Why doesn't Killer get to abandon?

when the killer disconnects the match ends right there… perhaps that it is too toxic of the killer to abandon and not let the survivor physically run out the hard-earned exit gate with how common all the tunneling and slugging OP killers are.

It’s not hard to just push them out. Survivors can abandon because it doesn’t affect you at all. If killer abandons, the game is over for everybody. It makes sense to me.

The main Problem is the unbalance in who can dc at which point.

Don´t understand me wrong, if all Survivors are hooked or slugged it is totaly fine.

But in the last time I get the abbandon Button if I get picked up in the middle of the game?

Survivors wait at the exit gate to heal other survivors who are still running there. They might be trying to get more BPs because late heals offer a bonus over regular heals. They could also be trying to take a protection hit for another survivor, which also gives them BPs. They could also be wanting to run down the clock so they can squeeze out more XP, since XP is tied to time in the match. They could also be wanting to trigger a basic attack from the killer that'll miss when they exit, since there are quite a few BS Tome challenges where you need to avoid basic attacks as a survivor.

There's a multitude of reasons why survivors wait at the exit gates. If your ego is so fragile that you don't want to walk over to the exit gate and push the survivors out because they might hit their Ctrl button… this might not be the game for you.

Have you tried Animal Crossing or Mario Kart?

I wouldn't mind killer being able to abandon under certain circumstances during the EGC when a game is clearly over, would save a lot of time and frustration. The feature is there to let people leave a match when it is decisively over with no way to recover, right? I'd say all four survivors being right at the exit gate and the killer having zero way to stop them from escaping anymore fits the bill perfectly for that condition.

Sure a killer can push the survivors out, but why should they have to, the game is effectively over and there's absolutely nothing the killer can do to win, so why not let them abandon instead of jumping through this weird time wasting ritual of hitting people that are tbagging an inch from the escape zone, potentially on two different gates? If the killer wants to show up and nod and hit you so you leave they can do that, letting them abandon would just be an option for people that aren't interested in doing that.

But if killer were to be able to abandon during EGC in some circumstances, I don't think the trial should immediately end because that can mess with things like gate escapes, adepts, hatch challenges, etc for the survivors. Instead the killer character should stop and go AFK and loses collision, and survivors can see an icon that the killer has abandoned.

The only excuse for staying at gates is when you're solo and you're not sure if your teammates are safe in the other exit gate area yet. I would like it is survivors could see each others auras if they were all in exit gate zones, even across the map. Or they had some icon that indicated that they were in the exit gate zone. Something like that to make it easier to see if everyone is safe so you can leave.

Yup till this day I still never saw a good argument as to why the killer cant abandon when gates are powered/EGC starts. People try with the "you can push them out" but ignore the fact it is practically over. Lets at least apply the logic from the slug/hooked abandon feature to killers a bit.

I don't think that's the point they're making. The point is that the condition will eventually be met where you leave the trial. I wouldn't have used bleeding out as the comparison personally because it's pretty loaded here but...

The game will end in both situations with a high likelihood of you losing, so what's wrong with just hurrying that last bit along in a way that saves some face, so to speak?

"You can just force them out of the gate."

True, but the killer doesn't want to do that, and shouldn't HAVE to.

"You might still have a chance for a kill."

True, but the killer doesn't want to do that, AND SHOULDN'T HAVE TO.

It's not like killers aren't aware of these facts. You're not giving anyone new information. Think about that. We all know that "We have Abandon at home." but we're looking for ways to improve upon that, and I think a lot of you fundamentally misunderstand what is being asked for.

>Because the "likelihood of losing" is very different, and in some cases highly subjective.

Absolutely. Sometimes a killer can pull off a comeback, sometimes survivors can too but it requires either teamwork or a perk being in play but that's also sidestepping the point.

>There have been posts about this before, with people unironically asking for "killer would be able to abandon if a gen is completed before a hook". Or just simply "the killer should be able to dc without penalty at any time for any reason"

Oh I don't doubt it, but I haven't made those points, I wouldn't because that's too far in the opposite direction re. what is or isn't fair game for abandoning.

The point is if a player is in a situation in which they feel they have absolutely lost the game and the only thing left is either bleeding out, watching an animation or in the case being discussed, watching other people walk out the door, is there really any harm in conceding?

The only issue I can actually see coming from this is whether or not it counts as an escape for the survivor.

To be honest, I find myself agreeing with your last point re. not liking the option for abandon at all but yeah, the floodgates have been opened.

The point I'll make re. tunneling is that, generally, the game is over relatively quickly, at least for the person being tunneled so an option for abandoning then doesn't really make sense. For the other three survivors, however, I could accept them getting the option to abandon. As many people have said here, the game is basically over when it's a 3v1 in the early game. But then we open the doors to other early(ish) game abandon options like the early 3/4 gen pops before 1st hook, etc.

I know that was a bit of a ramble, sorry about that, but I think it illustrates what we all know- the abandon mechanic as a whole is yet another band aid over fundamental issues DbD has and more specifically how DbD is played. Not to change the topic of the thread too much but we know some of these pain points we've discussed are on BHVR's radar, when changes come and how effective they'll be is yet to be seen but at least those issues have been acknowledged and not just dismissed. With this though? There's nothing they really can do to stop people BMing or otherwise drawing a game out longer than it needs to, especially when there are legitimate circumstances where someone might be doing it unknowingly.

My personal solution to the original thread was to go and make a cup of tea when I found myself in that position. I was flagged as AFK and lost a grade after the "go-next prevention" got reimplemented, funnily enough.

The only issue I can actually see coming from this is whether or not it counts as an escape for the survivor.

Things don't go into a game without work.

If we could snap our fingers and just make it happen, sure. But anything that goes in needs to be coded, tested, and, especially knowing BHVR, opens up a huge possibility for bugs.

So how much good does it do to add an abandon system where the survivors could easily circumvent it if they want to BM and the killer currently has a way to minimize the problem? To me, if I actually knew how long it would take for BHVR to code, if it was anything more than an extremely minimal amount of time I'd think it would just be a waste.

• The "abandon" button is only granted to survivors when three other survivors are in DC, or when they're all slugged and objectively have no choice but to wait for the killer to put them on the hook. The "abandon" button is not granted to survivors when (for example) there are four generators to complete, one dead teammate, and the remaining ones are on the death hook... according to the game, you can still do something while you're standing, but we all know it's literally impossible for everyone to escape; two must die and the other must hope for the hatch (if the killer doesn't slug). The philosophy of the game is "as long as you can make game moves, you cannot DC and you are not entitled to the abandon button". Even in the worst matches, with the most toxic and "t-bag" survivors in all of DBD, the killer can still hope for a kill, literally nothing is stopping him from doing so. If you go to YouTube and watch any compilation of funny DBD videos... you'll see tons of videos of toxic survivors getting killed at the exit gate. The abandon button for survivors is not a "gift", it's just mercy from the Devs to not waste their time (when slugged)

That's arguably a different situation. The EGC is a normal phase of a match that is intended to happen (provided a 4k doesn't happen beforehand). 10 minutes of the game not progressing isn't the same as 2 minutes of end game collapse which is inherently the game progressing.

Also, consider that the 10 minute, no activity abandon feature is partially there to prevent stalemates from dragging on into hour long matches. It would kind of defeat the point if it didn't end the match in that instance.

Healing,"protection hits" and whiffed m1s at gates dont provide any gameplay value or meaningfull skill expression,basically you want killers to unconsensually waste their time on meaningless "interactions" or straight up bm and be cool about it?