Slugging-Tunnelling update should of never been cancelled...
Complaints about buffs to survivors during a match etc… could of been removed from the official release.
The concept of protecting a Survivor from being tunneled out was a great addition.
Having the ability to pick yourself back up after being downed has been desired for years. Due to how common slugging was.
I kept hearing how, "Oh but survivors will find this boring." or "This isn't fun for Killers!"
Meanwhile those same killers-streamers went on to win the match with ~3 gens left. How did they win? Simply by slugging-and-tunneling… It simply took them longer to win. The system didn't fix the problem. I don't believe you could ever "fix" slugging or tunneling due to how the game plays. Although, it added a much needed cushion that gave Survivors an opportunity to still participate in the match.
The concept that the game is "boring" for Survivors if they can pick themselves up… Is the most brain-rot thing I have ever heard. For years Survivors have been complaining that being left on the ground to bleed out is "boring" not the other way around.
I simply do not understand why a Killer (Krasue) was not only buffed upon release but one of her only weaknesses was quite literally removed. I've played the killer. I tried head form only, body form only and both. I tried perks + no perks combinations. I like to challenge myself on killer so I'll bring no perks and just use the killers power. I was able to easily win matches in both head form and body form respectively. My favourite was the body form. It felt more like the unknown and honestly felt more fun and fair compared to head form. In head form it felt cheap. I could easily close the gap and honestly getting 4-5 hits was far to easy. Then when you combine both head and body forms… the killer is practically unstoppable. I truly believe you have to really go out of your way to lose a match cause she is that strong.
I do not understand how the slugging-tunneling update doesn't get nerfed a bit but instead completely cancelled for this update and who knows now if it will ever make it to the live servers.
There is no need for speed boosts to gens etc… Even the tunneling system can be easily lived without. Although the slugging system is the biggest culprit. Just making unbreakable basekit is needed.
If killers hook than the slugging system would literally be useless but that is what-is-needed. The slugging updated shouldn't be about oh here's a counter to slugging but a safe guard to encourage Killers to actually hook Survivors.
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Prior to this recent PTB + Update… Slugging was common but normally I saw it towards the end of a match. Although after this recent update I've noticed that nearly every match has become slugging from start to finish.
The other day I wish I took screenshots of it but had a trickster who quite literally downed everyone before we could even geta gen done by slugging. He downed a survivor, used power to down another, rinse and repeat. This man constantly kept proccing his power and it was impossible to even do anything about it.
In this match, from the start Huntress-player slugged a bit early on but mainly went after two survivors. The player refused to go after myself or the other with no hooks even if we were right in the open. Being ignored the killer would rather go all the way across the other side of the map just to go after the other survivor who was just unhooked.
Before a single gen was done they already had 3 hook states. Not to mention she instead of hooking the other survivor preferred to keep one survivor downed, the other hooked and she only hooked the other survivor once the prior was basically dead on hook. Proxy camping was major as well.
Just feels like after this recent update and the cancellation of… It clearly has resulted in Killers slugging more. I am having back-to-back games of seeing evidence of this.
I know that the update was cancelled but I truly hope BHVR if you see this. There is no need for the buffs or even the tunnelling features. Simply the anti-slugging. I hope y'all put it in the next PTB and actually push it to live servers next time. If you can release a Killer that was already strong in a PTB and buff her, removing her only weakness… Then surely there was no reason to cancel the update.
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It absolutely should've. Those changes were not fair
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Just looking forward to the next PTB right now.
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The concept of protecting a Survivor from being tunneled out was a great addition.
Keyword being concept. The PTB absolutely shouldnt have gone live. The PTB very much had game killing potential, anyone not biased knows that, it fundamentally broke, gutted and limited killer gameplay far beyond the scope of a QoL update. It was fundamentally flawed and filled with horribly thought out and implimented ideas.
It was just 'Gut every none S tier killer: The patch'. The compensation in no way made up for the lost strategy and agency of killers and survivors were in no way fairly counter balanced with any of this in mind. And of course in typical fashion killers were doubled punished with nerfs and survivors weaponising the mechanics against them. (To no ones surprised except BHVRs apparently).
It was clearly a knee-jerk reaction patch to stem all the survivor whining and not a patch made for the overall health of the game treating both sides equally.
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By that logic, Krasue shouldn't of been released either.
"anyone not biased knows that"
-someone who clearly doesn't "know that"
Genuinely, saying the idea was "game-breaking" is ridiculous when I constantly watched killer-streamers slugging and tunnelling regardless of the system. Still able to secure a win at an average of ~3 gens left. I will agree there were unnecessary buffs and they could of and in my opinion should of been removed on live release.
I love how people like you will say, anyone with no bias, essentially common sense knows. They know it's unfair and they know that it "limited killer gameplay far beyond the scope of QoL…" Yet you provide zero evidence. Not even an example. Just well it is bad cause I said so. Pretty much nullifies anything you have to say.
Regardless, you want to talk about fair live releases? Hmmm, anti-loop killers being released, maps shrinking to encourage chases, aura so stealth is dead and many more changes all to encourage more chases, more hooks, faster matches. Killers even got some revamps (for better or worse) and buffs along the way making them faster. So many updates that nullified Survivor mechanics. It's been clear that BHVR has been going above and beyond to ruin looping. There was that point not that long ago where it became this push 'w' meta cause anti-looping was so strong at the time it essentially turned matches into this hold 'w' until downed boring gameplay loop.
The icing on the cake is how many Killers are released in a powerful state in recent years only to be later nerfed. Such as how the Krasue an already solid A tier for some reason got buffs!? For someone who is all "anyone not biased knows…" I would assume you "know that" Krasue being released like that is not balanced or fair and is "game-breaking"
Matter of fact to use your words in regards to Krasue, "it fundamentally broke, gutted and limited" Survivor-gameplay. Food for thought.
No offence, but as a person who very much enjoys philosophy and makes it a mission to approach scenarios with the "least" amount of bias. I am hard pressed to say you are extremely biased.
The update could of easily been nerfed a bit and removed gen boosts etc... The anti-tunnelling off hook was fine. Once in live servers it could of been nerfed further similar to how killers are. Picking yourself off the ground was good. It literally does not as you say break or gut the experience (paraphrasing). It just ensures killers hook a survivor instead of slugging. Although it has been proven time and time again throughout the PTB that slugging still can get you the win; it just takes a bit longer.
In fact for someone talking about Survivors whinning, Majority of posts on the forum is by killers. Do with that what you will. Although Survivors have had to deal with being rushed out of a match over and over again. It's not fun. So ya after years of putting up with that. I think it's healthier overall for the game to apply an anti-tunneling system.
I'll go a step further actually. Many new players leave due to how the mmr system works. It's clear that you'll on average of 1-2 newer players on your team. So when killers look for the "weak-link" they are essentially ruining the experience for newer players and turning away potential long term players. I don't blame them for being frustrated. It's a challenging to play Survivor let alone play it solo.
I know my reasoning is sound and founded in logic and anyone with a brain cell can see that this update getting cancelled was unfair. Especially given the release state of Krasue. Your literal argument is anyone who isn't bias knows… That the update would of essentially broken or gutted the killer experience. Which essentially means most killers abuse slugging/tunneling; Which is the very damn reason it was going to be implemented.
So either your logic is sound and that means you by extent agree that Krasue should not of been released -OR- you don't agree and believe Krasue being released was sound in logic and completely fine which contradicts your logic on the slugging/tunneling update. Meaning you are being biased. Meaning "anyone not biased —" does not extent to even you.What this means is either your logic is sound and you agree that you are wrong or you disagree with your logic and basically created a self defeating argument…
Also, I don't think Killers should be punished but I've played both sides and I was around when gen rushing was a thing(new part era). I remember buying Legion when it first came out and loving the killer. Only for me to hear POP-POP-POP… I quit the game shortly after that but upon returning I tried to get back into killer but the roles have started to reverse. Now Killer is becoming too easy. I switched to survivor because I enjoy a challenge in my games but Killer is being pampered so hard these days and I hate it. I don't feel like the win is earned. It just feels cheap. Most times I play Killer it's to have fun and take a break. I used to M1 only skull merchant cause I enjoy her mori and I still won most of my matches.
So I want balance. Believe me the only reason I don't main killer is because it's not satisfying, it's too easy. I relish the SWF and skilled Survivors in my matches. Unlike many who complain I love it when a Survivor gets the blind and I compliment it. Cause I know from playing Survivor side that it takes more skill to play Survivor than killer. So when I get a Survivor that is good at looping. I will take chase for the whole game if that's what it takes to get them. Cause that chase is 1000% more fun than getting an easy down on a less experienced survivor.
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You can read my response to the guy above if necessary.
What was not fair? I agree the gen boost stuff and the slight boosts were not fair and I even say that I believe they should be removed.
Although tell me that they couldn't be removed upon live release. Explain to me how Krasue can get tweaks that remove her one and only weakness essentially. Even going as far as to buff her, pushing her to top 3 killers in all of DBD now. Yet they couldn't just remove the 10% boost to gens etc… and keep the slugging mechanic and anti tunnelling stuff?
Even if you wanted to argue that well I don't agree with anti-tunnelling and believe that it doesn't ruin the new player experience…
You are telling me that they couldn't of removed the anti-tunnelling, those buffs to gens etc… and simply kept the anti-slugging mechanic? Oh they pick themselves up too quickly… So it would be hard for BHVR to simply change a few numbers is what you are saying?
OHHH but forgive me. It's totally fair to release Krasue right? I mean she essentially is impossible to counter, quite literally has no weakness. You have to go out of your way to lose a match with her pretty much. Although releasing her is fair right???
I don't understand this logic, If you think something should be cancelled because it's unfair okay than apply that same logic to killer side as well.
Just like the other guy, It's not fair essentially. So let's go through that logic, it's not fair so cancel it. It breaks the game for one side, it's not fair cancel it…
Using your perception and logic:
anti-slugging + anti-tunneling systems = unfair for killer sideWhy? It breaks or guts the gameplay loop for Killers. It prevents the Killer from… I would add something here but y'all give no evidence to support your claim so ya know.
—Thus we must cancel this update.
Krasue (A-tier) + buffs on release, now: S-tier + top 3 killer = Unfair for Survivor side
Why? It breaks or guts the gameplay loop for Survivors. Krasue has zero weaknesses resulting in unfair chases.
—Thus we must cancel this update.
If we took your logic at face value and unbiased. By your logic my guy. Cause it's evident enough that Krasue was and is an unfair release so. Again like I said to the other guy your argument is either:
I agree with this logic so that means Krasue should not of been released as well -OR- you disagree with krasue being cancelled which means you contradict your own logic. Either way your argument is a self defeating one.Post edited by Sow on-1 -
Me too, I hope they release something. Even if it's just the anti-slugging part. I'll be happy with just that.
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