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Tunnelling every game since DBD deemed it not a problem.
games are awful lately since they decided that being tunnelled didn't need a nerf in the PTB. Its so great being BM'd 3 games in a row and receiving horrible toxic chat from killers at the end basically laughing in our faces because we where helpless against the tunnel. Something needs done sooner than later because killer queue is about to get even longer.
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only 3 games in a row being BM'd? try playing killer, you get BM'd a hell of a lot more than that lmao
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Who said tunneling wasn't a problem? They delayed the chnages cus they were too extreme and punishing for killers.
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Can always try to get better at looping and hope the others are slamming gens or it's a macro fail on the survivor team. Almost forgot survivors be getting even more pallets to work with next update.
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They know this. People around here are just intentionally misconstruing the situation to play into a victim narrative.
The developers were very clear that the systems will be returning after being tweaked. People are intentionally ignoring that because it doesn't fit their agenda. And it's painfully obvious because no one will comment on it further than issuing downvotes to anyone who points it out.
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And still not a single word from the community mods, huh...
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Most of this post is just whining about BM something the other side can do too.
Just because you had a bad experience does not mean that its the standard and that we need to upend the game because of your feelings.
I know that the role is called survivor but that does not always mean you need to play the victim.
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This is just objectively wrong. Your claim is just further proof for you and others like you with having the inability to adapt and learn.
This patch was a change the fundamentals to the core gameplay. The devs have deemed hard(out the gate, at 4-5 gens)- tunneling as being something they don't agree with and furthermore goes against what I believe is their intended meaning of what they actually approve for tunneling/slugging/camping.
I don't know if you were here for the 6.1 patch, but the survivors were given no grace. All the proposed changes were pushed through; it was basically a survivor nerf and killer buff, which affected the core function of the game.
I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings and makes you feel like your agency (new buzzword) is being taken away, but unfortunately, is should've never gotten to this point in the first place. Recently, as a survivor main, I've been playing killer, specifically as Billy, and what I found was:
- Breezing through a match, playing super chill, and being able to get a 4k
- How I was basically in control of whether or not the survivors were allowed to win or not
- messing around/intentionally throwing chases because it was more fun to play non-sweaty because I know what it feels like on the other side.
I was hit with flashlights, t-bagging, super hard chases where I was outplayed, but not once did I feel the urge to make someone else's experience miserable.
I don't know if it's an ego thing, but winning every single game (3-4ks) is not intended. Sure, later when you rank up, it becomes super competitive and that's fine, people are allowed to play like that.
But, you have to understand that if you're hard slugging and tunneling, you're eventually going to be matched against those 4-person swfs and ultra coordinated solo queue teams that are going to devour you, because they know how to play against hard slugging and tunneling.
If you don't agree, then I challenge you; dedicate 2-3 days as playing survivor. Play as good as you can, then come back and let us know your experience.
Your name literally implies that you play sweaty, so it's only assumed that you're part of the hard tunneling/slugging/camping issue.
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It is annoying but these people don't seem to understand the changes are not there YET but ultimately they will be there, in some form or another.
The worse the problem is, the more severe the actions BHVR will be forced to take.
Certain content creators etc who are encouraging this are ultimately doing a disservice to the killers who think this is a smart way to play. Best to do all you can to learn to not tunnel as your only method to get wins, or you're going to have a real hard time when changes inevitably go to live matches.
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People are intentionally ignoring that because it doesn't fit their agenda.
Some people are AWARE that there is koolaid there. They're just choosing not to drink it as much as some.
but, no, the next attempt won't receive ANY pushback from killers, i'm sure it'll be all sunshine and rainbows, sure, they won't just cry and get their way a SECOND time, no, i've never heard the expression "fool me once" why do you ask?
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Man can you mouth foam any harder at the prospect of killers killing. With this comment on a post about perks only being nurfed for "one side" ignoring the nurfs for the other.
Seems to me you just have some tribalistic view that wants to make the other side worse because you have had a bad experience.
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💯 this ^
Not only that but people have made the assumption that BHVR has “scrapped and cancelled ALL changes” when in fact that is not what they said but again. They want it to fit their agenda just as you said.
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Uhh, is this supposed to be some sort of gotcha? I still stand by what I said. While it's not on topic, I still wanna hear your reasoning and counter-argument.
Also, if I had a tribalistic view, I'd be a dye-hard martyr for the survivor role. While I do enjoy playing the mouse more often, I still love the cat.
If anything, it further proves my earlier point, within the thread.
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they say this was too punishing for the killers but yet the survivors supposed to suck it up and deal with trash killers that do nothing but tunnel or camp this is why dead by daylight is just going down the drain
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All this proves is your instability even going on to talk about "buzzwords" like agency a real term used a lot in ASYM discussions or game balancing/development as a whole.
Then going on about being a "Martyr" like you didn't just drink the kool-aid you chugged the whole punch bowl. This isn't politics, its a game yet you speak like you hate killers with a passion and have some agenda for it.
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Instability of what?
Words, even used properly, can still be buzzwords. What I mean is that these terms are being used in almost every post, until it dies out again.
Are you not fully reading my posts? I never said I was being a martyr.
Also, if I had a tribalistic view, I'd be a dye-hard martyr for the survivor role. While I do enjoy playing the mouse more often, I still love the cat.You say this game isn't politics, yet I feel like we all argue and debate like it is. It may not be political, in the government sense, but it sure as hell is political in its own right.
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When you take it to a political level everyone loses. No one wants to stand behind an extremist of either side as when the dust clears you wont like what remains.
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hmm it’s hard to loop when I can’t get any space as they wait out borrowed time. More pallets will help. Doesn’t help if I get cold wind with 8 pallet spawns.
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You do realise, I know that the change will come. I’m basically just referring to what killers have said to me in end game chat. It’s there reasoning to tunnel.
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Survivor mains always complain about tunneling. Even if did not tunnel, they tell me I did.
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You don't know when it is either "returning later" could mean anything, especially from bhvr later could be 2028… i'll believe it when i see it, that tweet is just words
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The developers were very clear that the systems will be returning after being tweaked.
Like the skull merchant rework, you mean?
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- I can confirm from my limited experience… tunneling is literally out of control. I recommend everyone use OTR or DS during this time. I don't know what's going on.🤣if someone can explain it to me, maybe a very knowledgeable player or a moderator
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and the AFK crows
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also I’m not necessarily talking about myself being tunneled, it’s randoms in my lobbies, I can help them as much as possible. Take hits get flashlight saves etc. but inevitably if resources are gone they are gona die.
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its because killers know survivors still dont know how to counter tunneling. killers can pretty much rely on survivors making mistake after mistake, going for early saves instead of doing gens. when survivors play well tunneling really isnt effective. i have been tunneled (not as much as some people apparently) but when im tunneled and my team plays well it doesnt pay off for the killer. it just so happens its rare i get a good team and im stuck with people that refuse to touch gens and play poorly which means tunneling does pay off for the killer
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- You're right, but what kind of skill is tunnel hard with a Blight, Nurse, or Kaneki? If you're on Haddonfield or Rancid Abattoir... where exactly is the skill? I don't know, maybe I have a different concept of skill than 99% of DBD players.🤣
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I don’t think everyone is trying to construct a victim narrative, I think people are just upset. In the same way people were upset about these changes possibly coming to live. And while yes, thankfully they did say they plan on tweaking the changes and that it isn’t totally scrapped, it doesn’t mean that those changes will come in a decent timeframe (like SM) or that the changes won’t be poorly received.
I think a big fear is that the tweaks will go into the opposite direction, where the original was too strong so the addition will be way too weak, a common trend that we’ve seen when changes come to past perks, maps, or killer reworks, even as recent as Fog Vials. Especially when there is a part of the player base that doesn’t want any changes at all because they don’t agree that these are even issues. But tunneling has been possibly the #1 pain point for survivor role since the game came out like 9 years ago. I don’t think it’s unreasonable for people to be disappointed that it’s been pushed back— again. I understand you may feel differently, and that’s okay, but thought I would actively engage in your post as it seems to be annoying you that some people aren’t (which is totally valid).
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That's true and agree with the political statement. But, what happens when power is abused, how do we change it? Because right now the pendulum is swayed too far the one side. It's meant to lean a little more on the killer side, but not this much.
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true, doesnt take much skill but then neither does doing gens pressing a button. if skill was a requirement to win then all survivors should be forced into 1 v 1 in a duel situation with the killer show their skill lol. Many of my matches im the only one doing gens. if the killer has a hard time with the other survivors and i dont get chased at all im not showing any skill by sitting on a gen pressing the odd button now and then doing my objective. i dont think im less deserving of an escape because i didnt show skill while doing gens. same as the killers, they are not less deserving of a win because they show no skill by tunneling imo. works both ways
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The devs said tunneling is fine, so you can't blame players for playing to win.
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That's a gross over-simplification.
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The devs also said 'we wanna introduce some changes to reduce tunnelling'.
Community input is not a one-way street.
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if you were helpless against the tunnel is that not an issue of improper teamwork. Objectivelly at least 2 gens should get done before your first unook if they donmt insta unhook you. Then another 1 or two acter your second hook . Alot of the tunneling issues are survivors who don't focus on gens and unhook to quicklly.
perks that could help are babysitter, shoulder the burden w vigil , otr and DS. Tough with proper teamwork i find it easy to punish tunneling-5 -
Hay No Mither player here. How do you get tunneled and then BM'd did you die the first 3 mins then stay for the whole match to then talk to people in end game chat ?
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two things:
- Its constant tunneling. i refuse to play survivor now that 2v8 is gone. There is a reason why bp bonus is only ever for survivor
2. yall gotta stop saying "objectively" with your opinions. Hyperbole is already a problem, don't ruin this word too.
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Haha wow, you just don't quit, do you? Of course I'm a little bias, and I'm willing to admit it. But in all honesty can you say the same about yourself? Everyone is a little bias in the role they main. And if you stand there and tell me you're not, you're just lying to yourself.
Like, I didn't reply above when you said I was "massively survivor biased" because it wasn't worth the effort. You're holding yourself to a higher degree when clearly you don't see your own hypocrisy.
I've already stated my position in this, here and in other threads. If you can't stand to reason or even try to see the opposing side's POV then I don't know what to tell you.
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How dare you sir!!! telling survivors to practice good looping and exposing them getting more pallets. For shame, FOR SHAME!!!
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I don't "main" either roles, I play them evenly AND I solo queue like half the time I play surv. As to when it comes to my non existent biases, I stand up for the little guy, which at the moment happens to be killers. I care about nothing but balance for DBD, I'm literally trying to join the balance team once I'm done school. You're crazy if you thought that update was balanced, of course I'm not gonna tell you what I and others have told other survivor players already, its getting tiring.
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The "make use of obnoxious thing before it gets nerfed" mentality of the DBD playerbase is always something that kinda dumbfounded me. Always struck me as a "let's make doubly sure we prove the point"... like when map offerings were being changed.
Like yeah, I was staunch against most of the changes in the PTB and would like a much more nuanced and measured approach, but switching to hard tunneling now is almost like going "Oh you don't wanna make these changes!? Well I'm gonna show you why you should!"
Then it escalates, and instead of said measured approach, we go back to the sledgehammer... sometimes feels the DBD community is it's own worst enemy. 🙃
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I'd take it you weren't tunneled before the PTB and the whole problem the PTB was going to solve didn't exist.
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While true that tunneling has been (and likely will continue to be) the #1 pain point for survivors, it wasn't always as prevalent as it is today. I remember back in around 2019/2020, when I was hovering around the red ranks for most of the time, I rarely saw tunneling. Maybe a few instances in maybe 1/15 games or so, but not as much as it is today, where you see it in at least 50% of the games you play.
It got worse after 6.7.2 when healing got nerfed, since killers could now abuse the fact that healing was MUCH slower, and it was also a side-product of the gen-kick limit being put into place, thanks to some very unfun strategies, involving a certain Chess Merchant.
Also, the finisher mori certainly didn't help the cause either, since now, the killers often tunnel out two people as fast as possible, goes for the third one, to get them hooked, after slugging the fourth survivor, while humping them as they wait for the sacrifice. - I have seen this too much lately in my games, especially by killers like Ghoul and Blight, but also instadown killers like Bubba is very prone to use this tactic. And this trend has increased a lot lately, since the PTB details became known.5 -
I'm literally trying to join the balance team once I'm done school.
Mandy confirmed that there isn't a "balance team" at BHVR, so that statement is actually not true.
And no, the killer is not "the little guy" anymore, as we can clearly see from the general state of the game at the moment. I am pretty sure there wouldn't be a survivor uproar if the game was actually balanced in a more fair manner for both sides. A manner that didn't promote excessive BM8 -
See I just don't believe you. And honestly, you're not fooling anyone. Even the devs have their preferred roles and bias', the only difference is they don't let it affect their work.
By no means are killers the little guys. They are literally the power role, they literally over-power survivors. I'm happy for you and your journey of schooling, but I hope you sit and learn about core principals and interactive gameplay.
I don't think it's clicking, the patch is literally changing core gameplay, meaning they're trying to make tunneling only a small part, only-necessary, part of gameplay.
It's balanced in the bigger picture, not the bias mind of one-side.
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It's ultimately a leap of faith for whether players can believe if the changes will come back and if they do if they'll be in a better state or not. Fatigue dictates a lot of that, so I can't blame people for being doom and gloom about it. Being told that Survivors are overpowered while they're getting tunneled out in the majority of their trials does not help the problem, surprisingly.
All I can suggest is that you limit your play time for now. Don't get so invested that you get stressed out.
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“I stand up for the little guy, which at the moment happens to be killers. ”
The role that wins most of the matches?
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Its case and point lol. You said basic facts but get downvotes mysteriously. I still have yet to see a survivor provide a good argument to the original proposed system being in place other than the "just don't try to win" argument.
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Honestly, just don't play survivor. I can't begin to tell you how less frustrating this game is for me since I stopped playing survivor. I save up the survivor specific quests and just knock them out asap every few weeks.
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This. Its obviously an issue. But how to change it without punishment for the killer is the hard part. For health reasons theres needs to be balance so its a win win on both sides. We're heading in the right direction but I agree that those changes were a bit to harsh.
Im glad its being looked at tho. This is good news
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I've played about 50 games the last few days and I'd say I only got tunneled maybe twice. Tunnelling is not a huge problem like people are trying to say. Also I've noticed what people call "tunnelling" Is not actually a tunnel. I see a survivor get off hook then hook someone and then directly go after that person that got off hook 30 sec later. That's not tunneling, that's called bad positioning. Or when you get pulled off a hook and heal under hook and killer already just hooked someone. Of course they are gonna check hook because that's the most recent info they have, and of course they are going after the one that is injured. That's not a tunnel because you decide to stay under hook. I used to be a killer main back in the day, I'm more 70/30 survivor these days. You don't know how many dumb randoms I got that I see get themselves killed and then blame the killer for tunnel when it actually wasn't. Half the community don't even know what a tunnel is these days and just yell it out every game.
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But how to change it without punishment for the killer is the hard part.
That is not going to work. Tunnelling has such a massively skewed effort/reward ratio that the only way to meaningfully disincentivise it without creating a new balance disaster is through punishment.
I honestly really liked the idea of the repair speed boost, counterweighed with unique hook buffs. It'd at least threaten tunnelling's dominance without impacting non-tunnelers.
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