating survivor frustrations far too much honestly. Gives them anti-slugging but in case that isn't enough they'll let them dc as well.

Its hard to put into words how ridiculous bhvr is being atm

It’s more likely that some killers will just get so frustrated at the situation, that they’ll slug the survivor, and just go somewhere else to find a different target.

typically i only see this brought up when asking for killers to be able to abandon after the gate is opened (which is a very easy to toggle state within the games code) 

Sure, but that's why I said there are three conditions.

Easy to code: Check

Virtually no chance of a comeback: No, killers securing kills after the gates are opened is not at all unusual

Not easy to circumvent: No check, they can just not open the gate

Let's look at another possibility, all survivors standing at the exit line:

Easy to code: Check

Virtually no chance of a comeback: Check

Not to easy to circumvent: No check, toxic survivors could just move slightly past the line and tbag there.

to be clear i dont side with adding an abandon feature for that

To be clear, I'd expand the abandon options on both sides. But I don't think the scenario people lay out for killers is anywhere close to one that can be drawn for survivors.

is there even a period where survivors have no chance of a comeback anymore BESIDES during the sacrifice animation?

It narrows the examples, but we're talking virtually no chance, not no chance.

If one survivor is dead and three are slugged, maybe one can get back up before the killer picks them all, and maybe they can reset, and maybe there is enough gen progress that you can finish the gens and open the gates.

It's extremely unlikely (which is a step up from virtually impossible). It's definitely more possible if the changes go live than it was before so we'll see if they reevaluate their stance on when the abandon option should come into play.

Not often but does happen. There's a subset of killers that just go into a match looking to grief survivors. Kind of like the survivors that go in just wanting to grief killer with unhook builds or when they would do the side by side locker blinds. I've had the killer stand over my body beginning/mid match and if anyone picked me up they would immediately knock me down. Most annoying time was when I was playing solo, after I managed to pick up/unhook my team that had all gone down (no idea how because I was across the map). We reset but then the killer decided to farm with them and just keep knocking me down until I finally held the run button to stop them from being able to heal me and stop the bleed out timer.

you're asking why killer cant abandon and i responded

Sure, but that isn't how BHVR has had the abandon option. We could give the survivors the abandon option the moment a single survivor dies, however it doesn't mean they have to use it.

The argument has been that because the survivors have an abandon option, killers should have an abandon option in an equivalent scenario, however there is no equivalent scenario.

To be fair, it could probably be easily circumvented: Once the exit gates are powered, give each survivor a buildup meter. Have actions like standing in/around the exit gates build up the meter (at different rates depending on factors like distance and whether it is open, of course) and have the meter be affected by other actions like 99%ed exit gates also slowly build the meter as well. Once it procs, some combination of gate blocking/exposed/hindered/Killer Instinct/whatever debuff(s) would essentially secure they get punished for letting it build up for its full duration. How much/little visibility is provided to the survivor themselves could be adjusted in relation to how harsh the buildups are.

Tension gets added to survivors weighing staying for a save vs leaving, survivors who are actively seeking the exit or being chased to an open exit are unaffected, people who leave promptly are unaffected, only people who hang around and refuse their opportunity to leave get punished. All by creating a simple "scoring" system while adjusting and monitoring the growth rates for different methods of circumvention. And since it would be tracked specifically on a per survivor basis, it would be easy to have up to 4 instances running concurrently without having to worry about variables like which killer is present.

My only concern would be how badly a system like that could be fumbled.

That said, I think the best solution is for neither side to have the option after the anti slug changes get ironed out. For every "survivor whack a mole hostage" scenario, there will be plenty of ones where people will be able to use it to just go next if 2 slugs is really enough to trigger it. A better solution would just be to make that type of slugging reportable under hostage taking, especially since the server should theoretically have plenty of timestamp evidence to corroborate reports. The anti-slug and tunnel changes do a lot to the arguments for why it was so forgiving for survivors, so the arguments will need to be restructured around where they land.