So we've buffed DS...

Not really a buff, use enduring. Besides DS is so bad nobody is going to use it anyway

@Sharmarko

Considering almost no survivors want to be chased by killers they just unhook and leave the unhooker unprotected and running away, leaving scratchmarks that lead to them...

There is nothing wrong with proxy camping, i make saves during that all the time.

@MegsAreEvil I want to know if the perk actually affected it more than before, which it does, you get time to run away from the killer after using it, Enduring or not

No that's not efficient because you're not applying any pressure, you've still got 3 ppl not injured and thus not worried. That person that's injured will most likely go off to heal or be healed.

If you're a good or great killer you go after the rescuer now congrats you've only got 1 possibly 2 doing gens.

This.

It definitely sucks to be on the receiving end of endgame Adren/DS/BT builds, but yeah, it feels super evil to run it >:3

It's a talent ;3

What's the meta at this exact moment, pray tell?

I'm more than happy to be wrong in this case.

As an aside, I enjoyed your reaction to your angrypug disconnect, my histrionic brother.

:3

I don't follow any Twitch DBD Streamers, unless you count the Dev streams.

I'd just make it inactive (eats the whole timer) outside the gates.

edit - @not_Queen Can we get the old quoting system back?

That's your opinion because to others that infers killers are saints all the time and don't tunnel, so my point is still valid.

You're joking right, you say yours isn't an opinion than say mine is, how is that any different than what he said not being an opinion? What you're saying is there's nothing in what he said that wasn't an opinion in any way shape or form?

He left out all the times killers tunnel right after a completely safe unhook or a BT unhook and simply tunnel the person till they go down. But of course it's always survivors doing unsafe unhooks not killers doing something wrong.

Also you're saying I'm projecting but isn't that what he just did as well, he lumped all survivors into that category then said the definition keeps changing. That's his projection of what he feels aka HIS opinion.

Now you see why I say double standard, you say one thing while ignoring someone else doing the exact same thing in the very post.

If we really want to get technical then everything said on here is an opinion and a projection of what we think others are saying.

"how is that any different than what he said not being an opinion?"

Because one is true and the other is not.

"What you're saying is there's nothing in what he said that wasn't an opinion in any way shape or form?"

The only statement he said is..

"The definition of tunneling has become so broad."

This is a true statement. Lot's of people consider things tunneling these days that is not.

"He left out all the times killers tunnel right after a completely safe unhook or a BT unhook and simply tunnel the person till they go down. But of course it's always survivors doing unsafe unhooks not killers doing something wrong."

This is you using a straw man argument. This is NOT what he said, at all. He did not blame survivors for EVERY situation. He simply mentioned that there were situations. You are conflating what he actually said.

"Also you're saying I'm projecting but isn't that what he just did as well, he lumped all survivors into that category then said the definition keeps changing."

This is incorrect. He did not lump ALL survivors. That was you conflating what was actually said. He simply said that a lot of "tunneling" situations aren't actually tunneling. This isn't ALL and this isn't EVERY. It's simply a lot. Those are very different things as a lot is NOT lumping all survivors in a category because he did not include them all.

"Now you see why I say double standard, you say one thing while ignoring someone else doing the exact same thing in the very post."

You say double standard because you are misenterpreting what someoone said into what you think they said.

Fine, they changed it, but what happened to letting the community try adjusting before quick changes? We had barely any time with the new version.

You obviously don't realize that Enduring made DS absolutely f*cking useless before this patch. The killer simply had to turn and smack after DS was triggered.

@Tzeentchling9

I don't think anyone wanted something that made it a waste of a perk slot. DS is already terribly situational. You need to be hooked first, and you need to be caught again within 60 seconds after being unhooked, AND you need to hit a skill check in order to use it. Then, on top of all of that, Enduring completely negated the stun.

Why people complain, they nerfed ds into completely useless, and even more useless for enduring, so they have to re buff it, the stun is the same as before, but now it's very situational enough, all you need is just simply not tunnel, it's not that hard, it's not like you guys dont have meta perk like bbq to find people anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

mostly main survivor, occasionally killer here: I play nurse...with long range addons, the only rare cases in which I think tunneling can be acceptable is to teach a lesson and, for me, there are 2 main situations:

1_ mr smartypants unsafe unhook while you were just leaving (average distance 3 meters from the hook) in that case I might down again the hooked survivor, at endgame I explain that you don't unhook people right in front of the killer, and to blame their trolling squad. trolling unhooks are a plain invite to down him again and stupid survivors have to learn to play good for the benefit of the entire match both killer and survivor side.

2_mr manchild mc.streamerfan: has 200 hrs, has seen a couple of noob3 or orchid's videos and think of himself as a jukemeister devour of pussies. he enters the game pewpewing you at every occasion, usually he dc after the first single blink double hit at the beginning of the match.

beside this, I usually try hard to fina a survivor early game, hook him and I leave to look for th others, rarely had complains

I feel like the only people that complain are also people who tunnel every match. Survivors never got to use DS against me yesterday, even though I was playing killer for 6 hours and in every match there was at least one person with DS. In 2.6.0 the stun was actually a joke and I didn't feel like I got punished for tunneling, especially when I had Enduring, because I could get a free hit 2 seconds later. Now you can actually feel like the perk does something.

If you really want to down the same person again, leave them on the ground for a couple of seconds to make sure they don't D-Strike you, but I think you should go after someone else anyway. This is why the perk exists in its current form. It should give you another chance if the killer decides to tunnel you. If you're the killer, it's up to you if you let them use it. I have 4500 hours on record and the perk is fine. I almost never see it being successfully used, but when you get to use it, it actually gives you something now.