Lost grades 3x today...

I’m claiming you don’t know enough about QA testing to draw solid conclusions out of your one example.

Just because you personally can’t think of other variables that might be involved, doesn’t mean there were zero other variables involved. It might be the short game time AND one or more other variables combined, that causes the warning. With this logic, the “one of more variables” would not cause a warning by themselves, but would only cause a warning in combination to the short game time variable.

We’re not even sure if each game is being evaluated separately, or if Go Next builds a profile on a player based upon previous games.

Because if the issue was happening frequently enough to be a problem, we would have a lot of video evidence of it already. Just like how we had video evidence of Go Next being overtuned before the nerfs.

The benefits of the Go Next system existing, far outweighs the EXTREMELY rare complaints of false positives. And most of the time it didn’t even end in a penalty because Go Next requires multiple flagged games for a penalty to happen.

I certainly don't appreciate you trying to get an entire part of Go Next to be fully reverted, even though Go Next helps the game way more often than it has false positives.

Survivor ragequitting is a major game problem, and it deserves Go Next to be fully functional. If Go Next is having false positives, the proper solution is to try to identify why the false positives occurred, to try to reduce the number of false positives in the future. It doesn't make sense to say "oh, I personally saw 1 false positive, so let's just scrap the entire auto-penalty feature instead of trying to improve it".

I don't know about you but I'm not seeing anyone going next in my matches.

I'm actually kinda surprised you don't. If I play 10 killer matches in a session, two or three will always have people trying to get me to kill them, particularly the one that was hooked first, or if I get three or more hooks before a gen gets done. I had a match recently where someone brought a luck offering and my first two hookings went second stage trying to kill themselves. That sort of thing isn't a rare occurrence for me.

But that highlights another point. If it happens that much in my matches, yet the warning rate appears to be low, the system doesn't work. And that's because—as just about everyone has deduced—it's time based. I usually swerve on people trying to die, at least until I get tired of them spamming lockers, pallet slamming, or chashing me around the map. I don't tunnel, so they're not dying a minute into the match, yet they're still sandbagging and trying to go next.

I guess I just get the deranged ones, though I probably get more suicide attempts than DCs. It happened to me at least twice in my session two days ago and I was Wraith.

I'd rather people DC than throw the match though. Bots at least try. Had a recent survivor match where someone DCed after a double hook and it ended up a 4-out. Even the bot got to leave. We might not have made it if they'd just killed themselves.

I mean, I usually do see more DCs than that - it was just kind of weird because it was so few and it was with Krasue.

There wasn't a single false positive on the PTB - a false positive would be if generators were blocked from regression if a killer killed a survivor at 9 hooks or if it mistakenly gave endurance to someone other than the person just unhooked. No, it did what the patch notes said it was going to do. If you're going to complain about what the change was called then AFK crows would like to have a word with you.

Still waiting on your video evidence that there's a go next epidemic right now. Or does that not matter when it comes to your assertions?

There were lots of false positive on the PTB. Killers were constantly being punished even when they weren't doing problematic behavior.

And you still haven't said if you think BHVR should improve the auto-penalty mechanic, or completely get rid of the auto-penalty mechanic.

It has been OVER TWO FULL MONTHS, and we still haven't seen recent video evidence for Go Next punishing people incorrectly. At some point, people really should admit it's not really happening often at all.

I would think you of all people, the champion of believing everyone has a sleazy ulterior motive, would embrace the idea that people are going onto something as potentially important and performative as the ptb with the express intent of shifting the narrative in the direction they want it to go. And again, the devs could have 1) let it go on for more than two days and then 2) modified it based on what they'd learned. All people asked for in regards to Krasue was less clunky head control and they buffed her into braindead invincibility, probably because not enough streamers were getting their easy 4Ks with her. And now we have another despised, overturned killler. Tell me how these two things make sense.

If they can properly revise it, why wouldn't I want that? It doesn't benefit me having my teammates suicide out, nor do I enjoy hopeless opponents running up to me to die. I'm also pretty tired of giving the remaining players hatch/gates because they had a deranged teammate and now I feel bad. But I don't see how you can make it identify genuine go-next behavior. People should never be punished for doing poorly, and they never, ever should be punished for someone else's behavior. If that's what you want, then the killer can get the same penalty for tunneling them out in two minutes. That's a choice they made, unlike an unfairly punished player.

I anxiously await the system that can clearly and accurately detect everyone's intentions and reasonings. Why not just fix the reasons that people go next instead of trying to relentlessly trap them in matches that leave them feeling hopeless?

If we're comparing phase 2 to go-next then I guess they can just shut it down until they fix it then, can't they?

Who are you even shaking your fist at here? Where's this secret cabal of sinister serial quitters? And how do you know people's reasons? Has everyone who's ever left your matches filled out a survey for you?

Just say it. Say you're okay with flawed systems that hurt survivors but not ones that hurt killers. If it's okay to have a system that sometimes punishes the wrong people then pushing the anti-tunnel to live and correcting it at some obscure furure date shouldn't have been a problem for you. It must be worth it to punish those few innocents in order to get the real culprits, as that's been your whole argument.

I had the same thought, but what if it's like getting reported for cheating? One or two people reporting you for cheating will not cause any flags, but getting mass reported in different matches by different players will. What if you are someone who constantly engages in unsportsmanlike behavior and the community reports you for your antics? I never got feedback on anyone I reported for trolling/griefing, so maybe degradation is a form of punishment. When I report blatant cheaters who I see teleporting all around the map with the perk Bond, I always get a message within 24-48 hours letting me know punishment was dished out. That tells me other players reported that person for cheating, as well.