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Any game where a survivor presses the abandon button, doesn’t count for MMR
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The official page should just be shut down then, if it's completely wrong. The only visuals we have to give examples and prove points are these stats that might be extremely inaccurate. And they'd only be falsely inflating the egos of survivors who hit abandon all the time.
But they specifically mentioned MMR in the response and that's way more worrying. The matchmaking will never be anything better than a disaster if you can just abandon and delete your losses.
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Not to gloat or be a d*ck, but it's almost as if abandoning is worse for the game than going next.
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the reason why survivors dont lose mmr for pressing the abandon button is because they dont want to encourage killers to slug more to force abandons so its neutral.
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For a four-man slugfest, sure, but that's not the norm for the abandon feature's use. If you're in a normal, non-sluggy match, two people are left, one is on hook, and the other gets downed, they can immediately both abandon, as is the case in most of my matches. And if there's just one left, they can abandon during the mori. Those are hard losses. They should count as such. If not, a massive chunk of survivor deaths are being thrown out.
Looking at my last matches—which there were seven of—there are 6 abandons, all of them the last person to die. And weirdly, two escape that I'm positive were kills. I recall the matches. This is one of them:
It was a 4k, but for some mysterious reason Leon shows as escaped. The Mikaela was a genuine DC. Claudette was the last to die. Is that three free passes for them, for no reason? If 25% or more of my opponents receive get-out-of-jail free cards for being the last one or two to die, that's a massive problem with the numbers and the MMR and makes zero sense.
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If they're counted as deaths then the official killrate will go up. And we'd be in the same situation as today with people asking about the accuracy, especially since we know kill rates influence balance changes. I think they should fix the personal stats with a different visual for abandons (instead of an escape) so people feel more confident with their stats. That one should be easy enough.
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Not to say you're wrong on BHVR's thinking, because it has been incredibly confusing, but:
MMR is secret. BHVR has said in the past they don't want MMR to be a motivating factor in player decisions. And if they wanted it to work this way to discourage killer playstyles, then for it to have any effect they would need to publicly disclose it.
Not to mention plenty of killers would be happy to keep their MMR from skyrocketing which makes this an incentive, not a deterrent.
We saw this with the brief strategy of 'hold the survivor for 10 minutes than abandon to win'. Who cares if it secretly is counted as a loss if it shows all the survivors dying and giving a 4k?
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i agree which is how they messed up with the abandon feature. it should have been to help survivors get out of the match when all are slugged but the abandon option then went further to last survivor downed can abandon and now its gone further again with being downed and recovered twice people can abandon. it keeps getting worse every time they add a new abandon criteria
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But if you abandon during a mori or on the hook, you did, in fact, die, you just left before the animation went through. If those are being counted as non-deaths, than the game is even more unbalanced than we think in favor of killers. The question (that no one is showing up to answer) is whether or not this goes beyond personal stats into official numbers and MMR.
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If using a key or map to view auras caused the match to no longer be counted in stats or used for MMR calculations the solution wouldn't be to remove keys or maps.
Just fix the bug.
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so killers could try to force abandon by downing people twice? why hook or slug when they could just do that to pick up the win? its not just the bug that needs fixing its the abandon option as a whole that needs fixing
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Then i suppose they could count games with one abandon as a kill? I dont agree with DCs counting as kills though. I think that would be detrimental to killers and game balancing.
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That's a completely different situation you're lumping in because you just don't like the abandon system. Forcing survivors to abandon doesn't end the match - it just replaces them with bots. Do you think downing each survivor twice, banking on them abandoning, and then downing their bot alter-egos again for hooking is easier than just playing the game normally?
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yes 100% easier…dont have to deal with hooks or hook stages and only need to do it to 1 or 2 survivors to get a bot then its easy street because bots are useless. when theres a couple of bots in the match its pretty much game over unless the killer seriously misplays it. i say this as survivor and killer, i know how easy it is to kill bots. faster they become bots easier it is
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You already had to down the survivors twice anyway to get to where they even could abandon. You already expended most of the effort you would have had to if you had just played normally. Now you want to tack on additional effort to have to down bots all over again. Doesn't matter how easy it is - it's additional effort. Plus, all on a gamble - you have no idea if the survivors will actually abandon. If they don't, you've wasted your entire match with zero hooks. You lose.
If you think that makes for a faster or easier match than playing like a normal person then you're just wrong. That has nothing to do with this thread though.
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Do DCs not count as kills for the killer personally or just for that survivor? I always thought they did count as deaths. So if you DC right before dying you can dodge a death? That's incentiving DCs. I just don't understand why a loss isn't a loss. It's seems simple to me. If those are the true numbers, they needed to be counted. If you can press a button for free hatch why even bother trying to play in end game?
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iv had 3 matches tonight so far where a killer slugged people, either went for whole team slugging (which failed due to people recovering team mates) or left the slug to chase another person (the slug gets recovered) next time they are downed every single one that had the abandon option turned to bots. its almost a sure bet when the option comes up people will use it especially if its against a killer they dont like, and the kicker is the abandon option stays an option the whole match so even if they dont abandon straight away they can still use this to abandon at a later point whenever they want if the match isnt going their way. last 2 survivors, 3 or 3 gens left, not looking good but they can abandon because the were recovered more than once. if tunneling was ever removed, this would be the next go to strat. slug and bank on boring survivors into abandoning.
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It'd be good to get clarification from the devs on this, but they've said in the past that games where someone DCs are voided. So I would assume that killing the resulting bot would not be considered an official kill. The game is just a wash basically. This makes sense if you consider how often people used to DC against Nurse, yet her official killrates have never been crazy high. I don't think it incentivises DCs because there's always been downsides, such as DC penalties, plus the survivor also voids and wastes their own game - they lose bp, emblems, no MMR gains, loss of grades, etc. So it's always in someone's best interest to not DC.
This is also likely why abandons apparently aren't counted either, because it's likely just a blanket setting that killing a bot does not affect MMR at all. We also know that MMR gains and losses are also effected by the MMR level of your opponent - you get more gains for killing someone in a higher bracket than you do for killing someone in a lower bracket, for example - and since bots don't have personal MMRs, the system has no means of determining gains or losses.
Ill add that I'm not a developer or have any understanding of this stuff, my posts are purely just based on info the devs have shared in the past.
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Played a match recently and got a 4k but everyone left while i was mori'ing them and i only got 1 gold emblem i thought that was super weird i quitted for the night after that no clue if they did it intentionally or not but i dont think they did
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Quite impressive stats for dredge @cogsturning
OFFTOPIC:
Do you mind sharing few builds you use on her? I am dredge player myself and looking for good/cool builds right now.
I really believe abandonned matches should count IF people have the option to abandon. We need to fix that on stats page
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I dont really care who dcs or if my mmr goes up or down. I still get bloodpoints all the same
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According to the patch notes, the only survivor abandon scenario that is supposed to count as a kill, is a survivor using the abandon button when all the remaining survivors are in the dying state.
This means the abandon button isn’t supposed to care about the number of survivors that abandoned, and instead is suppose to care about which scenario gave them the abandon button.
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games where I'm killer lol
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If a match is voided from a DC or an abandon, that should be loudly and publicly known to everyone. Like there should be a message on the leaderboard. There's your anti-tunnel right there. The survivors can use DCs as a threat to cut off an opponents progress if the killer is acting out. Same with egerious slugging and abandons. Though I'd much rather have something built into the game than a secret punishment system.
I've been using a variation of the same build on everyone with good results:
Franklin's and Weave for aura read. Lightborn becuase I always use it. You can switch it, but people generally assume someone running Franklin's isn't running Lightborn so I get a ton of hits that way. The fourth is either Thanatophobia or Forced Hesitation. For Dredge, it's usually Thanatophobia, but Forced combined with the aura read from the Weave is also fantatsic, becuase a Franklin's-discarded medkit laying near a recent down shows you a potential savior hiding nearby and Forced makes them too slow to react to you. For add-ons, the recorder usually gets me an early game down, and the microphone let's me get a read on people's general directions by just doing a quick triple teleport to whichever nearby lockers.
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Scott Jund recently showed his escape rate in a video. I compared it to his vods since his last 30 days is only a couple days of survivor. The only way to make the escape rate match his site was to treat the abandons as DCs, which will inflate the escape rate you are shown. The more you abandon the more inflated it will be.
Data, apologies for poor format i am no datasheet wizard
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQ7C_WqGX6Z4unBAFCwSGEiENsUfIFNKFley6ylwqj5vWNGoymqnRcH1NPfBLe-k_zB_InVa92yhoGB/pubhtmlBreakdown, you can ignore the second half unless your interested in how his Solo Queue compares to his Duo Queue (no comms)
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They do though, every time they release official stats it says that games with DCs aren't included
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Then, considering the amount of DCs people say they see in their soloq matches, that's going to be a sizable chunk of the data being tossed out. And the matches that have DCs (at least when I play) are usually the ones where survivors are losing. Killer DCs are much rarer. So kill rates are likely deflated while survival rates are inflated. That means not a single number is an accurate reflection. Not the official stats, not the personal stats, not the secret MMR. Why even have these numbers available if they're all wonky?
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Yeah this sounds like terrible design. This would completely destroy the accuracy of the data.
So if when the last survivor abandons as soon as I down them ALL of those games are thrown out for mmr? That's nearly every single match now since the abandon system is basically a "go next faster" button. No one hardly ever waits the end out anymore. This would make my mmr basically never move, even if I'm winning.
Also if you abandon as killer after it's only bots left because they all abandoned, it shows them as escaping in end game screen. So on DBD data these would all be "losses" unless I finish out every game against bots?
This abandon system is a mess.
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Yea, except the game has already been thrown out, so it's not a loss? I think?
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If you don't use the abandon button or DC, I guess your personal stats are accurate? The global stats don't seem to be, though, if that much data is tossed, and the silence on this post is indeed deafening.
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we have no idea lol
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I think someone would need to test if the abandon button throws out the game for everyone.
Example 1: Survivor A gets sacrificed, then Survivor B abandons the game. Does the game get thrown out for Survivor A?
Example 2: Killer sacrifices 4 survivors, but the 4th survivor abandons before being sacrificed. Does the game get thrown out for Killer A?
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I just started doing this as killler yesterday. I'm writing down my matches and how many abandons and DCs occur, along with match outcome. Then I'll compare them to my 30 day stats after that amount of time passes. I'm also noting these random escapes that's were abandons showing up on recent match history. Those I'm really curious about their impact on my own stats. There's no apparent rhyme or reason for them either, except that if two people abandon, one gets the escape icon and one gets th DC one.
My stats change everyday despite there being either an abandon or a DC (or both) in every match, so I think personal stats for killers are mostly unaffected. But I have no idea about my MMR.
I'd like to try the experiment using abandon as survivor but I don't know if I want to screw up my stats. Not using the abandon and not DCing probably makes me rare amongst accurate stat holders. I don't want vanity stats.
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The survivor scenario could be done in a much more boring way, where the survivor continues watching games after they are sacrificed, to see if one of their teammates abandons the game afterwards.
But the easiest way is having a SWF test it, to guarantee multiple survivors are trying to press the abandon button.
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I'm already spectating in parties so this is no problem, but I feel like it won't effect my rate unless I'm the one to press it. Otherwise, I'd have a better rate than I do. I already write down my survivor matches so I could just see if my official rates match my notes. I just never bothered.
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I agree with op. I'm survivor main and if a killer sweats and earns a good 4k just for it not to count in MMR that's bs. Keep the abandon feature but don't throw the whole game out.
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