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Who Is The Most Balanced Killer?
As the title implies. I've been thinking about who the most balanced killer overall would be, and I'm curious what the rest of the forum community thinks- though I do personally have an answer, so let me make the case for that too, just to keep things interesting.
To me, "the most balanced overall" should be a question that considers multiple angles before answering. The killer would need to be strong, or at the very least not weak, but they'd also need to have their strengths be in fair and balanced areas, they'd need to have a well designed kit, they'd ideally have a good addon spread, be good on most maps, have high perk variety…
With all those criteria, my answer is Wraith. He's a very solid killer, not weak and not overwhelmingly powerful, everything he does is reasonably honest and he doesn't have much unfair cheese, his addons are very good overall, he isn't tremendously map dependant (for the most part if Wraith struggles on a map, every killer bar Nurse does), he's an M1 killer with a balanced design so most perks work on him…
Wraith's a good model for what a balanced killer would look like, in my opinion.
I'm curious, though- what do you guys think?
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Oni
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Interesting pick- what makes you say Oni in particular?
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Probably Wesker.
I think Wraith is the best Killer for new players, however.
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I hate Oni with a passion, but I guess that is more thanks to the players, and not anything inherently bad with his design.
As for my pick for balanced killers, I would actually say Wesker.
For the longest time, Demogorgon was seen as the most fair and balanced killer, but with the power creep in the game, Wesker seems to have taken this spot. He is like Demo+ if that makes sense.
He has clear counterplay, and a power that is both fun to master, and to play against. Dodging that dash and sending him flying through a window is one of the most satisfying things as a survivor playing against him.2 -
He is above average but his way to aquire the power is balanced, he must get blood and without his power he is just m1 but when he gets it he gets god mode for 45 seconds.
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Billy.
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Springtrap
Has the map mobility and chase power to afford going for non tunnelling/slugging playstyles but survivors still have a chance to dodge his attacks and anticipate his approach4 -
With bug fixes hopefully coming in the November PTB, I'd say Houndmaster is by far the most fair killer in the game. Her kit at least imo is fun to use and play against, while mot being overly powerful and too easily countered by survivor mechanics and strategies.
I'll add that most low A tier killers are fair, like Wesker, arguably Myers with his new buffs, Huntress, Lich, Chucky.
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Wesker for sure he is fair.
Wraith is good only with addons because without them you cant make mistakes or you are super weak and punishable like lower c-tier killer (tbh I would like for him to have like some percentage from shadow addons in his basekit when he is cloaked slightly faster breaking and vault speed and than something he had but devs took it many years ago and thats seeing blood breighter just like draculas wolf form because wraith is just tracking killer too by his old perks).
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Balanced would mean the killer is pretty decent but still allows some counterplay which is not too insane. Balanced always means balanced for both sides.
In that regard: I would probably choose Wesker, Demogorgon and maybe Pyramid Head. Wraith is not a bad choice neither.
They can all be strong in the right hands, but will never be completely overtuned like some other killers are.
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Demo was the description of balanced killer, not too strong but not weak but now he is way behind his shread has long breaking speed compare to what it offers, his shread can be countered by just crounching which is crouch tech and it effects billy,blight but demogorgan is weakest killer it effects and cant deal with that easily, his portals are way outdated especialy if we compare them with springtraps portals like 5 seconds oblivious with global sound when he is teleporting is compleate joke not to mention his addons where are like two for his shread and rest is for his teleports which only two are good and usable (like the aura reveal iri one that got nerfed but its still his best for teleport). So demo is just outdated hard mostly his teleports in effects like ability to overwrite teleport when you used them all, oblivious effect after teleport is joke, detection zone around his tp could be little bigger and his shread cooldown after breaking pallet could be little shorter. Last bs thing on demo is when you charge shread and fall just from hill or even two steps your shread resets meaning other killers can charge power then drop and use it but demo kinda cant which sucks.
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He's easily B-tier. Excellent map pressure, good traversal, decent anti-loop and good utility.
He teaches newer players all of the important fundamentals whilst also not handicapping them in any way.
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Artist. She's the 13th strongest killer in the game by my estimations - much higher than a "Balanced" killer rating should be (you'd expect 20th or 21st in a 41-killer roster) but I do think she's basically perfect since release and doesn't need any changes.
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Who you mean wraith or wesker, I think you mean wraith which he is b-tier but now wesker is more close to high b-tier if you cant pull all these instahugs and other strong techs he is no that strong as people think.
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My pick would be pyramid head. His anti loop is purely a mentality thing as it doesnt matter too much if you step in the stuff, his ranged attack requires skill and timing, yet can also be baited/dodged and is coreographed enough to know what hes doing as a survivor. His addons though recently changed none of them make him that much more powerful than he used to be and now he cant tunnel as easily out of cages either.
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Yes, I mean Wraith.
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Maybe for survivors to one change I would do to her and thats that survivor has to spent some more time in locker before all the birds from swarm will dissapear and not just jump into locker and jump out and birds will be instantly gone, this is kinda bad because survivors across the map in places like shack on gen arent effected at all and it hinders killer for no reason so normaly you get rid of birds like in what 8-10 seconds and in that time if she spawned one she can then in that time try for second hit and than the chance is gone (like unknown but unlike him she can have better options because she can hit you easier throught the walls and can spawn 3 birds to cover more ground) so like to be 5 seconds in locker for birds to fully dissapear.
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Definitely has to be wesker. Can beat even good SWFs but generally not oppressive unless survivors mess up really bad. Beats the prerun meta somewhat. Can play most loops. Even in his worst maps, his power is still usable. Has a lot of skill expression. You can easily tell a new wesker from an experienced one. Gives options both for the survivors and the killer player. Satisfying to play and does not force any strict playstyle. No OP addons.
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Build up power that actually strong. You don’t have strong ability from the start, you have to earn it. First chase on him is crucial, and I enjoy to play against him as survivor. He also emphasis what I actually enjoy in this game as survivor - macro play. Split up and carefulness, and he can’t actually slug that much as people in lobbies usually depict him. And you can kinda loop his ability until killer on him didn't master flicks and camera rotation. For me he is the middle of casualty and competitive, where I also find myself.
So… in terms of interaction, if players from both sides on same level of understanding this game and killer itself, he provides both challenge and enjoyment for me
For me balanced killers are either having build up kinda power or strong chase but bad map pressure, however emphasising it's control. I don't really enjoy killers with free mobility, beside Billy and Onryo, because for me it usually does the half of map pressure instead of player. But if mobility provided with specific conditions, I might find it “balanced” in my terms
I would say phead, but since they removed notifications for cages for some reason, he doesn't have any info like normal killer which is ridiculous for me considering his absence of mobility lol. And I know I have huge bias for him by maining, so provided other examples
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Wesker, Nemesis, Wraith, Demo
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I can’t find killer with ton of bugs balanced. Maybe he is fun for me, but balanced implying predictable power for me, mid/high skill floor and same ceiling. Wesker lacks of predictability a lot. Not like Nurse because her power works like this. Just because this game is meh
But personally for me players never spoiled impression on killer itself. Sure, some stereotypes like tunnelling Blight/Nemesis/phead or casual Springtrap/Ghoul, slugging Oni/Twins is applicable, but even if player against me following this stereotype, it still doesn't touch my personal impression on player. It's a game, I kinda can make a difference. People play how they want, until it’s not BMing and DCing or not having strong expectations for others I find it tolerable
People playstyle doesn't bother me until it's my teammates throwing the match by some move. But even there I don’t really judge a lot. Meg is just Meg, Kate is just Kate, Sable just Sable, so I don’t support bias. Maybe build bias only, because killers meta is so limited and I can smell this damn bbq on Blight or iri remote on Sadako
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Nurse and blight?
If swf is what solo needs to be buffed towards, then the ideal killer level is where the strong killers who match swf are.
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Unknown seems to be in a pretty balanced state
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Might be a hot take but Demogorgon. He is exactly where he needs to be in what he can do imo. Nothing wrong with a fun b tier killer thats both fun to play as or go against.
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- Wesker: it's a "strong" but not oppressive power, it has good (but not exceptional) mobility and the survivors can (with skill and not just "luck" like nurse) work hard to avoid his M2
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Executioner is a good killer to play. Good power and fair to go against.
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Those saying Wesker, are you including his hug tech thing?
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To killer mains - Blight.
To survivor mains - perkless trapper.
To me? Probably Xeno, Huntress, Unknown, Houndmaster etc.
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Balanced around what? Around really good players? Blight, Billy.
Around average pub level? Vecna, Houndmaster, Wesker.
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I would say the Unknown. Requires two shots with his ability to count as a hit. Hallucinations can be easily dispelled by survivors disabling his mobility but also allows their aura to be revealed and causes weakness if they mess up. To be considered as balanced, I believe all killers need to have a give and take that allows for fair counterplay for survivors.
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Wesker probably. He's strong, but requires a decent amount of skill and even then he isn't insurmountable in chase.
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Okay, when I saw the title I thought this meant balanced across all MMRs. Basically which killer is likely to retain the same kill rate regardless of the MMR you look at.
On that criteria, probably Wesker. Oni is pretty weak for a new killer player, Wraith too strong for a new killer player and too weak later.
Other thoughts - Huntress, Dredge, Demo
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I’d probably agree with most people on Wesker. Strong but fair.
A tier is generally where I’d see the most balanced killers at. S tiers usually lack enough counter play and anything B tier any below have too much counter play. A tier is usually the sweet spot for strong but not too strong.
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I wouldn't necessarily look at kill rate at all here, personally speaking, it's too misleading. Look at Nurse- strongest killer in the game, but her kill rate fluctuates a lot.
What I'd look at more is general design, what tools does the killer have and how can they be reliably applied for consistent results across a number of variables- so skill level/MMR would be one, but also across different maps, at different tiles, how much variety in addon choice and perk choice, that sort of thing.
"Most balanced" to me should imply a level of flexibility, or at the very least a static set of upsides/downsides that don't vary too much due to things outside your control.It's why I pick Wraith, I think he has one of the most stable, consistent, fair/honest and balanced kits in the game with a good amount of flexibility. Wesker's not a bad shout though, he's a good pick too and pretty popular.
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